The Predator Program

Sorry to keep chiming in, but like I said before: I have so, so many questions.

OP have any of your experiments been successful in your mind? Or, more to the point, have any of them produced results greater than what could have been achieved by a diet based around lean protein, vegetables, and some carbs and fat alongside a strength and conditioning program emphasizing progressive overload? It might be fun to try to reinvent the wheel, but don’t get upset when nobody wants to buy your version because it doesn’t roll.

[quote]PureNsanity wrote:

[quote]flipcollar wrote:
How is a lay-person supposed to sift through content and decide what’s good information and what’s not?[/quote]

This is why I wrote it. I wanted to put enough science and objectivity in every single response that the reader can trust the material. Even with credentialed authors personal bias and failure to re-examine paradigms can lead to failing advice (before anyone says it yeah, yeah, I know). And there’s no single objective and scientific source for beginners that I’ve seen. It may be out there don’t get me wrong, but people don’t ask “How many calories should I eat?” 1,000 times a day in health forums because the answer is easy to find and understand.
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You interjected your personal bias in the excerpt you posted…

[quote]PureNsanity wrote:

[quote]LoRez wrote:

[quote]PureNsanity wrote:

[quote]LoRez wrote:

[quote]PureNsanity wrote:
In my opinion a successful diet is one who can adhere to any diet for any length of time. The reality is the majority of the public cannot adhere to the diets they need to be on. […]

I can adhere to any diet, any length of time…[/quote]

My question then is why haven’t you adhered to the diet you need to be on to achieve your strength/physique goals.

You’ve clearly demonstrated consistency and discipline (or stubbornness, depending on how you want to look at it), no question about that.[/quote]

Perhaps I have done everything I can with diet and it’s just the exercise methodology/progression that I’m lacking in?
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What do you see as a proper diet, for you, in this case?[/quote]

My usual weight gaining diet was around 1g - 2g of protein per pound of body weight, at least .4g of fat per pound of body weight, 10 - 15 servings of fruits and veggies in the day, and fill the rest with carbohydrates for around a 250 - 500 calorie surplus in the day. Make sure to get proper pre, peri-, and post-workout nutrition. BCAA and creatine supplementation at least. Adjust caloric intake and protein supplementation based on weight gain and recovery.
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So why aren’t you doing this again?

[quote]PureNsanity wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
I can not know what the content of your book actually provides unless I buy it so my only course of action is to judge the book by it’s author. That’s how it works. [/quote]

And that’s why reviews and exposure are needed.[/quote]

I would say, in this case, that is why peer reviews are needed. Not some Amazon reviewers opinion on your book.

[quote]PureNsanity wrote:

This experiment is really far out there admittedly, but my other work isn’t. The beginner’s guide is honestly the best comprehensive FAQ I’ve seen around.
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[quote]RATTLEHEAD wrote:

[quote]PureNsanity wrote:

This experiment is really far out there admittedly, but my other work isn’t. The beginner’s guide is honestly the best comprehensive FAQ I’ve seen around.
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No bias though, none at all…

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]RATTLEHEAD wrote:

[quote]PureNsanity wrote:

This experiment is really far out there admittedly, but my other work isn’t. The beginner’s guide is honestly the best comprehensive FAQ I’ve seen around.
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No bias though, none at all…[/quote]

Who better to review the book than an expert dieter though?!

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
Here is a prime example of what I have a problem with(assuming you wrote the above):

[quote]PureNsanity wrote:
“Although I don’t believe the scientific literature suggests” [/quote]

To be blunt, who are you to sell your opinion on “the scientific literature?”

My overall point is, you lack credibility. [/quote]

The fact is that almost every health topic has conflicting research so you have to weigh in on what side you believe in. I try to be completely honest when there’s evidence both ways. Some things are close to irrefutable like refined sugar’s independent correlation to diabetes and excessive consumption to obesity, but most aren’t. Probably the best example is what raises serum cholesterol.

I cite the sources to establish credibility of the material I present. One of these references is Precision Nutrition’s article on it which was recently written and does a great job of covering it. His article though I think is a little too far in depth for a layman and I added a few other higher level concepts I felt valuable.

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]PureNsanity wrote:

[quote]flipcollar wrote:
How is a lay-person supposed to sift through content and decide what’s good information and what’s not?[/quote]

This is why I wrote it. I wanted to put enough science and objectivity in every single response that the reader can trust the material. Even with credentialed authors personal bias and failure to re-examine paradigms can lead to failing advice (before anyone says it yeah, yeah, I know). And there’s no single objective and scientific source for beginners that I’ve seen. It may be out there don’t get me wrong, but people don’t ask “How many calories should I eat?” 1,000 times a day in health forums because the answer is easy to find and understand.
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You interjected your personal bias in the excerpt you posted…[/quote]

Where? You think it’s personal bias to identify where scientific literature is stronger than other places and more analysis is needed? I don’t know about you but I consider bias things like a vegan who demonizes meat due to the lipid hypothesis which is far from scientifically validated. I don’t consider saying things like “believe scientific literature supports” instead of always saying something is an infallible fact is bias.

