The Psychology Thread 🧠

Maybe that’s the answer.

When I was a kid, my dad was nuts about waking up early - if the sun was up, you’d already wasted your day.

When I was in my teens, my mom was a teacher at my school so we always had to arrive early and I had 3 hours to kill in an empty building.

Then in the food industry it’s the old ā€œ3 minutes early is 5 minutes lateā€ attitude.

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Yeah. There might be something to that with age and conditioning. Kids are especially eager to please and averse to consequences.

For me at the time being late was like a terrible thing to be avoided at all costs. Even now when I’m supposed to be somewhere at a given time, I get antsy and build in a buffer.

My wife is chronically late. Like she doesn’t even start moving toward the door until the time that we were supposed to arrive. By then I’m bouncing off of walls and fit to be tied.

Its like a collision of disorders. My time ocd, and her obstinance/defiance.

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When we plan anything with my wifes side of the family, I have to ask ā€œIs that real time or ā€œinsert maiden nameā€ time?ā€

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I like binaural beats that @Andrewgen_receptors mentioned. The issue for me is that I’m always focused on a ā€œto-doā€ list that literally never ends, and I’m sometimes sort of surfing vs controlling which can be stressful.

The beats are best utilized through headphones because they’ll play different sounds and frequencies in each ear.

I don’t know about the brain rewiring magic, but the variety in the sounds is enough to take my attention if I focus, and if I time it right I can use the ā€œwindowā€ it leaves to fall asleep.

Other than that, any white noise works for me to a degree. Just something to focus on that doesn’t matter.

Solfreggio frequencies are another interesting one to research. I found an a cappella group performing them once but forgot to bookmark, and lost them :frowning: it was awesome.

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Oh, I don’t mean that way (in this thread). Just that I keep leaving off in the middle of conversations, or not engaging at all (I have THOUGHTS about insurance companies) because it’s so hectic (ā€œWhy’d we have to have all these kids, anyway?ā€ George Bailey in It’s a Wonderful Life).

So up your asses like a little kid who won’t STFU rather than in the OH NO YOU DIDN’T sense.

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I’d like to hear them. But in the other thread for context.

You are a provider, after all :wink:

I think there could be some interesting perspectives to add.

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I’ve been reading a book called Humankind: A Hopeful History.

The author, Rutger Bregman, sets out to prove that we are in fact evolutionarily wired for cooperation rather than competition, and that our instinct to trust each other has a firm evolutionary basis going back to the beginning of Homo sapiens. Bregman systematically debunks our understanding of the Milgram electrical-shock experiment (people did not believe they were administering shocks, they generally resisted coercion), the Zimbardo prison experiment (a hoax, deliberate attempts to sow discord), and the Kitty Genovese "bystander effectā€ (looking at real life events caught on big city cameras apparently show people help some 90% of the time). Some of the above big and dramatic psychology studies seem to have been misinterpreted, greatly manipulated or seem to be flat out false.

In place of these, he offers little-known true stories: the tale of twin brothers on opposing sides of apartheid in South Africa who came together with Nelson Mandela to create peace; a group of six shipwrecked children who survived for a year and a half on a deserted island by working together (versus The Lord Of The Flies Scenario); a study done after World War II that found that as few as 15% of American soldiers were actually capable of firing at the enemy (Many soldiers in battle show bravery but fire high or do not fire their guns at all; huge percentages of US Civil War guns were loaded but never fired; yet Andersonville was also obviously a thing). Even the history of Easter Island gets a thorough examination.

It is a very interesting read, rated over 4.3 on Goodreads, and quite optimistic. It is not naive about power politics or human history, but it tackles difficult issues head on and offers a refreshing and unusual perspective not often seen. I wonder if everything it says is true; some of the debunking boils down to people interpreting a psychology study or historical event in a certain way for self-interested reasons that are not reflected in the original documents or relevant interviews. The author writes well and is credible, but you take his word about certain original documents being misquoted by populists and demagogues. I’d like to see how historians view this book. Highly recommended. (A full 50% of 70,000 readers gave it five stars on Goodreads.)

One might reasonably argue the author has cherry-picked specific examples, but the examples chosen are often important. I agree populations of people often behave better than you expect them to, but not all people. I think the effects of social media or the polarization of politics are strong arguments that optimism has its limits.

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Are they POC?

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No. Blue-collar homeschooling fundamentalist Christian midwestern Americans of eastern European descent.

This so called study has been called into question.

It has, but it has also sometimes been duplicated. It features in modern training and appears in serious books on the subject by dudes like Grossman. Some studies show considerably higher numbers exceeding 25-30%, and encouragenent from peers or leaders can raise numbers.

Even the ā€œLone Survivorā€ story is being debunked.

It has been said that his clips were full and he never fired a shot.

*mags… Seems a lot of these guys are in the spotlight now for allegedly dubious stories. I think Lutrell even said as much regarding his mags. I personally hate seeing vets attack each other unless it’s some egregious shit

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Yeah. Theres a whole cultural shift on that, maybe not for the better. I’ve seen guys squabble among each other when I was a kid about their time in the service and whatnot after a few at the Legion, but this whole youtube thing turns the volume up to 1000.

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Likely for likes, subs, views = more $. Sad really

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Its kinda like a bunch of guys I used to work with. All high performers, solid, and agressive. Like sled dogs. If you’re a good musher, they’ll run the Iditarod with you. If not, they’ll just drag you to death and tear each other to pieces.

These guys don’t have a leader.

What line of work?

Both welding and tree cutting.

Welding at a big fab & repair facility where the put the ones who can’t play nice with others out on the repair line. Then you have a conglomeration of the most violent degenerates from 5 different counties, all with blowtorches and sledge hammers. :rofl:

And tree cutting- thats just tree cutters. :rofl:

Having read more of the book (almost done!), it has much more to say on this point. It talks about the historical development of remote weapons that work at greater distances and account for increasing majority of casualties.

And it discusses changes in training (such as conditioning, overcoming aversion to violence, training with humanoid targets, manufacturing contempt) that increased ā€œfiring ratesā€ to 55% in Korea and 95% in Vietnam.

However, some also blame this process on increasing rates of PTSD because this conditioning may ā€œhave killed something insideā€ the recipients. Of course, these are obviously much more complex and contraversial topics than that easy summary.

Humankind also has an interesting psychological study where small groups of three volunteers come into a lab and one is arbitrarily made ā€œgroup leaderā€. All do some mundane task. Then they bring in a plate of five cookies. In almost every case, the groups supposedly left one cookie on the plate, but in all cases the ā€œleaderā€ scarfed the fourth cookie, and ate it more messily, with open mouths and more crumbs. This was dubbed ā€œThe Cookie Monster Experimentā€ supposedly showing cognitive changes once people have ā€œpowerā€.

Similar studies show people randomly assigned to drive basic or expensive cars drive the latter with more disregard for rules, other cars and pedestrians.