[quote]lixy wrote:
You must have missed the part where Iranians do not invade other countries.
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Where does it say that? And who says so?
[quote]lixy wrote:
None. But then again, I didn’t kill, maim or orphaned any either.
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But you support those who do. You know, “the Freedom Fighters”. You bitch because we “brought Al-Qaeda to Iraq” on one hand, yet say you support those trying to defeat us on the battlefield. How can you possibly reconcile this?
Hey guys, youre all awesome. I just hate when guys that I have fought with have died, and you have these kids, who at the absolute worst have missed their allowance from mommy, or was sent to bed without ice cream.
I hate to see THEIR names defiled by jerks who care more about the feelings of some terrorists, and want to feel like they know everything about life.
So, if youre going to be ignorant lixy, at least be respectful, and remember, my guys are probably just around your age. Imagine rolling out in the middle only to get outside the wire and get contact, then imagine that youll never be able to tell your mom, dad, wife, newborn son, that you love them…
maybe then youll understand the difference between right and wrong
RLTW!
[quote]TeufelHundren wrote:
Hey guys, youre all awesome. I just hate when guys that I have fought with have died, and you have these kids, who at the absolute worst have missed their allowance from mommy, or was sent to bed without ice cream.
I hate to see THEIR names defiled by jerks who care more about the feelings of some terrorists, and want to feel like they know everything about life.
So, if youre going to be ignorant lixy, at least be respectful, and remember, my guys are probably just around your age. Imagine rolling out in the middle only to get outside the wire and get contact, then imagine that youll never be able to tell your mom, dad, wife, newborn son, that you love them…
maybe then youll understand the difference between right and wrong
RLTW![/quote]
Thank you for your sacrifice. If there is anything - anything at all - that you, or anyone in your unit needs, please let me know.
[quote]rainjack wrote:
Thank you for your sacrifice. If there is anything - anything at all - that you, or anyone in your unit needs, please let me know. [/quote]
Thanks man, I know we all appreciate it, and we know that there are people like you in the states, and you are the ones we keep fighting these guys for.
as far as helping, can I have your muscles?
Hey Lixy,
Just to let you know your not alone on this site full of right wing nut-jobs.=)
To the rest of you,
how can you think what we are doing in Iraq is right? just look at history. Korea. even though we “won that war” we still have troops over there. we will never leave iraq.
BUSH FUCKED US OVER!!!
[quote]Mark Mabry wrote:
Hey Lixy,
Just to let you know your not alone on this site full of right wing nut-jobs.=)
To the rest of you,
how can you think what we are doing in Iraq is right? just look at history. Korea. even though we “won that war” we still have troops over there. we will never leave iraq.
BUSH FUCKED US OVER!!![/quote]
again, what do you know about the war. PLEASE, people dont talk about what we are doing there as being right or wrong. Myself, and my battle’s are over there maintaining this country, feeding the kids, building schools, power plants, TV stations, whatever. I dont care if you talk about the decision to go, that decision was made here.
but dont talk about right and wrong over there, you get your information from talking heads on the TV, and they dont even know.
[quote]TeufelHundren wrote:
Mark Mabry wrote:
Hey Lixy,
Just to let you know your not alone on this site full of right wing nut-jobs.=)
To the rest of you,
how can you think what we are doing in Iraq is right? just look at history. Korea. even though we “won that war” we still have troops over there. we will never leave iraq.
BUSH FUCKED US OVER!!!
again, what do you know about the war. PLEASE, people dont talk about what we are doing there as being right or wrong. Myself, and my battle’s are over there maintaining this country, feeding the kids, building schools, power plants, TV stations, whatever. I dont care if you talk about the decision to go, that decision was made here.
but dont talk about right and wrong over there, you get your information from talking heads on the TV, and they dont even know.
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We get it, Teuf. You don’t like talking about the decision to bomb and invade Iraq. You don’t like the idea that the institution you belong to has turned Iraq into a hellhole and a terrorist breeding ground. You probably like to think of your fallen fellow soldiers as heroes. You don’t particularly care about the cost to the Iraqi people. The billions of dollars the American people have been (and are still) paying because you have a belligerent nutjob in the White House matters not to you.
The concept of right and wrong is very blurry for soldiers. As a general rule, in this sort of situation, the victor is always right. And no matter what you say, the crushing majority of people considers you part of a horrible and criminal endeavor. But you don’t care. Well, you shouldn’t if you want to be able to do your job. You’re not paid to think. You’re paid to execute what politicians tell you to do. And it always helps to waive a flag and tell yourself that you’re defending your motherland and spreading freedom. Nothing new really, it’s the way it has always been done.
