I thought you get calves from veal…
or, is it the other way around…?
[quote]Bill Roberts wrote:
Genetics can be a funny thing.
Now, on your calves and the childhood walking style, you could well be right on this being causative. I am saying only that I don’t see how one would knowit (except perhaps if known from identical twin cases.) It reminded me of Steve Reeves attributing his calves to riding his bicycle up hills when he was a kid. How would he know how he calves would have turned out without having done that?[/quote]
Ultimately, it’s probably a unique combination of a lot of things that have led to my calves growing. It could be training, walking style, genetics, the gravitational pull of the moon, etc… You are correct, there is no way to tell which one (or combination) of the above led to my calves getting bigger.
Bill, do you think the length of the Achilles tendon has anything to do with it?
It doesn’t make sense to me that a shorter Achilles tendon would have an effect on mechanics of walking, as the muscle could readily be that much longer to accomodate and give same ROM and rest position. But I have zero expertise in matters of that sort.
It seems analogous to me to whether a person’s biceps extends nearly to the elbow, or is short. It doesn’t change rest position or range of motion.
But the shorter tendon means a longer muscle, which tends to be a bigger muscle.
I’m guessing that what you mean by short Achilles tendon is the soleus covering it to a lower point on the ankle than usual?
In that case the tendon itself might be no shorter at all, but only appear that way.
[quote]Bill Roberts wrote:
It doesn’t make sense to me that a shorter Achilles tendon would have an effect on mechanics of walking, as the muscle could readily be that much longer to accomodate and give same ROM and rest position. But I have zero expertise in matters of that sort.
It seems analogous to me to whether a person’s biceps extends nearly to the elbow, or is short. It doesn’t rest position or range of motion.
But the shorter tendon means a longer muscle, which tends to be a bigger muscle.
I’m guessing that what you mean by short Achilles tendon is the soleus covering it to a lower point on the ankle than usual?
In that case the tendon itself might be no shorter at all, but only appear that way.[/quote]
The main reason I ask this is because I was reading a journal article where two twins had congenitally short Achilles tendons.
http://www.ejbjs.org/cgi/reprint/21/3/792.pdf
The girls had normal development but walked on their toes. They went in for surgery and “an open Z-shaped lengthening of the Achilles tendons and a thorough posterior capsulotomy, especially over the medial and lateral aspects of the back of the ankle joint of each foot, were performed.”
After recovery, the girls were able to walk in a normal fashion with their heels on the ground.
I am interested in this since I used to be a heavy toe walker when I was younger. Since I am more aware of it now, I can walk with my heels down if I think about it but most of the time, I tend to land directly on the ball of my foot.
[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:
Bill Roberts wrote:
How would a person know what their calves would be like now if they had walked and run differently as a child?
How can it be ruled out that they might not be precisely the same?
It’s possible to have bigger calves than most from pure genetics, e.g. the above pic. The dad of course has trained his calves, but the kid seems to have them without, most likely, having done a thing.
That’s got to be Erik Frankhouser. He says his four year old lifts with him often in MD articles. Who knows maybe the kid’s been doing his dumbell hops 
[/quote]
I think it’s Matt Kroczaleski. Big dude.
I believe the tendon normally extends rather far up the calf, though the part that a person commonly thinks of as “the tendon” is quite short, as only a short length is visible and palpatable.
I was guessing that what you were calling short in your case was the visible part.
It would be a serious problem to be lacking much of the lengthier part to which muscle attaches over a broad area.
But the fact that your foot is naturally plantarflexed in its rest position does seem to indicate an oddity.
I can’t figure why it wouldn’t be a shortened muscle rather than a shortened tendon, though.
[quote]Hoejer wrote:
BONEZ217 wrote:
Bill Roberts wrote:
How would a person know what their calves would be like now if they had walked and run differently as a child?
How can it be ruled out that they might not be precisely the same?
It’s possible to have bigger calves than most from pure genetics, e.g. the above pic. The dad of course has trained his calves, but the kid seems to have them without, most likely, having done a thing.
That’s got to be Erik Frankhouser. He says his four year old lifts with him often in MD articles. Who knows maybe the kid’s been doing his dumbell hops
I think it’s Matt Kroczaleski. Big dude.
