To expand on my last post, it doesnt have to be a switch from a bulk to a diet. It could be as simple as maintaining your diet/cals, jus adding 3-4 cardio sessions a week if you’re not already doing it (if you are yet still getting fatter at a fairly fast rate, then maybe your diet needs to be looked at), more high reps/supersets, some sled, etc.
[quote]Ironfreak wrote:
[quote]Tyler23 wrote:
Another benefit of being lean, although I am sure it’s been mentioned somewhere in (the good part of) this thread: you can get away with dietary MURDER. I got lean a year ago for the first time (all-out fat loss plan) in prep for a Hawaii trip. After that, I got real lax for many months. I could still see abs though. If I had done that when I was fatter, it would have been disastrous. [/quote]
I also have noticed the same thing. The leaner I am, the more junk I am able to eat without blowing up, where as the fatter I am, the easier it is to put on more fat. (This coming from someone who’s never been lean, and I also noticed this before I even started lifting weights and only use to exercise/cardio)
The more I think about it, the more I think it is important for natty’s to not let themself get too out of control in terms of fat. I dont subscribe to the whole “hold a certain weight for a certain time, or you’ll lose it.” I believe muscle is built very slowly, over time, and unless you do something silly like drop cals drastically, most muscle will remain.
Besides, comptetitors always talk about the post-show rebound. I would assume this is the equivalent of muscle memory. Even if you were to lose some muscle (again, nothing crazy in terms of dieting down too fast), I’d imagine you’d gain most of it back fairly quickly once you’re no longer dieting.[/quote]
I think I agree (based on my experience). I came off of a bulk and dialed down my cals a bit over a month, then dove head-first into Roman’s 5 Radical Principals for Fat Loss. Based on my caliper measurements, I didn’t lose any muscle at all. This is despite having only one “heavy” day per week, mostly using circuits, complexes and HIIT. Dropped cals to 2k/day and kept it there for 8 weeks (some refeeds/cheats towards the end) and took a steady 1/3" off my waist and 2 lbs every week.
[quote]Stronghold wrote:
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
[quote]rds63799 wrote:
It’s weird, it’s like if I have breakast it makes me hungry. If I don’t have breakfast I can go 7 hours before I get hungry.
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I don’t start getting hungry until after my first food intake. I can go a long time completely without food. If I eat breakfast I have to continue eating or I get really hungry.[/quote]
I’m actually different in that I’m eating breakfast again and having a lot of carbs on a regular basis. About 240g on off days and well north of 300g on training days. I’ve started making breakfast just 50-75g protein+coconut oil or butter and coffee at 6am. This seems to keep me from being hungry until around lunch time. It’s also easy to take down in the car on the way to work. As far as carbs go, I have 100g or so at lunch, and the rest pre and post workout. I like big meals and the seratonin dump from a big carb meal at night helps me sleep.
I’d much rather count my macros than just restrict food types. Easier for me to have total control over macros but pretty much total freedom over choices thaan to do calorie restriction via food avoidance. Just how I’m wired I guess.[/quote]
I like it, long term, the other way. I find it’s easier to do completely without something than to regulate it. I prefer to eat as much as I want when I want to eating foods I might crave but having to regulate it.
[quote]hungry4more wrote:
[quote]Doh wrote:
Well the first to second page of this thread was great read…and I stopped there knowing what’s probably going to happen after lol[/quote]
Yep.
/productive thread at that point. [/quote]
Unreal man - just un-fucking-real.
Exactly - was a good read for the first couple of pages, then it went to shit as usual.
Guess the “facebook friends” ruined yet ANOTHER potentially good thread…
[quote]Smashingweights wrote:
So you would prefer your man to look like one of the guys on the top row vs one of the physiques in the bottom row ?
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Great job on dropping that weight!!
I cut out all wheat and gluten about a year ago and it has made a huge difference. I used to do a lot of cardio in order to maintain any sort of leanness. I mean, in the summer I was doing an hour of low intensity elliptical, 5 xs a week, and 3 xs a week after lifting, I did HIIT training. Yes, I got lean but it sucked!
