[quote]Professor X wrote:
Apparently, the posters here have a disconnect with what is true and what isn’t also.
Ryan has said that 6 meals a day leads to pre-diabetes in regular trainers.
Smashingweights now says there is no study done on these people.
Why are they so confused on what is what?[/quote]
He said “may” lead to pre-diabetes…as has been pointed out to you several times already.
[quote]Smashingweights wrote:
[quote]ryanbCXG wrote:
TC the writer from here has labs to back up that yes “healthy” 6 meals and lifting can lead to pre diabetes.
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I would love for TC to chime in here.[/quote]
Will do! Admittedly, while there are no studies I’m aware of explicitly involving weight lifters and long-time multiple feedings per day, we know this: when you eat all the time, insulin levels are always high, and you’re stuck in fat storing mode. The pancreas reacts by pumping out every increasing amounts of insulin, which leads to insulin insensitivity.
However, even after a few hours of simple fasting, the body turns off fat storing and turns to fat burning.
[quote]UtahLama wrote:
He said “may” lead to pre-diabetes…as has been pointed out to you several times already.[/quote]
Quote from Ryan:
Uh huh.
[quote]TC wrote:
[quote]Smashingweights wrote:
[quote]ryanbCXG wrote:
TC the writer from here has labs to back up that yes “healthy” 6 meals and lifting can lead to pre diabetes.
[/quote]
I would love for TC to chime in here.[/quote]
Will do! Admittedly, while there are no studies I’m aware of explicitly involving weight lifters and long-time multiple feedings per day, we know this: when you eat all the time, insulin levels are always high, and you’re stuck in fat storing mode. The pancreas reacts by pumping out every increasing amounts of insulin, which leads to insulin insensitivity.
However, even after a few hours of simple fasting, the body turns off fat storing and turns to fat burning.[/quote]
First thanks for responding.
Now, let’s look at the guy trying to literally be huge and turn sideways to walk through doors.
Those insulin spikes are exactly what will help build all of that muscle. Keeping insulin surges IN CONTROL is the goal, not eliminating them. That is held for fat loss stages of training.
Extreme muscle mass isn’t built in the absence of one of the most anabolic hormones in the human body.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]UtahLama wrote:
He said “may” lead to pre-diabetes…as has been pointed out to you several times already.[/quote]
Quote from Ryan:
Uh huh.[/quote]
You don’t even lie well anymore Prof.
Good try tho.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Those insulin spikes are exactly what will help build all of that muscle. Keeping insulin surges IN CONTROL is the goal, not eliminating them.
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Isn’t that exactly what fasting does? Keeps the insulin surges ‘controlled’, aka in a certain window of time? This isn’t sarcasm, but an honest question.
[quote]UtahLama wrote:
You don’t even lie well anymore Prof.
Good try tho.[/quote]
Actually, Utah, Ryan lied about TC here:
[quote]ryanbCXG wrote:
TC the writer from here has labs to back up that yes “healthy” 6 meals and lifting can lead to pre diabetes.
Speaking of not adding anything to the forums. How are you[/quote]
That was on the previous page…just in case you want to act like it didn’t happen.
Moving on, apparently there is no evidence of this.
It makes me wonder why all of the false statements Ryan made earlier are tolerated when they can screw up the progress and knowledge base of newbs.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]TC wrote:
[quote]Smashingweights wrote:
[quote]ryanbCXG wrote:
TC the writer from here has labs to back up that yes “healthy” 6 meals and lifting can lead to pre diabetes.
[/quote]
I would love for TC to chime in here.[/quote]
Will do! Admittedly, while there are no studies I’m aware of explicitly involving weight lifters and long-time multiple feedings per day, we know this: when you eat all the time, insulin levels are always high, and you’re stuck in fat storing mode. The pancreas reacts by pumping out every increasing amounts of insulin, which leads to insulin insensitivity.
However, even after a few hours of simple fasting, the body turns off fat storing and turns to fat burning.[/quote]
First thanks for responding.
Now, let’s look at the guy trying to literally be huge and turn sideways to walk through doors.
Those insulin spikes are exactly what will help build all of that muscle. Keeping insulin surges IN CONTROL is the goal, not eliminating them. That is held for fat loss stages of training.
Extreme muscle mass isn’t built in the absence of one of the most anabolic hormones in the human body.[/quote]
Hope I didn’t convey the notion that I wanted to eliminate insulin spikes entirely.
No, control them is correct, but I pretty much only want them elevated just before, during, and especially after a workout, when insulin sensitivity is highest.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Conclusion:
People think Sergio fasted even though he ate like a horse.
People think studies on sedentary people apply directly to serious weight lifters with 20" arms who eat all day and train everyday.