[quote]Mark Mabry wrote:
Hey Lixy,
Just to let you know your not alone on this site full of right wing nut-jobs.=)
how can you think what we are doing in Iraq is right? just look at history. Korea. even though we “won that war” we still have troops over there. [/quote]
It is obvious that you are an uneducated person…Im sry misinformed b/c the Korean war never ended, that is why we are still there. That is why we are still there and you need to do some research on North Korea b/c they were just as bad if not worse than China.
If you dont believe me then lessen to what Sir Charles has to say
LoL…now thats funy
Back to the “real Iraq”.
More than 70 people have been killed in blasts at three cities in Iraq, in one of the deadliest days there for weeks.
Iraqi Unit Flees Post, Despite American�??s Plea
[i]BAGHDAD �?? A company of Iraqi soldiers abandoned their positions on Tuesday night in Sadr City, defying American soldiers who implored them to hold the line against Shiite militias.
The retreat left a crucial stretch of road on the front lines undefended for hours and led to a tense series of exchanges between American soldiers and about 50 Iraqi troops who were fleeing.[/i]
[quote]lixy wrote:
The concept of right and wrong is very blurry for soldiers. As a general rule, in this sort of situation, the victor is always right. And no matter what you say, the crushing majority of people considers you part of a horrible and criminal endeavor. But you don’t care. Well, you shouldn’t if you want to be able to do your job. You’re not paid to think. You’re paid to execute what politicians tell you to do. And it always helps to waive a flag and tell yourself that you’re defending your motherland and spreading freedom. Nothing new really, it’s the way it has always been done.[/quote]
So tell us what is right or what is wrong?
Strapping a 10 year old kid with a pipe bomb?
or
Having to make the call to shoot that kid before he gets close enough to you or anyone else before the bomb is detonated kill you, me or anyone else with in 20ft? Which one is criminal?
Now Teuf might be some what naive for saying what he did but I cant fault him for it b/c you Dont know what it is like for us. You may have a strong opinion but I dont see you trying to make a difference or “taking up the good fight” against the U.S. You have NO right to tell a Soldier anything about whats is right or wrong and to call us criminal…I cant begin to emphasize my depth of my disgust.
[quote]TeufelHundren wrote:
…but until you can give me ACTUAL evidence you will NEVER convince this guy that anything I have done or my country has done has been anything detrimental to the people of Iraq.
Dont let big brother control your thoughts.[/quote]
Teufel, you don’t think that the Iraq war - so far at least - has been detrimental to Iraq and the Iraqi people??
[quote]Himora22 wrote:
So tell us what is right or what is wrong?
Strapping a 10 year old kid with a pipe bomb?
or
Having to make the call to shoot that kid before he gets close enough to you or anyone else before the bomb is detonated kill you, me or anyone else with in 20ft? Which one is criminal?[/quote]
Obviously, the first one. But that’s a false dichotomy right there.
For starters, I never heard of anyone “strapping a 10 year old kid with a pipe bomb” in Iraq before the 2003 invasion. And I can tell you that I would have no issues giving my teen aged nephew a weapon if he wants to go after the invaders had somebody attacked and occupied my country. I would certainly try to kill as many of the invaders and their minions as possible. If that would make me a terrorist in your eyes, so be it.
I have no right taking up the fight beyond what I’m doing here. That would make me no better than the very people I condemn. This is a fight that should only involve the Iraqis. If a bunch of them decides to kick out the oppressor, they have my deepest sympathies.
I agree that I do not have the right to you or anyone here a criminal. To the best of my knowledge, I never did so. I think that invading Iraq was textbook war of aggression, and as such, the supreme crime. I know that some American soldiers (if not most) went into Iraq well-intentioned. That is obvious. But it doesn’t mean that they’re not part of that blatant act of aggression. A lot of them deserted or are jailed because they refused to be deployed. Not because they’re cowards or anything of the sort. I’m sure many of them would take a bullet for their country if it was actually in danger.
That being said, I do have the right to reference “right or wrong” when talking about the American attack and invasion of Iraq. It was WRONG on every single level. Deal with it! Of course, the line is now blurred out given that the place was transformed into a terrorist haven and that, overall, the American troops seem to be helping get rid of the very thing they caused.
Iraq’s security situation has improved lately, and Al-Qaeda is taking a beating. That’s good. Al-Maliki and the Americans are trying to squash Al-Sadr and keep him and his followers as isolated as possible, and that’s bad. In the grand scheme of things, the different Iraqi factions will not resolve their differences until the Americans leave. You can bribe them to lay low for a while, or you can even coerce them into temporary submission, but they will naturally rise back. Ask any European about his/her country’s experiences in the matter.
[quote]lixy wrote:
Obviously, the first one. But that’s a false dichotomy right there.
