OP post regularly… post are misconstrued regularly…shitstorms ensue regularly…I regularly enjoy them.
I also enjoy sex regularly. /thread
[quote]Majin wrote:
3 pages of jibber jabber with hardly any substance. The old “6 meals/day” or “eat every 2-3 hours” rules are utter bullshit and never had any scientific backing to begin with. I and many others followed it blindly like sheep running off a cliff, because everyone (including every author on this site) was swearing by it. Shame on me, shame on them. But outside of serious athletes who break 8hrs of training per week, everyone else can easily manage to get all of their calories in with 3-4 meals + pwo.
And what a newbie should do is spend 6 months to a year learning to track calories and protein + cooking and weighing their own food. Invaluable knowledge that still helps me every day. [/IMO][/quote]
I can’t agree more. Science can’t agree more lol. 6 meals a day every 2-3 made my life miserable and gains shitty. I didn’t start making real forward progress until I started tracking macros a few months ago.
[quote]Quasi-Tech wrote:
The problem with eating too big a meal, is that you are essentially wasting nutrients. Remember that your body takes a certain amount of time to process your food. Once that time period ends and it travels through your body, its gone. What nutrients couldn’t be pulled/used go out in waste. Your body isn’t intelligent enough to know that you are feeding it once for a day’s worth of intake. It processes (or tries to) the same amount each time within its capacity.
Like a car wash. You can put ‘x’ cars through a carwash each day. You can’t force more cars through, because the system has its limits. If it takes 3 minutes to pre-rinse, 5 minutes to wash, and 2 minutes to final spray, you can’t shorten time or increase throughput unless you re-program the system.
That’s where people start to theorize that you can only benefit from so much per sitting. I wouldn’t worry too much in that science, but realize that there are limits. If you eat normally, I’m sure you’ll be ok. [/quote]
Sorry no. Your body isn’t that dumb. Digestion speed is also based on the size of meals. Big meal. Slow digestion. And your body can up regulate absorption.
[quote]DanielDJ wrote:
I’ve got a weird question, don’t kill me for asking. Lets use a 3000kcal diet for example.
For those that say in terms of body composition 500kcal 6x a day will yield the same results as 750kcal 4x a day or 1500kcal 2x a day or 3000kcal in a sitting. (I do know meal sizes don’t have to be equal)
Putting aside all other factors such as hunger, stress etc.
Do you think 6000kcal in a sitting every 2 days will bring out the same results? Or some extreme intermittent fasting like 21000kcal at the end of the week lol
I know it sounds silly but just curious to know especially from a scientific standpoint.[/quote]
I don’t imagine that could work. You have to take into account the periods of time in which your muscles are in need of immediate recovery, such as post-workout. Your fibers would be torn and need protein immediately to begin repairing. I don’t think you could get away with going days without proper nutrition. Even if we are setting aside all other factors, your body isn’t meant to go that long in a depleted state.
I gotta agree with X for the most part here. I think 6 meals a day, or the goal of, is good for a beginner. Gives some structure to your eating habits to go along with the gym routine. And it works! someone 140 lbs can’t possibly fit 1500 cals per meal inside that little stomach comfortably on a regular basis. I would prefer to hit macros on 4-6 meals a day as opposed to 2-3. I think most would. 6 meals a day is not a lot. 1. breakfast 2. pre workout 3. post workout 4. lunch 5. dinner 6 bedtime snack. This is a pretty good base routine for most anyone. And it works for beginners and most anyone. Try to eat under 2000 cals on 6 meals a day.
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I think I read somewhere that fasting does become detrimental at some point, after 48ish hours or something? So the only eating mega meals every few days would at least have some shitty hormonal effects, I would assume.
[quote]Maiden3.16 wrote:
I gotta agree with X for the most part here. I think 6 meals a day, or the goal of, is good for a beginner. Gives some structure to your eating habits to go along with the gym routine. And it works! someone 140 lbs can’t possibly fit 1500 cals per meal inside that little stomach comfortably on a regular basis. I would prefer to hit macros on 4-6 meals a day as opposed to 2-3. I think most would. 6 meals a day is not a lot. 1. breakfast 2. pre workout 3. post workout 4. lunch 5. dinner 6 bedtime snack. This is a pretty good base routine for most anyone. And it works for beginners and most anyone. Try to eat under 2000 cals on 6 meals a day.
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it can help newbs… it can also have the opposite effect and cause alot of unnecessary stress and pressure.
ive seen newbs actually say they turn down doing things with friends so they dont miss 1 of their 6 meals, its a pointless thing to worry about.
[quote]Maiden3.16 wrote:
I gotta agree with X for the most part here. I think 6 meals a day, or the goal of, is good for a beginner.
