Yeah I’m not saying precedent doesn’t exist I just think it’s stupid to charge a woman who got shot simply because she was pregnant. It seems like if we are going to do that we have about a million other scenarios we should arrest pregnant women for.
That’s not what’s happening. She started the fight, according to investigators. She knew she was pregnant.
Let’s say someone breaks into your house, and you see him entering your daughter’s room with a knife in hand. You fire a shot at him. You miss, and the bullet goes through the wall and strikes your daughter. Your daughter doesn’t survive. Does the intruder not bear responsibility?
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I already gave a lot of examples above. If a woman goes one mile over the speed limit and is involved in a crash that kills her unborn baby should she be charged?
She knew she was pregnant and she decided to speed.
How about if a woman doesn’t eat the the right foods during pregnancy? Isn’t caffeine and low birth weight correlated? Child endangerment for drinking a pop?
Is she at fault? Was it reckless?
These are not things that are ordinarily considered reckless, or even illegal.
Yes. I would say it depends how you define reckless in a sense. If you know you’re pregnant why are you driving a mile over the speed limit?
Do they not follow the same logic of you know you’re pregnant and you’re responsible for taking care of the kid in all ways or else you go to jail?
Also who defines initiated the fight in this case. If she slaps another woman and it escalated into shots fired?
*. I’m not saying the woman didn’t do things that lead to her getting shot. Merely that it’s a slippery slope imo.
Then, possibly. Not due to her speed, most likely. Perhaps, due to a failure to maintain proper control.
There’s a legal definition.
Probably for the same reason just about everyone has driven one mile an hour over the posted speed limit. Driving one mile an hour over the posted speed limit is not considered reckless(It could be, under certain road conditions).
The people working on the case and bringing charges.
Something to consider is how all of the protections and rights children have will be extended to fetuses. You’re a female construction worker. You would not be allowed to bring your child to work and if you are pregnant you won’t be allowed to bring yourself to work. Even if the laws are not written in a way that explicitly forbid certain behaviors, a woman might not want to chance it.
A pregnant cop gets into a scuffle arresting someone and loses her baby. Does the suspect also get charged with murder? Does the mother/cop get charged because she brought her “child” to work, specifically a dangerous workplace?
So a woman who gets in a wreck and loses her baby should go to jail? I think that’s cruel personally.
I’m aware. But could an argument be made that driving a mile over the speed limit while pregnant is reckless? It would seem if we’re going down this road (no pun) we can open up a lot of things.
Smoking isn’t illegal. Should a woman go to jail for it if she’s pregnant and smokes? I dunno maybe?
Seems like a lot to put on people when we’re talking about a woman getting shot going to jail for getting shot.
That’s not even close to what this case is about. This lady apparently, while pregnant, acted in a manner that resulted in someone justifiably(charges against her have been dropped) shooting her.
How many times are you going to fail to see that determinations like that should be made on a case-by-case basis? I don’t think you are truly too ignorant to know that.
No.
No.
That’s not the reason she was charged.
Of course it is. It’s putting your potential child in a dangerous environment. And the government will decide what’s dangerous.
See above. How is driving in a manner that leads to a wreck different and who decides? Failure to use a turn signal resulting in a wreck is just as dangerous as punching someone who then shoots you. The end result is the same in the scenarios we’re talking about. Someone doing something that leads to a dead fetus.
It could easily be argued it’s child endangerment I would think.
Just my thoughts not saying my line of thinking with this stuff is by any means correct.
At least Alabama is reminding us why they’re easily one of the worst states in the nation using essentially every metric that matters.
In this scenario, wouldn’t we be seeing (minimum) negligent manslaughter from the parent? Given it was explicitly the parent’s incompetence that killed the kid?
There is a strong precedent that if you are acting recklessly or committing a felony and someone gets killed in the process, you will likely be charged with manslaughter or even murder in the case of a premeditated felony. Just treat the unborn child as a separate person and all of this makes sense. No real need to get carried away with slippery slope arguments and weird corner cases that are easy to evaluate through the lens of the baby is a separate person.
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I think that depends on the exact circumstances and the jurisdiction, but whether or not the parent is charged wouldn’t mean that the intruder wouldn’t almost certainly be charged, too.
No doubt in the intruder with a knife argument. I’d hope they’d both be charged.
But on a case by case basis, it seems a strange comparison of “living child literally killed by parent, legally attempts to blame external” & “unborn baby literally killed by external, with legality attempting to blame only the parent”
I HIGHLY doubt it, unless the parent is a fool and makes crazy statements. It wasn’t the parent’s incompetence. It was the parent’s attempt at preventing probable harm to the child.
If the parent was competent, would the bullet have missed killing the child? I find it a strange thing to consider someone not incompetent, if they’re going to miss that shot at sub 15 feet.
In a literal sense, the parent took a perceived threat, and became a much larger actual threat than the intruder, and the parent’s incompetence would be just as much to blame as the intruder, as it directly caused the death, while the intruder indirectly caused it.
This lady acted in a manner that apparently justified her being shot.
It’s not necessarily.
No.
I don’t know whether you’re a shooter, but it’s not the easiest thing. Add stress, bad lighting, and having just woke from your slumber to find an armed man entering your daughter’s room.
I guess you would prefer he call 9-1-1 and let whatever happens happen. Agree to disagree.