Now, I virtually 1/5 of that and am far leaner. I also started pulse feasting about 2 months ago and I am 100% sold on it! I drink 3-4 MAG-10?s during the day, take Indigo at about 3:30, have a Finibar at 4, then start drinking Plazma on the way to the gym at 4:30. Post workout another MAG-10, another Finibar then eat a very large dinner with chicken and rice, or potato/sweet potato. I will throw in some oatmeal sometimes, and always have a huge protein shake before bed and a greek yog. (plain). I am getting a solid 240 grams of prot. And about 250-300 carbs. I also throw in coconut oil when I cook and drink 2 Tbsp. of Macadamia nut oil at bed for fats.
No wheat, no milk(very limited diary), no processed foods. Fuck anyone telling me not to eat breakfast, give me eggs or give me death! Seriously though i have always been big on the 6-8 smaller meals a day. Also walking. Walk everyday.
[quote]Waittz wrote:
no processed foods. Fuck anyone telling me not to eat breakfast,[/quote]
Breakfast is SO 2012. Get with the times
[quote]rds63799 wrote:
[quote]Waittz wrote:
no processed foods. Fuck anyone telling me not to eat breakfast,[/quote]
Breakfast is SO 2012. Get with the times
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Bull. Skipping breakfast is just an easy way for people to eat larger meals later in the day while staying below their cal totals. It really baffles me when people think “fasting” or “backloading” is anything other than a way to be in a calorie defecit by going low throughout the day and big later on instead of constantly being low.
I had a 6 pack prior to 2013, many others did too. It is just way cooler now to complicate the shit out of fat loss and call it something different. My favorite is the ‘pulse fast’ or other one day fast approach. People think it is doing something magical.
I need 2500 to maintaine so 2000 to lose. So in a weak i need 17500 to maintain, 14000 to lose. So I eat 2800 5 days a week and “fast” 2 days a week and guess what? 14000 cals…
Id rather not suffer every morning or twice a week and just be disciplined constantly. That is just may way of looking at it. I have tried IF and backloading. Both schools ruin my discipline, make may mornings or a few days really shitty and give the same results.
[quote]Waittz wrote:
[quote]rds63799 wrote:
[quote]Waittz wrote:
no processed foods. Fuck anyone telling me not to eat breakfast,[/quote]
Breakfast is SO 2012. Get with the times
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Bull. Skipping breakfast is just an easy way for people to eat larger meals later in the day while staying below their cal totals. It really baffles me when people think “fasting” or “backloading” is anything other than a way to be in a calorie defecit by going low throughout the day and big later on instead of constantly being low.
I had a 6 pack prior to 2013, many others did too. It is just way cooler now to complicate the shit out of fat loss and call it something different. My favorite is the ‘pulse fast’ or other one day fast approach. People think it is doing something magical.
I need 2500 to maintaine so 2000 to lose. So in a weak i need 17500 to maintain, 14000 to lose. So I eat 2800 5 days a week and “fast” 2 days a week and guess what? 14000 cals…
Id rather not suffer every morning or twice a week and just be disciplined constantly. That is just may way of looking at it. I have tried IF and backloading. Both schools ruin my discipline, make may mornings or a few days really shitty and give the same results. [/quote]
I agree. It’s just personal preference. I do basic IFing because I’m never hungry in the morning.
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
[quote]Waittz wrote:
[quote]rds63799 wrote:
[quote]Waittz wrote:
no processed foods. Fuck anyone telling me not to eat breakfast,[/quote]
Breakfast is SO 2012. Get with the times
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Bull. Skipping breakfast is just an easy way for people to eat larger meals later in the day while staying below their cal totals. It really baffles me when people think “fasting” or “backloading” is anything other than a way to be in a calorie defecit by going low throughout the day and big later on instead of constantly being low.