Simply put…there seems to be a bunch of bullshit that is now “bro science”.
Once again, the goal here was to find out what has led to the biggest muscles…and the more extreme physiques.
According to Sergio…you had better make eating a pretty big part of the equation if your goal is to be really built.[/quote]
How in the fuck, in all that shit you posted, did you come to that conclusion, and whoever said otherwise? In the fucking interview you posted he claimed tgat he ate once a day, tgen that he ate a lot while lifting for Cuba, then drank a gallon of milk while eating once a day. There was literally no point in ANY of that where he said he ate frequently. He actually claimed otherwise several times, yet you’re STILL trying to argue otherwise. Good lord you have issues.
[quote]TC wrote:
Hope I didn’t convey the notion that I wanted to eliminate insulin spikes entirely.
No, control them is correct, but I pretty much only want them elevated just before, during, and especially after a workout, when insulin sensitivity is highest.
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…and I would say that is more the goal for the ADVANCED ATHLETE or weight trainer whop already understands what it takes to create that anabolic environment and already has a decent understanding of their own body.
Look, I agree that “periworkout” nutrition is a very useful tool. It can help move your training in a very positive direction…but it is not all.
Guys were getting mega swole back when Sergio was competing and they weren’t only eating around workout times.
Once again, I am asking what builds the BIGGEST muscles…not what allows someone to get through a workout alone.
I don’t get it.
You base your “finding” on what you see, hear and experienced (either first hand or second hand as in reading, etc) and so does CT (although, he quotes whenever he can.) Yet, he is wrong and you are right.
You keep saying “someone trying to get big”. Lets look at that. No couch potato mentioned.
You work out 1-3 hours a day, 3-6 days a week. That’s between 3 and 18 hours a week. You want people to keep their insulin up for (an average here of 14 hours a day) 98 hours a week. Why? If their insulin is not spiked in the morning and they work out in the afternoon they will never get big? As per your anecdote?
You concentrated on Sergio’s diet to prove someone wrong. I hope you got satisfaction out of that. I gave you Nubret (1-2 meals a day)and I know that if you give me a little more time, I would find more.
Ill keep it short here. Stop using the “show me a big guy that doesn’t (whatever is being argued at the time) and I’ll prove you wrong”. you see, you have not met all big guys in the world. you base yourself solely on personal experience (see above). Again, nothing wrong with that.
All I really know is that to get big, you need lots of food. You can argue insulin spike all you want, it remains that there is more then one way to skin a cat.
I am so glad CT is posting.
[quote]JFG wrote:
I don’t get it.
You base your “finding” on what you see, hear and experienced (either first hand or second hand as in reading, etc) and so does CT (although, he quotes whenever he can.) Yet, he is wrong and you are right.
You keep saying “someone trying to get big”. Lets look at that. No couch potato mentioned.
You work out 1-3 hours a day, 3-6 days a week. That’s between 3 and 18 hours a week. You want people to keep their insulin up for (an average here of 14 hours a day) 98 hours a week. Why? If their insulin is not spiked in the morning and they work out in the afternoon they will never get big? As per your anecdote?
You concentrated on Sergio’s diet to prove someone wrong. I hope you got satisfaction out of that. I gave you Nubret (1-2 meals a day)and I know that if you give me a little more time, I would find more.
Ill keep it short here. Stop using the “show me a big guy that doesn’t (whatever is being argued at the time) and I’ll prove you wrong”. you see, you have not met all big guys in the world. you base yourself solely on personal experience (see above). Again, nothing wrong with that.
All I really know is that to get big, you need lots of food. You can argue insulin spike all you want, it remains that there is more then one way to skin a cat.
I am so glad CT is posting.[/quote]
If you read what I wrote, he actually proved me right. I never said Olivia didn’t eat “like a horse”. I said that he ate infrequently, which was substantiated several times throughout the posted interview. Ol’ X sucks at reading comprehension.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]BulletproofTiger wrote:
Fasting certainly helps heal the GI, if there is inflammation. Eating the right things and avoiding the wrong things most likely does a better job of healing (and more importantly preventing) this.
IF (fasting) is good for getting ripped, but losing body fat really is about staying ‘sensibly hungry’ insn’t it?
I believe (without solid proof) that any evidence showing digestion is improved by fasting, is probably founded in healing symptoms of leaky gut. Restoring gut flora and reducing inflammation will undoubtedly improve digestion (moreso that fasting).
