This cannot grow much more. The area they “annexed” is the most hyper liberal part of the most hyper liberal neighborhood of the already hyper-liberal city of Seattle. There isnt the support of the people, nor the manpower needed for this to grow to remotely the levels you are talking about.
If the CHAZ grows and causes issues with residents they will pushback and support police action against the antifa folks. If police go in right now and forcibly/violently remove them, the antifa folks become martyrs and SPD is labeled killers. Seems like city officials are just gonna sit back and let the area realize that the grass really isnt greener… or we will be happily surprised and the CHAZ will become a wonderful utopia.
yeah, but all these antifa folks have pretty good lives to go back to if they give up the cause. Soviets had shit lives, and were killed if they gave up the cause.
The ringleaders of the Russian Revolution were middle class, even upper middle class, most of them sociopaths. In his youth, Lenin was a minor nobleman whose favorite pastime was flogging peasants whom resorted to poaching on his estate due to hunger.
Same thing with the French Revolution - driven by self-loathing nobility and upper middle classes. These idiots light the spark, then the real psychopaths take over (Robespierre, Stalin).
Not exactly. They simply facilitated his transfer under the premise that he’ll cause further chaos in Tsarist Russia (which was already in revolutionary turnmoil). He paid them back by giving them a third of European Russia at the short lived treaty of Brest-Litovsk.
Oh no no. You get exactly what’s written on the tin. The problem is that people don’t read labels.
I think the USA Marxists could use some lessons from Ralph Nader about truth-in-labeling. The entire movement here is shrouded superficial notions of anti-racism that allow (mostly) white people to feel like they’re taking part in a great moral crusade without ever having to explain any of the policy points or the consequences that will be left in the wake of these policies. The policies will only have a major impact on the poorest, after all. And we’re here to help them.
This is the Stupid Thread, so let’s hear some celebrities tell us things they just learned about not being shitty people. They seemingly just figured out that rape is bad a few years ago, so I cut them more slack than I do normal people who live in the real world.
Its like they live in this world where they put up with all of this terrible behavior from each other all of the time until whenever their collective intellectual and moral flashpoint is reached. Then they all change their minds at once and make a montage video to share their newly-discovered, powerful message of…
Racism is bad. Just like rape.
(I may need to start a twitter account. Just for the rest of the pandemic, then I’m cancelling it.)
The leaders of the Red Brigades were college students. They would have insisted, and some still do, that they were not only the good guys but that they were good. You can’t be a good person and execute a man in cold blood as he lies in the trunk of a car. A man you just spent 55 days with.
French Revolution is one of my favorite historical events to read about. Some who championed ideas of liberty turned around and went back on all that once they got some power with twists, turns, etc.
On the brightside for conservatives, if Trump decides to send national guard/military in to Seattle against the wishes of the state and city they will likely be met by a bunch of gun carrying liberals who have suddenly learned the value of the 2nd amendment…
No, I mean there are a lot of folks around here that think antifa is a joke, but REALLY don’t like trump and I think would literally be up in arms over a trump ordered military invasion of our state.
And there are more folks in the eastern part of the state that hate government (think Ruby ridge) and are armed to the teeth. Though they are the type that might not be too friendly towards BLM, so that could get interesting.
How in the world do you figure that?? That statement makes no sense.
100%. I was talking with a client today (business owner) who said that one of employees had a 13 year old daughter that was practically harassed into self-harm over a social media post she made on the riots. Her crime wasn’t even saying something bad, it was that she didn’t say things the right way. Because…she’s 13. She is getting death threats. Death threats for a fucking 13 year old girl. By adults.
Leaving aside the advisability having of the social media account, that shit sickens me. An adult can take or leave whatever criticism they receive. Not that it makes it ok in any way, but that they’re mature. A 13 year old kid hasn’t even figured out the rudiments of life. They’re impressionable, still developing, the works. Threatening a 13 year old as a grown adult should be immediate grounds for drastic punishment.
“Nearly all men can stand adversity. If you want to test a man’s character, give him power” – paraphrase of Robert Ingersoll (misquoted as Lincoln)
Another (imo of course) reason why allowing the social discourse amongst our political leaders to be unchained hasn’t been good. Now the other side is the enemy. It’s not someone you disagree with. And even talking respectably about those differences may get you voted out of office. We want purity, someone who won’t just oppose the other side but treat them like shit as often as possible. Because why would you show an ounce of empathy for the enemy?
You don’t have to look too far up the thread to find someone who said he would pay to watch the military murder some American citizens. When people who don’t think like you are actual enemies it can’t be too surprising to have that trickle down.
Just look at the way teens are treated who have taken stands politically. They are mocked, ridiculed, and treated with every bit of venom that people would spend on Mitch McConnell or Nancy Pelosi.
The extremists on both sides want to destroy western society. In fact, because I’m not brainwashed, I don’t see the extremists as part of any side; they are their own sides. The problem is that Americans don’t have long enough attention spans to think about more than two sides.
I don’t believe to this level in the least bit. When I was growing up bipartisanship wasn’t a dirty word and some people actually ran on this idea and put it in their campaign slogans. Now any vote with the other side is potentially something that could cost you your spot in the next election.
During Reagan, Clinton, Bush did they consistently make remarks that painted their opposition as true enemies like Trump does now? Did any of them repeatedly call for violence against the opposition as he did? Hell we’re only what a few weeks ago from him retweeting a video that says the only good democrat is a dead one. He’s weaponized the Presidency and consistently threatens states, cities, or people who don’t do what he thinks they should. Maybe that was consistently taking place under recent Presidents and I just don’t remember it.
Always been this way?
Modern times I feel like it’s far worse now than it was when I was growing up.
I realize a lot of folks dislike the man and his policies, but re-reading Obama’s 2004 DNC keynote speech, the speech that put him on the map, it is truly striking how different the tone and content of that speech is compared to what is going on now.
Outside of his quick nods to the presidential candidates (due to the obvious circumstance of the speech), i dont know how any redblooded american can say that wasn’t a damn good, inspiring piece of oratory that they wouldnt rather hear right now instead of the whining and mudslinging currently going on.
