I would never have thought that Iran would give weapons away. Isn’t that a cardinal sin or something?
Or are they selling arms to Hezbollah and Sadr’s men?
Either way, their slime.
Hey, did Iran vote to keep supporting the terrorists?
Great.
Here is an interesting article on Iran.
and a positive one on Iraq:
http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1727692,00.html?xid=rss-topstories
[quote]Sloth wrote:
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Although I’m still waiting for an answer to my question, this latest development might help you see things from the perspective of average Iraqi.
As many as 20 Iraqis killed in clashes between Sadr’s militia and U.S.
[i]The fighting is the most serious thus far between the two sides. Iraq leaders call for the preacher to disband his army.
BAGHDAD – Fighting between Shiite cleric Muqtada Sadr’s Mahdi Army militia and U.S.-led forces paralyzed Baghdad’s Sadr City today and left up to 20 Iraqis dead as the Iraqi government issued a call for the radical preacher to dissolve his militia.[/i]
Pity.
US soldiers killed in Green Zone
[i]Three US service personnel have been killed and 31 wounded by rocket attacks on the Green Zone and a base elsewhere in Baghdad, the US military has said.
The rocket attack at 1530 (1230 GMT) on the Green Zone, which houses government offices and foreign embassies, killed two personnel and wounded at least 17.
A separate attack at the same time on a forward operating base in the Rustamiya district killed another and injured 14. [/i]
Why don’t you get a job with the BBC? You could be their inbedded reporter in Sadr City.
Rogue I admire you for making a decision to go to Iraq…I think that takes balls…however this war I truly do not agree with…and I am sure I will be bashed on this right dominated forum. Which is all good…be safe.
Analysis by the BBC (emphasis mine):
[i]New challenge
The limitations of the Iraqi army and police were exposed in the recent fighting with members of the Shia militia, the Mehdi Army.
Militiamen loyal to Moqtadr Sadr celebrate after destroying an Iraqi army vehicle in Baghdad on 6 April
The Iraqi forces, with their tanks, heavy weaponry and the support of coalition aircraft, faced tough resistance from militiamen fighting with machine-guns, mortars and rocket-propelled grenades.
The worst fighting appears to be over, after the Shia cleric Moqtada Sadr, who is the inspiration for the Mehdi Army, called his men off the streets.
This was a tactical withdrawal, not a defeat. The fighters still have their weapons and sporadic clashes continue which could develop into another round of widespread conflict.
The Americans have been keen to portray the fighting in Basra as a breakthrough.
“This was an Iraqi operation conceived, planned, executed by the Iraqi security forces under the prime minister’s direction”, said Ambassador Crocker at a recent briefing to journalists.
"There has been a lot of discussion on problems in planning and in execution, and that may be perfectly valid.
“But this, nonetheless, is still an undertaking that the Iraqis simply have not been able to embark on before.”
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One thing the fighting did prove is that the Sadrist movement cannot be defeated by military means alone.
There were many desertions in the Iraqi security forces. A government source says more than 1,000 soldiers and policemen refused to fight.[/b]
Instead, American and British forces were drawn into the clashes in Basra, Baghdad and many towns in southern Iraq.
The struggle for Basra was begun by the Prime Minister, Nouri Maliki, who spoke about the need to rid the city of “criminals and outlaws”, but it was characterised by many as an ill-advised power grab by the Shia governing coalition against its political rivals in the Sadrist movement.
All of this comes ahead of provincial elections, which are due to be held in the autumn.
The American administration has pushed for the poll, but it may strengthen Moqtada Sadr, rather than weaken him.
Now Nouri Maliki is demanding that the Mehdi Army give up its weapons if it wants to contest the poll. [/i]
[quote]Sloth wrote:
Well, yeah. Iran doesn’t want to see all the training and smuggled weapons wiped out in an open conflict. Who will shoot women for not covering themselves if that happened? They can’t afford for Iraqi and US forces to fight an all out battle, stopping only when Sadr and his minions are annihilated.
They prefer more unconvetional attacks by “rogue” elements of the Sadrists. So, a little rest for now, but the militias will be back out on the street, terrorizing young women. Those big tough guys.[/quote]
Exactly correct.