Fasting allows the body to heal because it haults the assault of inflammatory/allergenic foods. These foods can vary from person to person, but grains and sugar are the two biggest perpetrators… Raw milk, especially if fermented WON’T cause GI issues in hardly anyone, especially after a period of healing the leaky gut (through healing diet and supplements). But RAW milk is often expensive, hard to find, and possibly, if you’re caught with it, will result in stiff penalties.
Regarding insulin elevation, have you heard of the velocity diet?
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I agree with you here in a general sense but this is like the use of “colon cleansers”. Eating healthily most of the time trumps the odd use of it without that aspect.[/quote]
I agree. I totally hear you and understand where you missed my point, as I wasn’t clear… when I was talking about inflammation, I didn’t mean the average person, and certainly not a typical bodybuilder eating a mostly clean diet. I am talking about someone like myself who battles with gut issues on a semi or completely regular basis.
[quote]TC wrote:
[quote]Smashingweights wrote:
[quote]ryanbCXG wrote:
TC the writer from here has labs to back up that yes “healthy” 6 meals and lifting can lead to pre diabetes.
[/quote]
I would love for TC to chime in here.[/quote]
Will do! Admittedly, while there are no studies I’m aware of explicitly involving weight lifters and long-time multiple feedings per day, we know this: when you eat all the time, insulin levels are always high, and you’re stuck in fat storing mode. The pancreas reacts by pumping out every increasing amounts of insulin, which leads to insulin insensitivity.
However, even after a few hours of simple fasting, the body turns off fat storing and turns to fat burning.[/quote]
Thanks for sharing!
It’s good to have you around BSL.
I hope you post more often.
This is Arnold Schwarzenegger’s Level II diet plan. ( Arnold Schwarzenegger’s Encyclopedia of Modern Bodybuilding)
Breakfast:
3 eggs poached or any style
1/4 pound meat, fish, fowl, or cheese
8 ounces whole milk
1 or 2 slices of whole-grain toast with butter
Lunch:
1/2 pound meat, fish, fowl, or cheese (or any combination)
2 slices whole-grain bread with butter
8 ounces whole milk
1 pecie fresh fruit
Dinner:
1/2 pound meat, fish, fowl, or cheese (or any combination)
Baked or boiled white or sweet potato
Large Raw salad
This is also similar to the diet given to us in high school football summer weight training program to gain weight.
Latest studies show that it may be wrong to consider insulin as the most “anabolic agent” in the body. Boosting insulin levels beyond a simple whey shake post-wo showed no increases in protein synthesis nor a decrease in muscle protein breakdown. In fact, doing so was making it worse. Interesting, as it goes against common nutritional practices + PED use of insulin.
Just saying…
[quote]Smashingweights wrote:
[quote]TC wrote:
[quote]Smashingweights wrote:
[quote]ryanbCXG wrote:
TC the writer from here has labs to back up that yes “healthy” 6 meals and lifting can lead to pre diabetes.
[/quote]
I would love for TC to chime in here.[/quote]
Will do! Admittedly, while there are no studies I’m aware of explicitly involving weight lifters and long-time multiple feedings per day, we know this: when you eat all the time, insulin levels are always high, and you’re stuck in fat storing mode. The pancreas reacts by pumping out every increasing amounts of insulin, which leads to insulin insensitivity.
However, even after a few hours of simple fasting, the body turns off fat storing and turns to fat burning.[/quote]
Thanks for sharing!
It’s good to have you around BSL.
I hope you post more often.[/quote]
Me too.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]Smashingweights wrote:
There are no studies done on the people you just described…[/quote]
Ryan said that they were.
Why are you not trying to stop the disinformation happening here?[/quote]
Ryan never said. That learn to read
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]UtahLama wrote:
He said “may” lead to pre-diabetes…as has been pointed out to you several times already.[/quote]
Quote from Ryan:
Uh huh.[/quote]
Yes can. Not will sweet fuck god you suck at reading
If you haven’t figured it out by now there is no peaceful interactions with PX.
My plan, and I hope others will join me so that actual discussion can take place, is to interact with posters who can have adult conversations.
I am very much interested in hearing an TC and Stu have to say regarding this topic.
That doesn’t mean I don’t want to hear from the rest of you guys 
I just won’t be replying to PX’s word games anymore and hope others that always seemed to get sucked into the PX Vortex will follow suit.
Let the actual discussion finally begin!
TC & Stu specifically,
How do you feel about meal frequency and meal timing?
We all know that peri workout nutrition is extremely important but why?
Why is the peri workout window so important?
Does the factors contributing to its importance change as a lifter goes from beginner to intermediate to advanced?
What are your thoughts on intermittent fasting?
What are your thoughts on the magical “40 grams of protein” per sitting mentality?
Thanks again and I hope others feel free to chime in with their experiences and any other added info I may have forgotten 