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Hmmmmmm… I don’t know.
Bill where did you find the picture? Do you know who it is?
[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:
Hoejer wrote:
BONEZ217 wrote:
Bill Roberts wrote:
How would a person know what their calves would be like now if they had walked and run differently as a child?
How can it be ruled out that they might not be precisely the same?
It’s possible to have bigger calves than most from pure genetics, e.g. the above pic. The dad of course has trained his calves, but the kid seems to have them without, most likely, having done a thing.
That’s got to be Erik Frankhouser. He says his four year old lifts with him often in MD articles. Who knows maybe the kid’s been doing his dumbell hops
I think it’s Matt Kroczaleski. Big dude.
Hmmmmmm… I don’t know.
Bill where did you find the picture? Do you know who it is? [/quote]
It’s Fankhouser.
Matt Kroc? Come on now. Those calves are unmistakable.
[quote]waylanderxx wrote:
BONEZ217 wrote:
Hoejer wrote:
BONEZ217 wrote:
Bill Roberts wrote:
How would a person know what their calves would be like now if they had walked and run differently as a child?
How can it be ruled out that they might not be precisely the same?
It’s possible to have bigger calves than most from pure genetics, e.g. the above pic. The dad of course has trained his calves, but the kid seems to have them without, most likely, having done a thing.
That’s got to be Erik Frankhouser. He says his four year old lifts with him often in MD articles. Who knows maybe the kid’s been doing his dumbell hops
I think it’s Matt Kroczaleski. Big dude.
Hmmmmmm… I don’t know.
Bill where did you find the picture? Do you know who it is?
It’s Fankhouser.
Matt Kroc? Come on now. Those calves are unmistakable.[/quote]
Gaah, some people…
[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:
Hoejer wrote:
BONEZ217 wrote:
Bill Roberts wrote:
How would a person know what their calves would be like now if they had walked and run differently as a child?
How can it be ruled out that they might not be precisely the same?
It’s possible to have bigger calves than most from pure genetics, e.g. the above pic. The dad of course has trained his calves, but the kid seems to have them without, most likely, having done a thing.
That’s got to be Erik Frankhouser. He says his four year old lifts with him often in MD articles. Who knows maybe the kid’s been doing his dumbell hops
I think it’s Matt Kroczaleski. Big dude.
Hmmmmmm… I don’t know.
Bill where did you find the picture? Do you know who it is? [/quote]
You were correct: it’s Frankhouser.
The pic was posted in a thread that Prof X started on House perhaps a few months back. I went back and stole it for this thread 
[quote]Bill Roberts wrote:
BONEZ217 wrote:
Hoejer wrote:
BONEZ217 wrote:
Bill Roberts wrote:
How would a person know what their calves would be like now if they had walked and run differently as a child?
How can it be ruled out that they might not be precisely the same?
It’s possible to have bigger calves than most from pure genetics, e.g. the above pic. The dad of course has trained his calves, but the kid seems to have them without, most likely, having done a thing.
That’s got to be Erik Frankhouser. He says his four year old lifts with him often in MD articles. Who knows maybe the kid’s been doing his dumbell hops
I think it’s Matt Kroczaleski. Big dude.
Hmmmmmm… I don’t know.
Bill where did you find the picture? Do you know who it is?
You were correct: it’s Frankhouser.
The pic was posted in a thread that Prof X started on House perhaps a few months back. I went back and stole it for this thread :)[/quote]
I just looked this guy up, and I’ve got to tell you that he has sick aesthetics. Perfect size and shape, IMO.
dont worry lee haney and ron coleman calves were not that great and they share 16 mr olympias titles . from 1996 on up they favored hamstrings over calves . with bad results
I haven’t read the whole thread… but I think the solution is downhill running.
the solution is somewhere between trying and achieved. and, not to nitpick, dancers have redic calves. Not the bouncy ones, the slow graceful dancers (gymnasts too, but they usually have wayyyyy more upper body mass)
EVERYBODY JUST DANCE!!!
Why are people bumping threads lately?
[quote]ukrainian wrote:
Why are people bumping threads lately?[/quote]
Maybe they have some pussy calves causing them concern.