All politicians are “ass-kissing fucks” beholden to the whim of the voters. And guess what? Voters in those areas think a lot different than you, so of course those politicians will kiss the asses of their voter base, and not the ass of someone who lives in a very different part of the country (culturally and geographically).
You have fallen for clickbait headlines, devolved into hyperbole, and continue to fall for partisan alarmism because you want to believe that the progressive liberalism you so disagree with is causing an apocalypse in Seattle and Minneapolis. Spoiler… its not.
I would guess that the majority of them want a police department. No cops is a bourgeoisie idea, not a poor people one.
Antifa is not their voter base. They are trying to sell something to people who were not interested in buying it until they brought it up. The real question is: what’s in it for them? Somewhere they see money to be made. Because, if they real cared about policing and the poor, they would have done something about it already.
The majority do want a PD, and the very large majority have one and will continue having one. I think you are only considering the most extreme outcome, instead of the countless much more likely policy changes that will result in keeping a PD in some form and capacity.
Antifa is not their voter base. And those are not the assess they are kissing. They are kissing the assess of residents who (at least in Seattle) are overwhelmingly progressively liberal.
I see no apocalypse in the near or distant future happening here. And i do not think you have a better feel for it from a few thousand miles away (both geographically and culturally). You are falling for scare tactics from a media that has largely devolved into clickbait culture meant to drive revenue.
“Chicago reminds me of my time in Somalia. Each day decent people would try to survive on a dollar a day (if lucky) , try to find any type of food and the women would walk miles to find water for their children. At night, they would hide like rats, trying to avoid gangs of savages who first raped you, raped your children ,and then shot you to death, (if you were lucky). There was no government and the police were no existent, that is if could find one that was not on the Warlords payroll. I see no difference in Chicago”
They aren’t the base but they are kissing their asses. The media still sees Antifa as heroes fighting fascism. It doesn’t make sense but the left gives the margins the most attention. It’s like cancel culture; two people on Twitter have the power of millions.
IDK, most of the folks i know that are on the very far left, attend rallies etc, see Antifa as the antidote to the Proudboyz, etc. More of an “enemy of my enemy is my friend” type situation than a “we support Antifa” situation. Antifa is still a very small minority, and they dont really have an agenda (other than fighting facism with facist tactics?). CHAZ is still around because seattle leaders did the math and realized that the citizens in the CHAZ area are not asking for help (by and large), it has not turned into a clusterfuck, but if they go in with force to disband it, people WILL die (both cops and anacrchists/Antifa). Its not worth it at this time. The calculus involved is always changing though, and the situation is fluid.
Totally agree on the media thing. Ratings and storylines curated for clicks over accurate journalism with perspective. which is why so much of america thinks Antifa is powerful, Seattle is going to eliminate all laws, every crime is a hate crime, republicans can do no right, and Covid is a conspiracy.
I disagree. I think its a club in which angsty anarchists can live out their fantasy in the company of others, because doing so alone would be very too scary. I dont really see much, if any at all, political motivation at play with Antifa.
Just read In the Garden of the Beasts.
It is the run up to Hitler consolidating all of the power of Germany to himself, from the standpoint of the American Ambassador of the time.
For several years, the people kept questioning how it could be happening to them and in that day and age. But few did much to slow it down.
Being cognizant of and standing against hooligans early on, should be an easy lesson for any civilized people.
I don’t question that there are a few nuts around. More concerning is the substantial support given to these nuts by the average man.
It’s a bunch of people that have a deep frustration with the real world. They were not raised to have a boss or face criticism. They did not have to follow a set of rules, procedures or policies. They never had to meet certain expectations. They never competed let alone lost. They think Marxism and free shit is the answer to an unfair world.
You don’t know? You seem to know an awful lot about them but you don’t know about this? Way to be informed about this club of angsty anarchists living out their fantasy…
Any word on how that 14 yr old who got shot up in CHOP is doing?
Nope, i cannot speak the motivations of each person who considers themselves a member of Antifa. I would guess they do fantasize about hitting skinheads with bikelocks, and vandalizing property though.
The 14 year old kid who got shot near the CHOP is hospitalized and hopefully doing well.
No, it is not hyperbole, this is what I have personally seen. Ever been on the South side of Chicago? I have, I have seen the bodies and the people living in fear from gangs and drug cartels. There are parts of the south side that are worst than the territories controlled by the drug cartels. I don’t write political hyperbole, I write from what I have experienced. Children dead from from being caught in crossfires is no different from Somalia or Chicago. Dead is dead.
While the Chicago City Administration waxes and wanes and provides platitudes to the media, they do nothing about the violence. Wanting to stop the useless, criminal violence in Chicago or whatever city you choose, is not hyperbole. No one living in America should have to live with this incompetence.
I was robbed at gunpoint in Hegwisch in 1999, the first time I understood what it means to be helpless.
Leadership in that city has made a long con out of blaming outside forces for the outcomes in the city, but that’s running out on them. They can only blame “the other” for so long before people realize that there hasn’t been an “other” with any power in Cook County for generations. You voted for generations of Democrat machine politics, you got it.
At some point you reach a point where you have to realize that bad decisions have been made to get you where you are at today, but the leadership of Chicago isn’t there yet, nor is the voter base.
For now, the argument still seems to be… If only we would ban and confiscate all of the guns on planet Earth, you’d be able to see how good the policies of Chicago Democrats really are. Firearm availability in Indiana and other places without Chicago’s problem of rampant violence is to blame for Chicago’s rampant violence.
“Each day decent people would try to survive on a dollar a day (if lucky) , try to find any type of food" Just like Chicago.
“the women would walk miles to find water for their children.” Just like Chicago.
There was no government and the police were non existent, that is if could find one that was not on the Warlords payroll. Just like Chicago.
You dont see the hyperbole and/or exaggeration in what you posted? No one is arguing that Chicago doesn’t have serious issues, or that poverty and violence are at totally unacceptable levels there.
I can assure you, many people’s existence on the streets and neighborhoods of Chicago revolves around this level of problem-solving.
You’d be amazed at the lengths Chicago parents will take to find sustenance. Water may be easy to come by if you’re in a good building with up-to-date plumbing, but what about the other things your children need?
I have news for you, the things your children need are NOT in the 'hood.
Approximately 1 in 6 Chicago murders results in a criminal conviction. Ever hear the term “snitches get stitches?”
That’s not just something Seattle kids say in the suburbs.