I had a 6 pack prior to 2013, many others did too. It is just way cooler now to complicate the shit out of fat loss and call it something different. My favorite is the ‘pulse fast’ or other one day fast approach. People think it is doing something magical.
I need 2500 to maintaine so 2000 to lose. So in a weak i need 17500 to maintain, 14000 to lose. So I eat 2800 5 days a week and “fast” 2 days a week and guess what? 14000 cals…
Id rather not suffer every morning or twice a week and just be disciplined constantly. That is just may way of looking at it. I have tried IF and backloading. Both schools ruin my discipline, make may mornings or a few days really shitty and give the same results. [/quote]
I agree. It’s just personal preference. I do basic IFing because I’m never hungry in the morning.[/quote]
You arent allowed to talk to me until you have already bought new pants.
And yes, exactly my point. They all work to get you into a defecit, and gives people a way to tailor creating a defecit around their day/habbits which is awesome in theory. Problem is in practicality many poeple just use them as a crutch or excuse to go all chinese buffet after a workout and russain prison cafeteria during the day. I think for more experienced people they can work, but not like some magic fatloss solution that is “better” than any other. Just another tool in the toolbox. Not a wonder tool.
I was just kidding
SORRY JEEZ
[quote]rds63799 wrote:
I was just kidding
SORRY JEEZ[/quote]
[quote]Waittz wrote:
[quote]rds63799 wrote:
I was just kidding
SORRY JEEZ[/quote]
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[quote]rds63799 wrote:
[quote]Waittz wrote:
[quote]rds63799 wrote:
I was just kidding
SORRY JEEZ[/quote]
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I like how that turned out.
Staying lean to me means limiting snacking in between meals. There is a lot of calories in nuts. Also going to bed a little hungry can help sometimes with maintaining leanness. I find if I am over-tired/over-worked that this increases the probability of having a blow out with my diet.
I do a lot of interval work with soccer. I find when Im doing more interval training, that I am much more leaner. Intervals for me means for example dribbling in between cones for 60 seconds and then rest for 60 seconds, and repeat 5 times, followed by 10 reps of 15 metre sprints with the ball starting from push-up position with 20 seconds rest etc etc.
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[quote]T-bone12 wrote:
I cut out all wheat and gluten about a year ago and it has made a huge difference. I used to do a lot of cardio in order to maintain any sort of leanness. I mean, in the summer I was doing an hour of low intensity elliptical, 5 xs a week, and 3 xs a week after lifting, I did HIIT training. Yes, I got lean but it sucked!
Now, I virtually 1/5 of that and am far leaner. I also started pulse feasting about 2 months ago and I am 100% sold on it! I drink 3-4 MAG-10?s during the day, take Indigo at about 3:30, have a Finibar at 4, then start drinking Plazma on the way to the gym at 4:30. Post workout another MAG-10, another Finibar then eat a very large dinner with chicken and rice, or potato/sweet potato. I will throw in some oatmeal sometimes, and always have a huge protein shake before bed and a greek yog. (plain). I am getting a solid 240 grams of prot. And about 250-300 carbs. I also throw in coconut oil when I cook and drink 2 Tbsp. of Macadamia nut oil at bed for fats. [/quote]
How much is your weekly or monthly investment for these spplements?
@Waittz I really agree with your post regarding all the different meal timing strategies.
The scale has definitely helped. I’m actually eating more nutrient dense and unprocessed foods with IIFYM than I otherwise would.
The one flaw I do see in it is that it’s inherently inaccurate - 50 g of fat from almonds will not have the same absorption as 50 g of fat from olive oil. However, I’m only looking for 90% or so accuracy and compliance, so it’s bothering me.
[quote]browndisaster wrote:
50 g of fat from almonds will not have the same absorption as 50 g of fat from olive oil. However, I’m only looking for 90% or so accuracy and compliance, so it’s bothering me.[/quote]
you’ll go mad worrying about shit like that man