The Rule: 6 Meals/Day

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]browndisaster wrote:
ahh fair enough. Tim McBride (sp?) comes to mind. He’s done really well all while working and raising a young family. Right now with full time school and full time work I’ve found fitting in lifting to be easy. Having a wife and kids would make things much more difficult.[/quote]

That’s fine.

But how many people are really big on this site who do that?

Please count them…especially the ones who last into their 30’s.

Just to make it clear, how you approach all of this to reach a more extreme goal than your development may need to be addressed.

It is not that hard to go all out on a routine for a few months to a year.

It is WAY harder to make this a full on lifestyle where you continue making progress right through all of those ups and downs in life AND actually become successful outside of bodybuilding…AND get huge.

That is what I was discussing here…if people would allow that.[/quote]
lol it’s not rocket science

Actually, rocket scientists lift every single day when they’re in orbit. Hmmm

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[quote]The Mighty Stu wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:
I’m sorry…was there something you were disagreeing with?
[/quote]

Not in my last reply specifically, merely bringing attention to all of your wonderful pieces where you continually reference people with “more extreme goals”, or “really big guys” or other similar terms you use when you give the impressin that your own approach (successful to yourself as it may have been, I’m not arguing with your own goal oriented results) is what everyone else reaching beyond “staying in shape” levels of development has done without fail.

I’m sure if we gathered some of the ‘larger’ folks who have frequented this site over the years (Schlecht, Waylander, Hipscar, even a couple of now IFBB pros and I’m sure many others I’m forgeting at the moment) that they’d have some interesting opinions that just may differ from yours. Again, proving not only that there are different approaches, but that the tone given by your style of writing as if you represent every dude above a muscular 200 lbs, isn’t warranted.

Feel free to discuss though.

Have a great day.

S[/quote]
??? Good for them.

But I’m talking about people with EXTREME goals. Women gasp and tell me “your genitals look tiny compared to those thighs.”

You will never hear that. That is why I started this thread.

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[quote]browndisaster wrote:
lol it’s not rocket science[/quote]

That’s the point…your success isn’t just in the numbers. That is the minor shit you try to nail down after you hit all of the bigger issues…like making certain things a habit so further growth is seen than the initial gain OVER YEARS.

Most of these guys are in their 20’s…so they don’t even know that most will be absent from the gym in 10 years.

Things like that matter…

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[quote]The Mighty Stu wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:
I’m sorry…was there something you were disagreeing with?
[/quote]

Not in my last reply specifically, merely bringing attention to all of your wonderful pieces where you continually reference people with “more extreme goals”, or “really big guys” or other similar terms you use when you give the impressin that your own approach (successful to yourself as it may have been, I’m not arguing with your own goal oriented results) is what everyone else reaching beyond “staying in shape” levels of development has done without fail.

I’m sure if we gathered some of the ‘larger’ folks who have frequented this site over the years (Schlecht, Waylander, Hipscar, even a couple of now IFBB pros and I’m sure many others I’m forgeting at the moment) that they’d have some interesting opinions that just may differ from yours. Again, proving not only that there are different approaches, but that the tone given by your style of writing as if you represent every dude above a muscular 200 lbs, isn’t warranted.

Feel free to discuss though.

Have a great day.

S[/quote]

Look, if you disagree with something I write, have at it. That is how discussions work.

However, all you seem to be trying to do is discredit what I write because “other people have different approaches”.

You still haven’t explained what this has to do with me discussing the FALSE INFORMATION ABOUT DIABETES that was being spread.

It doesn’t seem like you disagree with much of any of what I actually wrote…so why are you complaining about me discussing this topic?

You are here just to talk about my ego some more?

I personally would like to continue discussing how telling newbs that diabetes will get them will hold back many people from getting really muscular.

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[quote]browndisaster wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]browndisaster wrote:
ahh fair enough. Tim McBride (sp?) comes to mind. He’s done really well all while working and raising a young family. Right now with full time school and full time work I’ve found fitting in lifting to be easy. Having a wife and kids would make things much more difficult.[/quote]

That’s fine.

But how many people are really big on this site who do that?

Please count them…especially the ones who last into their 30’s.

Just to make it clear, how you approach all of this to reach a more extreme goal than your development may need to be addressed.

It is not that hard to go all out on a routine for a few months to a year.

It is WAY harder to make this a full on lifestyle where you continue making progress right through all of those ups and downs in life AND actually become successful outside of bodybuilding…AND get huge.

That is what I was discussing here…if people would allow that.[/quote]
lol it’s not rocket science

Actually, rocket scientists lift every single day when they’re in orbit. Hmmm[/quote]

Aeronautical engineers are responsible for the research, design, development, construction, testing, science and technology of aircrafts and spacecrafts. Astronauts on the other hand do lift when they are in orbit.

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some astronauts do have their background as aeronautical engineers. That is why ELITE TRAINING is the common denominator.