Ha! What did I tell you all along? The so-called surge wasn’t quite temporary. You watch! If the US ever gets out of Iraq, I’ll happily eat my underwear.
US ‘must suspend’ Iraq withdrawal
The top US military leader in Iraq Gen David Petraeus has recommended a suspension of troop withdrawals after July to protect gains in Iraq.
Meanwhile, Afghanistan is pretty much forgotten…
Since it has been a success, why should we leave now? We took down a dictator and gave the Iraqi people the right to choose their own fate. They choose to kill each other. Would you like us to leave so the place turns into a worse blood bath? What would your Iranian friends do if we left? Invade and kill even more people? Who would you blame then?
[quote]Gkhan wrote:
Since it has been a success, why should we leave now? We took down a dictator and gave the Iraqi people the right to choose their own fate. They choose to kill each other. Would you like us to leave so the place turns into a worse blood bath? [/quote]
I would like you to admit that what the Iraqis suffered at the hands of the US military was pure aggression.
You must have missed the part where Iranians do not invade other countries.
A better question is who we should blame now for the terrorist haven Iraq turned into.
More reality…
Attacks mark Baghdad anniversary
[i]At least six people have been killed in mortar attacks in Baghdad on the fifth anniversary of the city’s capture by American forces.
The attacks, in the Sadr City district of the city, came as the capital observed a vehicle curfew.
Shia cleric Moqtada Sadr had called for a mass anti-American rally, but cancelled it amid security concerns.
It is five years since US troops pulled down a large statue of the late Saddam Hussein in the city centre.
Witnesses and officials told the BBC that one mortar exploded at a funeral wake, killing one person and wounding unknown others.
A second mortar landed on a building, killing five.
Baghdad’s Green Zone, which houses diplomatic missions and much of Iraq’s government, also came under mortar fire but there are no reports of injuries.
Cars and motorcycles have been banned from the streets until midnight (2100 GMT), the Iraqi government said.
People have been mostly staying at home, reports say.
Clashes overnight in Sadr City between Iraqi and US forces and militiamen loyal to the cleric left at least 12 people dead, medical workers said. [/i]
Secret US plan for military future in Iraq
[i]A confidential draft agreement covering the future of US forces in Iraq, passed to the Guardian, shows that provision is being made for an open-ended military presence in the country.
The draft strategic framework agreement between the US and Iraqi governments, dated March 7 and marked “secret” and “sensitive”, is intended to replace the existing UN mandate and authorises the US to “conduct military operations in Iraq and to detain individuals when necessary for imperative reasons of security” without time limit.[/i]
Is anyone surprised? Not me.
This is hilarious. Ive read the majority of these posts, and ive seen a lot of nay saying about the war.
then you have some, who will remain unmentioned, who post up ridiculous news threads from 3rd party media interests, not even in the United States. News threads that speak of “secret US plans for Iraq”.
Now Instead of scouring news sites who have no other interest than smearing the face of the U.S. Why dont you be a real man and figure out for yourself what is going on. Im an E-5 in the U.S. Army and I have been to OIF 1 with the initial invasion, and just recently returned from OIF 3. I have seen great strides that have taken place, as well as the terrible side of human nature.
The war itself is a war of ideals, there is no Adolf Hitler, there is no Kruschev, there is no ultimo hombre to kill, this isnt wolfenstein, this is a fight for survival. The Fatwah issued by Osama Bin Laden in 1999 clearly states that this war will be fought either on a front that we create, or they will pursue the infidels until their back is broken.
Now I know that people are going to scream “but hussein didnt have ties with Al Qaeda!” The point is, he did, there are evident financial ties between the ba’athist party and AQ. Also the fact that Saddam Hussein slaughtered hundred of thousands of his own people means no nevermind to you.
all that aside, the war in Iraq has become the frontline for the war on terror where countless terrorist groups flood toward so they can get a piece of the US. AQI (Al Qaeda in Iraq) just so happens to be the largest organization in Iraq, again bringing up ties between the country and Al Qaeda.