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I fear that you and the good Professor doth disagree Mr. 3.16 
[quote]Professor X wrote:
NO, eating 6 meals a day is not what anyone here is saying.
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[quote]Professor X wrote:
Doofus, I am not telling people to eat 6 meals a day.
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[quote]ryanbCXG wrote:
Sorry no. Your body isn’t that dumb. Digestion speed is also based on the size of meals. Big meal. Slow digestion. And your body can up regulate absorption. [/quote]
So you believe if you consume 4k calories of food in one sitting, that your body will be able to process the food as efficiently as if you split that into 4 1000 calorie meals in a day?
There’s such a thing as the system being unable to process past a certain volume and it just pushes it through instead of processing it. This is apparent in all systems in existence.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Your physical progress in the gym is directly related to how intimate you become with inserting things into your mouth repeatedly.
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4 pages without one anabolic blowjob joke, I’m stunned.
[quote]Quasi-Tech wrote:
[quote]ryanbCXG wrote:
Sorry no. Your body isn’t that dumb. Digestion speed is also based on the size of meals. Big meal. Slow digestion. And your body can up regulate absorption. [/quote]
So you believe if you consume 4k calories of food in one sitting, that your body will be able to process the food as efficiently as if you split that into 4 1000 calorie meals in a day?
There’s such a thing as the system being unable to process past a certain volume and it just pushes it through instead of processing it. This is apparent in all systems in existence.[/quote]
Yes I do since I regularly do it and I am progressing nicely. And I am not a special butterfly. It’s just an adaptation. You think primal humans were stuffing their face 4 times a day or more likely gorging every so often. I’m going with the latter
What really is there to discuss?
Have a target for all macros per day.
Divide them into different meals and distribute them over time according to your likings.
The subset of REASONABLE meal strategies per day in the space of all possible strategies is not that large.
Typically comes down to 3-6 meals per day.
Discussing what meal strategy may be optimal, seems like mental masturbation.
I feel like sticking to your macros and caloric need is what is important. During the week I eat six meals (including shakes) just because there are 6 convenient times per day for me to eat. I do not stick strictly to the actual time of day though. During the weekend since I sleep later I only eat 3 meals a day. Do not really see the difference between the days, just conveniently eating my macros seems to be what matters.
[quote]Maiden3.16 wrote:
I gotta agree with X for the most part here. I think 6 meals a day, or the goal of, is good for a beginner. Gives some structure to your eating habits to go along with the gym routine. And it works! someone 140 lbs can’t possibly fit 1500 cals per meal inside that little stomach comfortably on a regular basis. I would prefer to hit macros on 4-6 meals a day as opposed to 2-3. I think most would. 6 meals a day is not a lot. 1. breakfast 2. pre workout 3. post workout 4. lunch 5. dinner 6 bedtime snack. This is a pretty good base routine for most anyone. And it works for beginners and most anyone. Try to eat under 2000 cals on 6 meals a day.
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It served a purpose by setting a target each day which helped me get my schedule and goals on track.
It is the same as teaching a newb in the gym to choose about 2-3 exercises for a body part at the start. It isn’t some set in stone routine. It simply gives a skeleton to work from.
The “number” wasn’t the main issue.
It would be cool if we could have a discussion about this without the nonsense, but it doesn’t look like the same guys will let that happen.
The bottom line is, if your goal is a truly large amount of muscle gains in the long run, getting that regular schedule down will help you tons down the road.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]Maiden3.16 wrote:
I gotta agree with X for the most part here. I think 6 meals a day, or the goal of, is good for a beginner. Gives some structure to your eating habits to go along with the gym routine. And it works! someone 140 lbs can’t possibly fit 1500 cals per meal inside that little stomach comfortably on a regular basis. I would prefer to hit macros on 4-6 meals a day as opposed to 2-3. I think most would. 6 meals a day is not a lot. 1. breakfast 2. pre workout 3. post workout 4. lunch 5. dinner 6 bedtime snack. This is a pretty good base routine for most anyone. And it works for beginners and most anyone. Try to eat under 2000 cals on 6 meals a day.
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It served a purpose by setting a target each day which helped me get my schedule and goals on track.
It is the same as teaching a newb in the gym to choose about 2-3 exercises for a body part at the start. It isn’t some set in stone routine. It simply gives a skeleton to work from.
The “number” wasn’t the main issue.
It would be cool if we could have a discussion about this without the nonsense, but it doesn’t look like the same guys will let that happen.
The bottom line is, if your goal is a truly large amount of muscle gains in the long run, getting that regular schedule down will help you tons down the road.[/quote]
When you say “that regular schedule” would 3 meals a day for a newbie be okay as long as they’re gaining or are you saying they need to eat more meals a day to reinforce the habit of needing to eat a lot?