For starters, I never heard of anyone “strapping a 10 year old kid with a pipe bomb” in Iraq before the 2003 invasion. And I can tell you that I would have no issues giving my teen aged nephew a weapon if he wants to go after the invaders had somebody attacked and occupied my country. I would certainly try to kill as many of the invaders and their minions as possible. If that would make me a terrorist in your eyes, so be it.
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How is that a false dichotomy? Dose it really matter if it was before or after 2003? Dose right and wrong change that much? Would you strap that bomb to your pre-pubescent (not teen) nephew with out his understanding? And would use push the button to sacrifice him and 10-20 innocents or “minions” to kill 2 or 3 “invaders”?
[quote]lixy wrote:
Himora22 wrote:
So tell us what is right or what is wrong?
Strapping a 10 year old kid with a pipe bomb?
or
Having to make the call to shoot that kid before he gets close enough to you or anyone else before the bomb is detonated kill you, me or anyone else with in 20ft? Which one is criminal?
Obviously, the first one. But that’s a false dichotomy right there.
For starters, I never heard of anyone “strapping a 10 year old kid with a pipe bomb” in Iraq before the 2003 invasion. And I can tell you that I would have no issues giving my teen aged nephew a weapon if he wants to go after the invaders had somebody attacked and occupied my country. I would certainly try to kill as many of the invaders and their minions as possible. If that would make me a terrorist in your eyes, so be it.
Now Teuf might be some what naive for saying what he did but I can fault him for it b/c you Dont know what it is like for us. I may have a strong opinion but I dont see you trying to make a difference or “taking up the good fight” against the U.S. You have NO right to tell a Soldier anything about whats is right or wrong and to call us criminal…I cant begin to emphasize my depth of my disgust.
I have no right taking up the fight beyond what I’m doing here. That would make me no better than the very people I condemn. This is a fight that should only involve the Iraqis. If a bunch of them decides to kick out the oppressor, they have my deepest sympathies.
I agree that I do not have the right to you or anyone here a criminal. To the best of my knowledge, I never did so. I think that invading Iraq was textbook war of aggression, and as such, the supreme crime. I know that some American soldiers (if not most) went into Iraq well-intentioned. That is obvious. But it doesn’t mean that they’re not part of that blatant act of aggression. A lot of them deserted or are jailed because they refused to be deployed. Not because they’re cowards or anything of the sort. I’m sure many of them would take a bullet for their country if it was actually in danger.
That being said, I do have the right to reference “right or wrong” when talking about the American attack and invasion of Iraq. It was WRONG on every single level. Deal with it! Of course, the line is now blurred out given that the place was transformed into a terrorist haven and that, overall, the American troops seem to be helping get rid of the very thing they caused.
Iraq’s security situation has improved lately, and Al-Qaeda is taking a beating. That’s good. Al-Maliki and the Americans are trying to squash Al-Sadr and keep him and his followers as isolated as possible, and that’s bad. In the grand scheme of things, the different Iraqi factions will not resolve their differences until the Americans leave. You can bribe them to lay low for a while, or you can even coerce them into temporary submission, but they will naturally rise back. Ask any European about his/her country’s experiences in the matter.[/quote]
you’re so full of shit…and you know it.
[quote]Himora22 wrote:
lixy wrote:
Obviously, the first one. But that’s a false dichotomy right there.
For starters, I never heard of anyone “strapping a 10 year old kid with a pipe bomb” in Iraq before the 2003 invasion. And I can tell you that I would have no issues giving my teen aged nephew a weapon if he wants to go after the invaders had somebody attacked and occupied my country. I would certainly try to kill as many of the invaders and their minions as possible. If that would make me a terrorist in your eyes, so be it.
How is that a false dichotomy? Dose it really matter if it was before or after 2003? Dose right and wrong change that much? [/quote]
Wikify yourself!
“The informal fallacy of false dilemma involves a situation in which only two alternatives are considered, when in fact there are other options. This fallacy is also called false dichotomy, the either-or fallacy, and bifurcation. Closely related are failing to consider a range of options, called the law of the excluded middle, and the tendency to think in extremes, called black-and-white thinking.”
I don’t have a “pre-pubescent” nephew, but no, I would never hurt a single innocent even if it is to kill a thousands of invaders. I don’t compromise when it comes to innocent human life.
[quote]lixy wrote:
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For starters, I never heard of anyone “strapping a 10 year old kid with a pipe bomb” in Iraq before the 2003 invasion. …[/quote]
Saddam just killed them with conventional and chemical weapons. He isn’t doing that anymore.
[quote]lixy wrote:
… I don’t compromise when it comes to innocent human life.[/quote]
We have seen your definition of innocent. A rape victim is not innocent because she is in a car with a man.