So again before you start spouting some rhetoric from England, or whatever country you decide to get your news from, do your own research, if you dont want to join the Army, join the Peace Corps. Stop relying on pundits as the basis for your entire argument.
I would much rather fight the terrorists in their backyard than mine.
RLTW!
[quote]lixy wrote:
Secret US plan for military future in Iraq
[i]A confidential draft agreement covering the future of US forces in Iraq, passed to the Guardian, shows that provision is being made for an open-ended military presence in the country.
The draft strategic framework agreement between the US and Iraqi governments, dated March 7 and marked “secret” and “sensitive”, is intended to replace the existing UN mandate and authorises the US to “conduct military operations in Iraq and to detain individuals when necessary for imperative reasons of security” without time limit.[/i]
Is anyone surprised? Not me.[/quote]
O and Lixy. Stop talking about my country. Young punks who havent done anything in their lives need not talk about right and wrong. How many starving kids have you given food to in Iraq. Im willing to bet its not as much as the U.S. How many people have you rescued from tyrants, probably none.
So go back to making furniture, and leave the saving the world to the big boys.
[quote]TeufelHundren wrote:
Now I know that people are going to scream “but hussein didnt have ties with Al Qaeda!” The point is, he did, there are evident financial ties between the ba’athist party and AQ. [/quote]
Give it up. That horse turned into compost.
[quote]TeufelHundren wrote:
O and Lixy. Stop talking about my country. [/quote]
Get your country to stop bombing, killing and maiming in wars of aggression, and I promise not to talk about US foreign policy ever again.
I don’t need to do anything besides absorb nutrients, piss, shit and sleep. I choose to bitch about the hellhole Iraq was turned into post-2003 because I was among the millions screaming in the streets of world capitals at a time when most Americans seemed to have lost all common sense.
Trust me, I’d rather we be talking about something else.
None. But then again, I didn’t kill, maim or orphaned any either.
See above.
Team America FTW!
[quote]lixy wrote:
TeufelHundren wrote:
O and Lixy. Stop talking about my country.
Get your country to stop bombing, killing and maiming in wars of aggression, and I promise not to talk about US foreign policy ever again.
Young punks who havent done anything in their lives need not talk about right and wrong.
I don’t need to do anything besides absorb nutrients, piss, shit and sleep. I choose to bitch about the hellhole Iraq was turned into post-2003 because I was among the millions screaming in the streets of world capitals at a time when most Americans seemed to have lost all common sense.
Trust me, I’d rather we be talking about something else.
How many starving kids have you given food to in Iraq. Im willing to bet its not as much as the U.S.
None. But then again, I didn’t kill, maim or orphaned any either.
How many people have you rescued from tyrants, probably none.
See above.
So go back to making furniture, and leave the saving the world to the big boys.
Team America FTW![/quote]
I have fought AQ fighters, I have arrested them, and have seen them turned over to the Iraqi court system. So dont try and tell me about something that is happening there, because I have spent three years of my life in that particular sandbox. ill retract the previous statement about AQ. howabout the millions of terrorist networks that have exsisted in Iraq since the founding of the BOI in the early 1900’s. Any nation that harbors and/or safeguards any terrorist network cannot expect any type of understanding.
you still have yet to address the hundreds of thousands that saddam slaughtered, the raped women, the murdered families. That means nothing?
Are we supposed to ignore the fact that someone was threatening the United States with chemical weapons for the better part of a decade. He did threaten us, this is not up for debate, he had to. What would have stopped Iran from invading if the threat of chemical/biological weapons was not present? well he definitely threatened the wrong guy.
again, you have provided no support about the illegality or even the immorality, you just keep reposting rhetoric that you probably watched in some michael moore documentary. I mean, did you just come to the “liberalism rocks” phase of your life or are you just following those millions that you protested with.
as far as maiming children, ive never seen it from any of my guys. those people loved my fire team, ive given out thousands of MRE’s and fucking whopper meals to countless Iraqis, and pounds of candy to their kids, so go ahead, call me a baby killer, do what you like, but until you can give me ACTUAL evidence you will NEVER convince this guy that anything I have done or my country has done has been anything detrimental to the people of Iraq.
Dont let big brother control your thoughts.