[quote]The Rattler wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]Maiden3.16 wrote:
I gotta agree with X for the most part here. I think 6 meals a day, or the goal of, is good for a beginner. Gives some structure to your eating habits to go along with the gym routine. And it works! someone 140 lbs can’t possibly fit 1500 cals per meal inside that little stomach comfortably on a regular basis. I would prefer to hit macros on 4-6 meals a day as opposed to 2-3. I think most would. 6 meals a day is not a lot. 1. breakfast 2. pre workout 3. post workout 4. lunch 5. dinner 6 bedtime snack. This is a pretty good base routine for most anyone. And it works for beginners and most anyone. Try to eat under 2000 cals on 6 meals a day.
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It served a purpose by setting a target each day which helped me get my schedule and goals on track.
It is the same as teaching a newb in the gym to choose about 2-3 exercises for a body part at the start. It isn’t some set in stone routine. It simply gives a skeleton to work from.
The “number” wasn’t the main issue.
It would be cool if we could have a discussion about this without the nonsense, but it doesn’t look like the same guys will let that happen.
The bottom line is, if your goal is a truly large amount of muscle gains in the long run, getting that regular schedule down will help you tons down the road.[/quote]
When you say “that regular schedule” would 3 meals a day for a newbie be okay as long as they’re gaining or are you saying they need to eat more meals a day to reinforce the habit of needing to eat a lot? [/quote]
He doesn’t know what he’s saying. He talks in bubbles so he can backpeddle when people point out how dumb he sounds.
[quote]The Rattler wrote:
When you say “that regular schedule” would 3 meals a day for a newbie be okay as long as they’re gaining or are you saying they need to eat more meals a day to reinforce the habit of needing to eat a lot? [/quote]
In what you just quoted, this was written:
I meant that.
However, I would put bets on the guy who starts this eating more frequently and truly making that a habit reaching more extreme goals in the long run simply because of the discipline involved.
That is just speaking generally though. Focusing on the exact number isn’t the issue here. If “three” is working for you, you keep doing what works.
I am discussing the approaches that lead to the most extreme physiques in general.
[quote]GrizzlyBerg wrote:
I feel like sticking to your macros and caloric need is what is important.[/quote]
It is what is most important.
I read earlier that someone spoke of guys missing social functions to eat. The reality is, the guys truly standing out are the types who do things like that at times. Balance is the goal, but let’s face it, no one walks around with 20" arms by “casually” approaching this. It takes adhering to a schedule and making that a priority.
Setting that schedule is what I am attempting to discuss here.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]Maiden3.16 wrote:
I gotta agree with X for the most part here. I think 6 meals a day, or the goal of, is good for a beginner. Gives some structure to your eating habits to go along with the gym routine. And it works! someone 140 lbs can’t possibly fit 1500 cals per meal inside that little stomach comfortably on a regular basis. I would prefer to hit macros on 4-6 meals a day as opposed to 2-3. I think most would. 6 meals a day is not a lot. 1. breakfast 2. pre workout 3. post workout 4. lunch 5. dinner 6 bedtime snack. This is a pretty good base routine for most anyone. And it works for beginners and most anyone. Try to eat under 2000 cals on 6 meals a day.
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It served a purpose by setting a target each day which helped me get my schedule and goals on track.
It is the same as teaching a newb in the gym to choose about 2-3 exercises for a body part at the start. It isn’t some set in stone routine. It simply gives a skeleton to work from.
The “number” wasn’t the main issue.
It would be cool if we could have a discussion about this without the nonsense, but it doesn’t look like the same guys will let that happen.
The bottom line is, if your goal is a truly large amount of muscle gains in the long run, getting that regular schedule down will help you tons down the road.[/quote]
I think the argument here is that it’s far more relevant to stress the importance of calories/macros to a beginner than it is to stress meal frequency. Yea, meal frequency will teach you to eat more, but it’s an unnecessary step.
Anyone who is serious about bodybuilding/powerlifting/recreational lifting will someday need to be very specific with macros. So why not teach them the process from the start? Of course everyone is different, but that’s where trial and error comes in. If 3,000 calories doesn’t get you growing, add in 250 and see what happens. That isn’t difficult and it allows for optimal customization without piling on unnecessary fat.
[quote]HeavyTriple wrote:
I think the argument here is that it’s far more relevant to stress the importance of calories/macros to a beginner than it is to stress meal frequency. Yea, meal frequency will teach you to eat more, but it’s an unnecessary step.[/quote]
It is all relevant. That is why I am discussing it.