The Stupid Thread 2 (Part 1)

I apologize you said unnecessary services. Which would be easy to decline if people were all medical geniuses and knew exactly what services they needed. How many people have a child in excruciating pain who don’t want the doctors to do anything until they have had time to go for 8 different opinions and weighed all the potential costs of tests?

We all rely on medical professionals to tell us what we don’t need and don’t need. Are we really proud to live in a society where a woman gets a limb cut off and doesn’t want an ambulance called? When we have a system where a few people have enough wealth to buy every family their own ambulance?

I doubt you have the same experiences @Uncle_Gabby(I assume he has similar) and I have. I’m talking about people calling 9-1-1 and getting a ride in an ambulance for an issue they’ve had for three weeks. That kind of thing. That’s unnecessary.

I don’t use doctors unless I know why I’m using a doctor. Not everyone needs to be like me, but enjoy the costs.

I think I’ve provided plenty of evidence. Yes people calling 911 and going to the ER when they don’t need to is an issue. It also doesn’t have a lot to do with the issues I pointed out. Ignoring everything else just to say some people don’t need it doesn’t advance the discussion much.

I’m not talking about not using a doctor for whatever the fuck you want. I’m talking about emergencies and the lack of information people have about what they need and the cost. We have a problem when “negotiate your bill” is a common theme. How many people know how to negotiate a medical bill? Why do they need negotiated? Because people have been fucked over.

But it’s good business. You have people panicked and in pain with no idea what to do about it. This isn’t getting an estimate on some home maintenance and having time to explore all options.

Like I said I hope you never find yourself in a situation where you or loved ones we forced to make quick decisions to get emergency care. But I suppose we could just chalk it up to people being unlucky and fuck em if the system fucks them. I believe that’s what Jesus wanted.

If only we looked at other countries with better outcomes than us and emulated them? They have a pretty common theme. But are they making the type of profit we are? Are some people being swindled so a few people can make bank? That’s the important question.

Is something stopping you from moving to one of them?

Why is this always the reaction when disagreements come up “if you don’t like it here - move”.

How about we take what works other places and improve upon the broken system here?
If you don’t think insurance and healthcare in this country is in serious need of a revamp you have lived a very privileged life and have not had to deal with the pain of massive medical bills.

It’s the sensible solution when you throw out the success of other places doing XYZ. @H_factor is a “move to Somalia” guy and likes to bring it up anytime any decrease in regulation is desired, even when no one is talking about the virtues of Somalia. I think it certainly makes sense to mention moving as being an option when someone actually brings up other countries’ superiority.

Reading his post I don’t see anything about other countries being “superior” as a whole, only that for certain problems they may have a better solution.

It is logical then to borrow from that solution and incorporate it into one’s own country for the betterment of all.

I’d be willing to accept that from a non-move-to-Somalia guy. Can’t be “Murica: love it or leave it” on some issues and not others.

That’s fair. But their really isn’t any evidence that anarchotopia leads to better societal outcomes. So you can move to places with less to no government if you are annoyed about the size of the government, but you just don’t have evidence to say it works better in this country so we should do it here. If anything the opposite is the case.

On the contrary we have plenty of evidence that other countries are more successful than us in healthcare outcomes and that taking ideas from them could lead to better results.

But yeah I agree with your call out my man!

A wall.

The Founding Fathers moved when they didn’t like it here…wait.

https://www.thenation.com/article/california-fires-urban-planning/

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What about the article is stupid? Poorly thought-out planning and zoning regs are a significant contributing factor to the destructiveness of these fires. The American dream of home/land ownership forces people out into these vulnerable areas and forces longer commutes which contribute to pollution, and climate change. Environmentally, we’d be better off living in dense Urban areas, and leaving vast areas of wilderness wild as opposed to spreading out and developing those wilderness areas.

I quickly scanned the article so I may have missed it, but what egregious things did it say?

I can’t resist after a couple of days posting this one. regardless of the cause of the fight, they trashed someone’s business.

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Not satire. Or is it?

Not satire; the future.

Meh, it’s just semantics as far as I’m concerned. The story is actually that a baby was concieved with donated sperm, and then was born. The rest is wordplay and semantics.

Will there be a point at which such use of semantics concerns you?

Idk. Probably when govt punishes the non-malicious misuse of accepted labeling. Just make a good faith effort to call folks what they want and move on with your day. Doesn’t seem that hard to be a nice, decent person in this instance.

If you’re going around telling trans women they aren’t women, and arguing genetalia vs gender all the time your an asshole. Just like a racist asshole you should have the right to speech and assembly. But you’d be treading a fine line between harassment/incitement and freedom of speech.

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