The Staying Lean Factor

[quote]Smashingweights wrote:
No one ever said what all women want. We have been and are currently talking about the majority.
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kinda sounded like you did with the whole “show me a girl who…” chat

[quote]Smashingweights wrote:

I may have gone a bit over the top, for effect, with the “and ill show you a liar” comment.
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bingo

You guys should start a swimming forum. Isn’t it always said that the swimmers get the most chicks at the olympics? Guys who lift for the chicks are doing it wrong.

am I the only one who hates counting calories? I find it’s much easier just to think about servings. For example, instead of trying to add calories, I’ll just add in another serving of carbs to a meal, or two, or whatever. Then if I want to lean out a bit, I’ll take out one or two servings of carbs.

So bulking might look like this:

meal 1 - protein & fat
meal 2 - protein & fat & carbs
meal 3 - protein & fat & carbs
meal 4 - protein & fat

whereas cutting would be:

meal 1 - protein & fat
meal 2 - protein & fat
meal 3 - protein & fat & carbs
meal 4 - protein & fat

works ok for me, I could never be arsed trying to work out calories. Do people really weigh their food? Ain’t nobody got time for that!

[quote]Smashingweights wrote:

[quote]SteelyD wrote:

[quote]Smashingweights wrote:
Haven’t you leaned up a bit somewhat recently? IIRC you posted some pictures with a former pro where you had leaned up and looked pretty huge?[/quote]

I had to go look that thread up:

http://tnation.T-Nation.com/free_online_forum/sports_body_training_performance_bodybuilding/met_a_former_mr_universeamerica?id=5193439&pageNo=0

I am about the the same weight within 10 lbs on any given day, but I am definitely leaner or at least a little more defined and vascular in arms/shoulders/chest and face is a little leaner. I know I’ve gotten tighter on my PL belt by one notch and working on another one, one year later.[/quote]

That is great Steely. Has your bench gone up as well? Do you have any new progress photos?

Keep up the good work big man.[/quote]

Thanks, man, I really do appreciate it.

Yes - bench is consistently in the 400’s now. I have posted recent prog pics in other threads, but I’m not going to litter the forums any more than I have already lol.


That’s hilarious!!

(Rattlehead had posted on previous page)

@rds I think your approach would work well, I’m just trying to be a bit more exact now, plus this style will fit in with my inconsistent schedule. For me as a vegetarian, a lot of protein foods have a lot of carbs in them, so this way I actually know what I’m modifying in the diet

@rattlehead and smashingweights, thanks, I’ll give it a try, right now macros are 90 fat, 260 carbs, 195 protein, with a high carb day on Friday. I do have some sort of periworkout carb powder that I got for free so maybe I’ll add that in as my surplus once I start bulking again.

[quote]browndisaster wrote:
For me as a vegetarian[/quote]

you’re dead to me

Measuring out and weighing food isn’t hard and does not take much extra time at all. Less than a minute or two per meal.

5-10 minutes out of an entire day tops? That isn’t very long in my opinion.

Stronghold (I believe?) posted about his normal food portioning routine to show how easy it was but I do not remember what thread it was in. Maybe someone else does.

Anyway, after you have weighed/measured out your food for a while you will be able to fairly accurately “eye ball” your portions to know what your intake is.

[quote]Smashingweights wrote:
Measuring out and weighing food isn’t hard and does not take much extra time at all. Less than a minute or two per meal.

5-10 minutes out of an entire day tops? That isn’t very long in my opinion.

Stronghold (I believe?) posted about his normal food portioning routine to show how easy it was but I do not remember what thread it was in. Maybe someone else does.

Anyway, after you have weighed/measured out your food for a while you will be able to fairly accurately “eye ball” your portions to know what your intake is.[/quote]

Yup, its extremely easy when you start doing it ESPECIALLY with carbs, just use scoops and cups for dem bad boys.

LOLLLL OMG WOW.

STOP THIS SILLY SHIT

HOT GIRLS, READ THIS AGAIN, HOT GIRLS, TEND TO PREFER LEAN MEN (MOST DOESNT = ALL SO GTFO WITH YOUR ABSURDITIES OMG WTF)

AND YES IVE BEEN BOTH LEAN AND FAT AND SORRY BUT HOTTIES HIT ON ME 200 MORE WHEN IM LEAN

I GOT A GOLDEN PERSONALITY SO I WAS STILL DOING GOOD WHEN I WAS FAT BUT HAD TO PUT IN MORE WORK

PLZ

DONT ARGUE THAT CRAP LMAO

[quote]Waittz wrote:
I become less sweaty in the summer time[/quote]
I noticed this as well.