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[quote]browndisaster wrote:
some astronauts do have their background as aeronautical engineers. That is why ELITE TRAINING is the common denominator.[/quote]
I thought you had to do crossfit to be elite?

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Threads like this make me want to quit coming here. Embarrassing.

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[quote]infinite_shore wrote:
Threads like this make me want to quit coming here. Embarrassing.[/quote]

Yes, 24 pages of discussion viewed almost 30,000 times that didn’t get completely derailed and discussed false information being spread is truly the downside of this website.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]browndisaster wrote:
ahh fair enough. Tim McBride (sp?) comes to mind. He’s done really well all while working and raising a young family. Right now with full time school and full time work I’ve found fitting in lifting to be easy. Having a wife and kids would make things much more difficult.[/quote]

That’s fine.

But how many people are really big on this site who do that?

Please count them…especially the ones who last into their 30’s
[/quote]
Guys with good/big physiques who have wives, kids all whole working to support a family?

You’re right… There definitely aren’t many of them and when guys like that speak up, THEY should be the ones who are listened to :wink:

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]Majin wrote:
I’m all for promoting discipline and dedication that produces real transformations in people’s bodies. But I’d much rather show newbs how to measure what they eat, so that they know where they’re at and add more food as necessary. [/quote]

Measure their food?

I am all for counting macro nutrients as a newb and calories. I don’t think I have ever written otherwise. What I am against is this extreme minimalist approach in all cases. Telling newbs that no one can gain more than 2lbs of muscle in a month is fairly common here…when it is not true.

This can affect how someone “measures” their food. They start focusing more on the calculations than making sure their lifts are going up and their shirts fit tighter in the arms and chest. I truly think most beginners need to AVOID getting too precise and most damn sure don’t need to be micro-analyzing their food intake beyond those broad strokes.

Yes, count calories.

Yes, get a good idea in general of carb intake and even tolerance…but the truth is, it takes TIME before you bring out the microscope.

I see a lot of really small guys with calculators. They can explain the shit out of their food intake…and quote what the latest author has to say by heart.

They miss that that heart in the gym and the kitchen counts way more.

That is all I am discussing…take it or leave it.[/quote]

So I mention counting calories and macros, and now that’s nitpicking and microscopes to you? Meanwhile, you say you’re against a minimalist approaches, when that’s what the 6-meals rule is… great logic.

I don’t see how “6 meals a day + making sure your lifts go up” is better than “count calories and macros + making sure your lifts go up”. Just the opposite. I’d rather count everything at home and then eat whenever I like than shove meals down my throat by a random schedule pulled out of someone’s ass.

No it’s not what you’re discussing. You made a thread about frequent eating, called it such, said newbies NEED to learn to eat by the clock and made a whole series of intro posts on it. For discussion of “Lifestyle”, create a proper thread and describe the topic. Instead of saying one thing and then derailing it.

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Dis fuggin’ guy was meticulous as can be wit countin’ calories and macros from da beginnin’. And he wound up he-yooj!

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[quote]BrickHead wrote:
Dis fuggin’ guy was meticulous as can be wit countin’ calories and macros from da beginnin’. And he wound up he-yooj![/quote]

Yates and Brian Whitacre, two very successful competitors in their respective arenas (IFBB and WNBF), and both not only were insanely meticulous, but always spoke that it was very important to learn your own body by paying attention to the smaller details.

While focusing on ‘dumb shit’ (minutiae) when you’re missing the all important basics is obviously a great way to spin your wheels, I think the best way to actually make better long term progress is to learn and understand from the get go. None of the big guys I know who have been doing this long term are stupid. In fact, the biggest guys I know are some of the brightest and have been the most anal in terms of managing variables of their training and diet.

S

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It’s a shame, Majin. It really is.

I don’t really think it would matter to some of you what I actually write. You aren’t here to take any information in. If you were, you wouldn’t think I was telling people to eat “six meals a day”…when I have written about 50 times in this thread that the number doesn’t matter.

Maybe you really didn’t read me write those words…or maybe you are here to fuss about me writing at all.

However, none of that really matters anyway.

This stood out from your post though:

I think this statement is part of the issue.

The guys who got REAL big…didn’t build most of that by “eating whenever they like”. Most of them made their eating schedule a regular schedule because SHIT HAPPENS.

They did this because it ensured that NO MATTER WHAT, they would be getting those meals in.

I don’t know…maybe you don’t understand that your HABITS are what will keep you in this long term.

Maybe you don’t feel it is important to understand that in order to make it through all of those random life crises that will be thrown at you in life, we are discussing what will keep you making progress.

But hey, the truth is, if you don’t see any value in discussing that…and really can’t understand it…maybe you shouldn’t worry about reading or replying to this thread?

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
It’s a shame, Majin. It really is.

