Same logic could be applied to all musicians and pro-athletes too? Actually all the chefs too, since fine cooking is just playing with the food.
Who needs culture, sports or scholars anyway. Hahah.
They arguably provide a service; I couldnāt care less about sports really,and arenāt actively trying to destroy western civilizationā¦ some irrelevant musicians are but I digress
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I was joking. World would be a terribly dull place if everybody would do only something thatās vital for our societies to run.
Imagine life without your favourite music, foods or movies.
And academics actually do provide vital things for our society, such as laws and democracy. Imagine your life without a proper study of history. We would have forgotten 99% of what we know already.
But I understand your point. There are vital jobs, like police or nurses (nurses are actually often quite leftists where I live), and then there are other jobs. A prime example of a job what really does not provide/produce anything to society are stockbrokers. Which are probably all but leftists. Hahah.
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Im being hyperbolic but I think most people are just beyond tired of their never-ending grievance BS and unhinged nonsense.
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There are those like that. But there are middle-, upper-class, and even rich people who hold leftist beliefs.
Angela Merkel, no dummy, with a Phd in chemistry and another degree in physics, was a lefty politician who put German citizens at risk.
Obviously, a hidden agenda and letās be frankā¦āeducationā isnāt always =/= intelligence or smart.
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Surely. I think it has always been the case.
Scholars or philosophers are often being hated.
Theyāve infected every stratum of society
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That study shows IQ links to less authoritarianism and more liberal views it is measuring psychological traits not political affiliations. Half the effect comes from education/income i.e. college indoctrination. (the questions were asked 15 yrs later). Per the study when accounting for education/income, 30-50% of IQās link to liberalism disappears. Did you read the actual study? Many of the questions asked that were seen as āLeft Wingā would apply to what would be seen as the politically Libertarians or the Right.
What side was screaming āTrust the scienceā and bowing authority?
Sure. This was one thing that bothered me too. Itās not merely a leftist trait.
You mean liberal right? I see left and right only economical divisions. You can be authoritarian left or authoritarian right or whatever. Study should speak about base values.
I just scimmed them throught. I did find both studyās interesting, but I did not approach them super seriously. I did see some problems with both studies.
Subjects of how/why values form and attractiveness are pretty complex and they would need much more depth and analysis. Both studies could propably be done with opposite results too.
I did not say it yet proves anything, neither did the attractiveness study.
I have no idea what you mean here. I think ātrusting the scienceā is not a bad thing, if it means we try to build our worldview on to some measurable facts.
Most people just does not understand how science works. There is no ready answers or authoritarianism in science, studies just gives us hints how the world might work. You need awful lot studies before you can say something concrete about something like this. And studies do wary in quality.
Itās common in debates to throw individual studies as truths. And the nyances/semantics are important. Claiming based on these two links that liberals are more intelligent or conservatives more attractive is a stretch.
Oh, and itās far more common to people be less critical towards studies that support their base values.
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In real science, you are correct.
In the USā¦ trusting The Scienceā¢ does not mean trusting scientific findings, it means trusting whatever science agrees with your partiesā political agenda.
So basically the opposite of science.
Liberals in the US used The Scienceā¢ as a cudgel and anyone who questions what a single study finds is considered a far right extremist, misogynist, white supremacist, bigoted dullard.
These people that scream āTrust The Scienceā¢ā are the same people that think boys can be girls, even if theyāre still equipped with male parts and corresponding hormones.
indeed
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Ah, got it. So using āthe scienceā as a validation of your political views. Yeah. Itās done in Europe too, by all parties.
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Iām hoping every thread on this board can be turned into the same political debate where people tell us what all the people who disagree with them believe and are like.
While Trusting the scienceā¢ was occasionally used as a political cudgel, the same should be said of Trusting the presidentā¢. Facts are still preferred to truthinessā¢.
A guy like me believes in reasonable free speech. This does not depend on those in a position to control it. I do not like to see free speech taken too far by academics and used to stifle debate. But I also donāt like it when autocrats say what you shouldnāt say.
Principle is more important than partisanship. And in the broader scheme of things, it is better to err on the side of kindness than cruelty. This does not mean, however, being so open-minded to weak arguments that the brain falls out of place and canāt engage.
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Who was the president that mobilized industry to switch gears and start manufacturing respirators and filter media for masks, mobilized any relevant branch of academia and granted immunity to companies producing vaccines?
What was his name againā¦
Man, its on the tip of my tongue.
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Itās the political game. You always read your opponents actions āas Satan reads the bibleā
Iām really, really happy to live in a society where there are several political parties which keeps the polarization somewhat in control.
Iām so shit keeping on the topic. Hahah.
Well said.
Let me go even further off topic and say that I very much enjoy your presence here at TN.
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Thanks! You guys have made it easy to blend in. Iām enjoying my time here.
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I didnāt name a president. I think several presidents from both parties have tried to control language.
Oh, ok. I recognized Truthines from Steven Colberts use of the word. He introduced it in his new word bit he used to do.
He still might, just havenāt watched him in years though.
*Soyence
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