The Pros and Cons of Quinoa

Diet and Nutrition
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[quote]wfifer wrote:
Bill Roberts wrote:

If you want to argue that the merits of quinoa can only survive discussion where other potential changes are ruled right off the table for no reason at all, well then OK.

While I understand your argument, it’s a mistake to assume that there’s no reason at all to rule out sweet potatoes and similarly “better” choices. This is not purely science, this is food. People have to eat it. So if someone wanted to replace rice with something similarly palatable, would quinoa be the wrong choice? [/quote]

Nowhere did I say there is something wrong with it if someone likes it. Only that the argument that bodybuilders should be, to use the OP’s phrase, shoving it down their throats on account of touted qualities is not supported by facts.

It was a mistake of you to assume that I assumed anything with regard to whether a person might not have reason to rule out sweet potatoes. Nothing I said was remotely fit what you are attributing to me.

[quote]JMoUCF87 wrote:
finally, regarding Bill’s notion that one should just replace quinoa with sweet potatoes and cottage cheese…WTF? [/quote]

WTF have reading skills come to???

I came back to the thread because on further thought I realized my previous (now edited) statement about not wasting time further was badly written. What I meant was that I did not want to waste time with non-substantive arguments against the facts and reasoning which I had presented which were based solely on attributing those facts to my mood, or calling them “red herrings,” and so forth. Responding to that is a waste of time.

But overall the subject matter is not, nor were the many who posted reasonable posts, not those nutty objections.

But sadly I find yet more attacks against what I did not say. E.g. I hever said anyone SHOULD eat sweet potatoes and cottage cheese. Providing an example that one COULD accomplish a given goal this way is not telling people that they SHOULD.

That should be elementary.

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[quote]JMoUCF87 wrote:
PB-Crawl wrote:
will replacing quinoa for other carbs be advantageous? depends. is it a miracle food? no. its just fucking food.

EXACTLY, that can be said about ANY food. that’s why posts like “is (x food) good or bad” are so ridiculous because NO food is “good” or “bad”. it just is. (I know, very zen)

finally, regarding Bill’s notion that one should just replace quinoa with sweet potatoes and cottage cheese…WTF? when someone asks for a good recipe for chicken do you say “why don’t you just eat beef instead?” how does that make ANY sense?

PB-Crawl wrote:
and bread sucks.

ok…because nobody ever got big or lean while eating bread right? give me a break. remember “its just fucking food.”[/quote]

actually it was me that asked about the cottage cheese and Bill Roberts answered my question.

so I apologize to the OP for confusing his thread with my question

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[quote]Bill Roberts wrote:
I hever said anyone SHOULD eat sweet potatoes and cottage cheese. Providing an example that one COULD accomplish a given goal this way is not telling people that they SHOULD.
[/quote]

Perhaps you didn’t say one SHOULD eat CC + sweet potatoes; but you did say this:

and this:

Tell me Bill, what is a person supposed to infer from there statements? looking forward to your answer.

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Well, saying one sees no reason means, one sees no reason.

In the context of nutrition, I think obviously. Not referring to taste preferences, cost, and so forth.

Saying one does not see a reason to favor one thing does NOT mean one is saying one SHOULD favor another thing.

Don’t know how you thought it did.

As for my saying that an alternate possible thing to do accomplishes the goal just as well or better, well that means exactly what it says.

As for the gas comment, it is a nod to a previous poster complaining about his gas, nothing more. Obviously the relevance is only to someone who suffers that problem with quinoa and means nothing for someone who has no such problem.

You ask what a person is supposed to infer from my statements such as those two above: They’re not supposed to infer ANYTHING from my statements above and beyond what they say, other than perhaps adding obvious context such as that I am talking about nutrition, not according to whether you have to drive to the supermarket to get one thing while having another on the shelf, etc.

I suppose that is the problem: you are trying to infer subtexts and deeper meanings and all kinds of things that ARE NOT THERE and are responding to or are concerned about things that were never said.

Just take my posts for what they actually say.

Man, why is it that someone pointing out that claimed reasons why quinoa has special value in reference to bodybuilding actually do not hold up generates this much completely side-track snipes and non-substantial objections?

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[quote]Bill Roberts wrote:
wfifer wrote:
Bill Roberts wrote:

If you want to argue that the merits of quinoa can only survive discussion where other potential changes are ruled right off the table for no reason at all, well then OK.

While I understand your argument, it’s a mistake to assume that there’s no reason at all to rule out sweet potatoes and similarly “better” choices. This is not purely science, this is food. People have to eat it. So if someone wanted to replace rice with something similarly palatable, would quinoa be the wrong choice?

Nowhere did I say there is something wrong with it if someone likes it. Only that the argument that bodybuilders should be, to use the OP’s phrase, shoving it down their throats on account of touted qualities is not supported by facts.

It was a mistake of you to assume that I assumed anything with regard to whether a person might not have reason to rule out sweet potatoes. Nothing I said was remotely fit what you are attributing to me.[/quote]

Well sure it fit, you said it right in the quote: “…other potential changes are ruled off the table for no reason at all.” I was merely providing the reason to rule it off the table. I’m not jumping on the quinoa bandwagon here. I appreciate the thoroughness of every post you make, but I happened to find something with which I did not wholly agree. Nothing more.

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Um, no… read again.

It is not referring to someone ruling out sweet potatoes because they did not like them, but someone ruling out my providing any alternate means of obtaining the same nutritional goal on the claim that any such provided alternate means was a “red herring.”

I was saying it’s sad if the only way a person can prop up the claims for quinoa, with regard to bodybuilding, is by ruling out comparison to all other alternative changes to the diet.

Nowhere did I say that a person might not have a reason for not wanting, for example, to eat sweet potatoes. You read something that wasn’t there.