I don’t really think it would matter to some of you what I actually write. You aren’t here to take any information in. If you were, you wouldn’t think I was telling people to eat “six meals a day”…when I have written about 50 times in this thread that the number doesn’t matter.

Maybe you really didn’t read me write those words…or maybe you are here to fuss about me writing at all.

However, none of that really matters anyway.

This stood out from your post though:

I think this statement is part of the issue.

The guys who got REAL big…didn’t build most of that by “eating whenever they like”. Most of them made their eating schedule a regular schedule because SHIT HAPPENS.

They did this because it ensured that NO MATTER WHAT, they would be getting those meals in.

I don’t know…maybe you don’t understand that your HABITS are what will keep you in this long term.

Maybe you don’t feel it is important to understand that in order to make it through all of those random life crises that will be thrown at you in life, we are discussing what will keep you making progress.

But hey, the truth is, if you don’t see any value in discussing that…and really can’t understand it…maybe you shouldn’t worry about reading or replying to this thread?[/quote]
habits and getting in the meals don’t change from either approach. If your plan is to hit 6 good meals, or hit your macros, but you go to bed without doing that, then that is inconsistency and lack of a making it a habit. You’re capslocksing things that aren’t being argued.

If someone doesn’t follow their diet consistently, then yes that’s an issue. Great illuminating point, thanks guru.

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I eat a small pre-workout breakfast and a huge supper with MAG-10 throughout the day, and I train twice a day, 7 days a week. I use Surge Workout Fuel. I MAYBE eat lunch (like today - give me a break I squatted this morning - lol). I’m about 238 (with SLIGHTLY visible abs - I’m pale as fuck so it can be hard to tell - lol). I can put on weight eating and training like this without any problem (without getting fatter).

Probably no one cares but I thought I’d share my experience.

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[quote]howie424 wrote:
I eat a small pre-workout breakfast and a huge supper with MAG-10 throughout the day, and I train twice a day, 7 days a week. I use Surge Workout Fuel. I MAYBE eat lunch (like today - give me a break I squatted this morning - lol). I’m about 238 (with SLIGHTLY visible abs - I’m pale as fuck so it can be hard to tell - lol). I can put on weight eating and training like this without any problem (without getting fatter).

Probably no one cares but I thought I’d share my experience.[/quote]

No, I really do care. Well, actually I don’t but anything is better than having to read the attention-whoring drivel of a cheeseburger addict.

So, what numbers are you putting up in, say, the squat? Just trying to get an idea where you are at, given that you train so damn frequently.

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[quote]browndisaster wrote:

habits and getting in the meals don’t change from either approach. [/quote]

I would consider that to be incorrect. I would put money on the guy who makes his eating a regular activity will see more long term progress and less lay offs from random life events than someone who “eats whenever they feel like it”…at least as it concerns the beginner.

If you disagree, fine.

Prove me wrong by getting really big yet “eating whenever you feel like it” long term.

[quote]
If your plan is to hit 6 good meals, or hit your macros, but you go to bed without doing that, then that is inconsistency and lack of a making it a habit. You’re capslocksing things that aren’t being argued.

If someone doesn’t follow their diet consistently, then yes that’s an issue. Great illuminating point, thanks guru.[/quote]

Hey, once again, if you see no value here, excuse yourself. I’m not calling myself a “guru”.

I’m calling myself someone who got really big in spite of not having bodybuilding as my main priority in life…and just discussing how you do that.

Take it or leave it.

Apparently…you have much trouble just leaving it.

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[quote]infinite_shore wrote:

[quote]howie424 wrote:
I eat a small pre-workout breakfast and a huge supper with MAG-10 throughout the day, and I train twice a day, 7 days a week. I use Surge Workout Fuel. I MAYBE eat lunch (like today - give me a break I squatted this morning - lol). I’m about 238 (with SLIGHTLY visible abs - I’m pale as fuck so it can be hard to tell - lol). I can put on weight eating and training like this without any problem (without getting fatter).

Probably no one cares but I thought I’d share my experience.[/quote]

No, I really do care. Well, actually I don’t but anything is better than having to read the attention-whoring drivel of a cheeseburger addict.

So, what numbers are you putting up in, say, the squat? Just trying to get an idea where you are at, given that you train so damn frequently.[/quote]

I have to admit that I am a huge fan of hip dominant work for the lower body, so my squat is nothing to look twice at. My latest box squat is 435.

Some recent PR’s consist of a 325 high pull from blocks (the way CT does them), and a 225 power snatch. 225 or 235 push press, can’t remember which, not even bodyweight, so again nothing special. I’ll do some tomorrow and find out for ya. Itching to find out top deadlift as well since I have not done in a while. Maybe I’ll do that tomorrow too, lol.

Also, not all of my training sessions are weights. I train BJJ about 4 of those sessions per week.

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Nasser said he only ate once a day and 100 a grams of protein a day sometimes. HAHAHAHA!