[quote]Dr. Pangloss wrote:
I like the idea for this thread, a lot.

There have been some good suggestions for monitoring the amount of “fluff” you have. By far, the one I like the most is the difference between the measurement of my upper body (around my shoulders with arms at my sides) and my waist. I think if you’re going to stay lean and want to look like you lift, you need to maximize this measurement with broad shoulders and a trim waist. Currently, the difference is at 19" for me (53" v 34"). If it drops, it’s because I’m getting fluffy or missing workouts. Ideally, I try and keep it above 20".

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I haven’t been measuring around my shoulders but have been measuring around my chest and waist measurements, having a nice difference in those two measurements and clothes that show it really shows the v taper and makes one look like they lift in clothes even when lean.

[quote]rds63799 wrote:
am I the only one who hates counting calories? I find it’s much easier just to think about servings. For example, instead of trying to add calories, I’ll just add in another serving of carbs to a meal, or two, or whatever. Then if I want to lean out a bit, I’ll take out one or two servings of carbs.

So bulking might look like this:

meal 1 - protein & fat
meal 2 - protein & fat & carbs
meal 3 - protein & fat & carbs
meal 4 - protein & fat

whereas cutting would be:

meal 1 - protein & fat
meal 2 - protein & fat
meal 3 - protein & fat & carbs
meal 4 - protein & fat

works ok for me, I could never be arsed trying to work out calories. Do people really weigh their food? Ain’t nobody got time for that![/quote]
I guess that would work except I’m terrible at estimating a serving(and consequently how much i’m actually eating), and would sometimes miss breakfast or lunch. I recently bough a scale and started weighing, and measuring my food. So now I know 400g of sweet potatoe is basically 2 cups and about 100g of carbs, 1/2 cup of uncooked rice is about 70g of carbs and that lean meat like chicken breast is about 100g of protein per pound.

@browndisaster

I got this scale a while ago and decided to eat the same macros for a while to see at what rate I drop weight after which Ill be better able to manipulate my macros/calories to gain, drop or maintain.

hmm maybe I will start weighing my food, just for a little while so I can see how much I’m actually eating

[quote]zraw wrote:
LOLLLL OMG WOW.

STOP THIS SILLY SHIT

HOT GIRLS, READ THIS AGAIN, HOT GIRLS, TEND TO PREFER LEAN MEN (MOST DOESNT = ALL SO GTFO WITH YOUR ABSURDITIES OMG WTF)

AND YES IVE BEEN BOTH LEAN AND FAT AND SORRY BUT HOTTIES HIT ON ME 200 MORE WHEN IM LEAN

I GOT A GOLDEN PERSONALITY SO I WAS STILL DOING GOOD WHEN I WAS FAT BUT HAD TO PUT IN MORE WORK

PLZ

DONT ARGUE THAT CRAP LMAO[/quote]

Dude you left the caps lock on.

[quote]MassiveGuns wrote:

[quote]zraw wrote:
LOLLLL OMG WOW.

STOP THIS SILLY SHIT

HOT GIRLS, READ THIS AGAIN, HOT GIRLS, TEND TO PREFER LEAN MEN (MOST DOESNT = ALL SO GTFO WITH YOUR ABSURDITIES OMG WTF)

AND YES IVE BEEN BOTH LEAN AND FAT AND SORRY BUT HOTTIES HIT ON ME 200 MORE WHEN IM LEAN

I GOT A GOLDEN PERSONALITY SO I WAS STILL DOING GOOD WHEN I WAS FAT BUT HAD TO PUT IN MORE WORK

PLZ

DONT ARGUE THAT CRAP LMAO[/quote]

Dude you left the caps lock on.
[/quote]

YES CAUSE SO MAD ZOMG

i yell

[quote]JoabSonOfZeruiah wrote:

[quote]Dr. Pangloss wrote:
I like the idea for this thread, a lot.

There have been some good suggestions for monitoring the amount of “fluff” you have. By far, the one I like the most is the difference between the measurement of my upper body (around my shoulders with arms at my sides) and my waist. I think if you’re going to stay lean and want to look like you lift, you need to maximize this measurement with broad shoulders and a trim waist. Currently, the difference is at 19" for me (53" v 34"). If it drops, it’s because I’m getting fluffy or missing workouts. Ideally, I try and keep it above 20".

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I haven’t been measuring around my shoulders but have been measuring around my chest and waist measurements, having a nice difference in those two measurements and clothes that show it really shows the v taper and makes one look like they lift in clothes even when lean.[/quote]
How high/low do you wrap the tape around your shoulders? Number changes quite a bit depending on how much of my chest gets in there lol.

[quote]csulli wrote:

[quote]JoabSonOfZeruiah wrote:

[quote]Dr. Pangloss wrote:
I like the idea for this thread, a lot.

There have been some good suggestions for monitoring the amount of “fluff” you have. By far, the one I like the most is the difference between the measurement of my upper body (around my shoulders with arms at my sides) and my waist. I think if you’re going to stay lean and want to look like you lift, you need to maximize this measurement with broad shoulders and a trim waist. Currently, the difference is at 19" for me (53" v 34"). If it drops, it’s because I’m getting fluffy or missing workouts. Ideally, I try and keep it above 20".

[/quote]
I haven’t been measuring around my shoulders but have been measuring around my chest and waist measurements, having a nice difference in those two measurements and clothes that show it really shows the v taper and makes one look like they lift in clothes even when lean.[/quote]
How high/low do you wrap the tape around your shoulders? Number changes quite a bit depending on how much of my chest gets in there lol.[/quote]

I use the widest part of my shoulders and try and keep the tape measure horizontal from there. It’s not an exact science, but as long as you’re consistent it can act as a fluff barometer.

[quote]zraw wrote:

[quote]MassiveGuns wrote:

[quote]zraw wrote:
LOLLLL OMG WOW.

STOP THIS SILLY SHIT

HOT GIRLS, READ THIS AGAIN, HOT GIRLS, TEND TO PREFER LEAN MEN (MOST DOESNT = ALL SO GTFO WITH YOUR ABSURDITIES OMG WTF)

AND YES IVE BEEN BOTH LEAN AND FAT AND SORRY BUT HOTTIES HIT ON ME 200 MORE WHEN IM LEAN

I GOT A GOLDEN PERSONALITY SO I WAS STILL DOING GOOD WHEN I WAS FAT BUT HAD TO PUT IN MORE WORK

PLZ

DONT ARGUE THAT CRAP LMAO[/quote]

Dude you left the caps lock on.
[/quote]

YES CAUSE SO MAD ZOMG

i yell[/quote]

That tren s messing with your head :wink:

[quote]JoabSonOfZeruiah wrote:

[quote]rds63799 wrote:
am I the only one who hates counting calories? I find it’s much easier just to think about servings. For example, instead of trying to add calories, I’ll just add in another serving of carbs to a meal, or two, or whatever. Then if I want to lean out a bit, I’ll take out one or two servings of carbs.

So bulking might look like this:

meal 1 - protein & fat
meal 2 - protein & fat & carbs
meal 3 - protein & fat & carbs
meal 4 - protein & fat

whereas cutting would be:

meal 1 - protein & fat
meal 2 - protein & fat
meal 3 - protein & fat & carbs
meal 4 - protein & fat

works ok for me, I could never be arsed trying to work out calories. Do people really weigh their food? Ain’t nobody got time for that![/quote]
I guess that would work except I’m terrible at estimating a serving(and consequently how much i’m actually eating), and would sometimes miss breakfast or lunch. I recently bough a scale and started weighing, and measuring my food. So now I know 400g of sweet potatoe is basically 2 cups and about 100g of carbs, 1/2 cup of uncooked rice is about 70g of carbs and that lean meat like chicken breast is about 100g of protein per pound.

@browndisaster

I got this scale a while ago and decided to eat the same macros for a while to see at what rate I drop weight after which Ill be better able to manipulate my macros/calories to gain, drop or maintain.[/quote]
interdasting, how long did it take you to find your maintenance levels?

I can already tell that without measuring my food, I eat way too much fat and have a really inconsistent carb intake.