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]PureNsanity wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
I can not know what the content of your book actually provides unless I buy it so my only course of action is to judge the book by it’s author. That’s how it works. [/quote]

And that’s why reviews and exposure are needed.[/quote]

I would say, in this case, that is why peer reviews are needed. Not some Amazon reviewers opinion on your book.
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Do you honestly believe that diet books are peer reviewed or that if you did peer reviews on diet books there would be some unanimous scientific consensus? Paleo, omnivore, vegan, vegetarian, gluten-free, low-carb, high-fat, Atkins, ketogenic, etc.

Although what’s great is even though I’m getting attacked for the excerpt and my credentials no one has sad anything in the excerpt is incorrect or bad advice.

You know what the most majestic, biggest, strongest, bad ass predator is to me? The Lion.

You know which Lion looks the best? It’s the Lion that has a big healthy pride with lots a females making kills on regular basis. The ones that miss meals often look like shit compared to them.

I suggest on your next experiment you become a Pimp. Mark out and establish your turf, be on your turf through out the night protecting your whores from other Pimps or fucked up Tricks. Follow a 5x5 program during the day. Go to the gym around 5pm on training days and try to get some more bitches to be in your ‘pride’.
You can call this “The King of the Urban Jungle” program

[quote]PureNsanity wrote:
Although what’s great is even though I’m getting attacked for the excerpt and my credentials no one has sad anything in the excerpt is incorrect or bad advice.[/quote]

You’d have to figure out how many people cared enough to read it before you can start to make any conclusions.

For example, I didn’t read it, and probably won’t. I don’t particularly care about the credibility of a chunk of text excerpted from somewhere with contents that have nothing to do with the current conversation threads.

[quote]mbdix wrote:
You know what the most majestic, biggest, strongest, bad ass predator is to me? The Lion.

You know which Lion looks the best? It’s the Lion that has a big healthy pride with lots a females making kills on regular basis. The ones that miss meals often look like shit compared to them.

I suggest on your next experiment you become a Pimp. Mark out and establish your turf, be on your turf through out the night protecting your whores from other Pimps or fucked up Tricks. Follow a 5x5 program during the day. Go to the gym around 5pm on training days and try to get some more bitches to be in your ‘pride’.
You can call this “The King of the Urban Jungle” program[/quote]

I did that already but at the time I really thought the alligator was badass. I called it “Pimp Chronicles of Big Gator: Chompin in Compton”.

[quote]LoRez wrote:

[quote]PureNsanity wrote:
Although what’s great is even though I’m getting attacked for the excerpt and my credentials no one has sad anything in the excerpt is incorrect or bad advice.[/quote]

You’d have to figure out how many people cared enough to read it before you can start to make any conclusions.

For example, I didn’t read it, and probably won’t. I don’t particularly care about the credibility of a chunk of text excerpted from somewhere with contents that have nothing to do with the current conversation threads.[/quote]

Yeah… I guess trying to establish my credibility as a health author is a little moot in here, but the only reason why it came up is because Chris attacked it without reading a single page of what I’ve written. Guess it’s just time to drop this tangent of the many…

Let’s go back to pimp chronicles…

[quote]LoRez wrote:

[quote]PureNsanity wrote:

[quote]LoRez wrote:
What do you see as a proper diet, for you, in this case?[/quote]

My usual weight gaining diet was around 1g - 2g of protein per pound of body weight, at least .4g of fat per pound of body weight, 10 - 15 servings of fruits and veggies in the day, and fill the rest with carbohydrates for around a 250 - 500 calorie surplus in the day. Make sure to get proper pre, peri-, and post-workout nutrition. BCAA and creatine supplementation at least. Adjust caloric intake and protein supplementation based on weight gain and recovery.
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So why aren’t you doing this again?[/quote]

Wasn’t sure if you missed this or just ignored it.

[quote]PureNsanity wrote:

[quote]mbdix wrote:
You know what the most majestic, biggest, strongest, bad ass predator is to me? The Lion.

You know which Lion looks the best? It’s the Lion that has a big healthy pride with lots a females making kills on regular basis. The ones that miss meals often look like shit compared to them.

I suggest on your next experiment you become a Pimp. Mark out and establish your turf, be on your turf through out the night protecting your whores from other Pimps or fucked up Tricks. Follow a 5x5 program during the day. Go to the gym around 5pm on training days and try to get some more bitches to be in your ‘pride’.
You can call this “The King of the Urban Jungle” program[/quote]

I did that already but at the time I really thought the alligator was badass. I called it “Pimp Chronicles of Big Gator: Chompin in Compton”.
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To wordy dude. Plus you’re in Oklahoma.

By the way, do you know why Texas doesn’t fall into the ocean?

Because OU sucks!

the credentials thing is a valid concern.

Think about it: you are posting in a forum titled “Bigger, Stronger, Leaner” and you are none of those things.

You haven’t accomplished anything, so no one will listen to you.

I actually think you have an interesting personality, and write very well, but this whole things reeks of pretentious garbage.

Best of luck in your future endeavours, but I think your time would be better spent actually getting in shape instead of trying to force yourself into a niche and trying to tout yourself as some sort of guru.

[quote]LoRez wrote:

[quote]LoRez wrote:

[quote]PureNsanity wrote:

[quote]LoRez wrote:
What do you see as a proper diet, for you, in this case?[/quote]

My usual weight gaining diet was around 1g - 2g of protein per pound of body weight, at least .4g of fat per pound of body weight, 10 - 15 servings of fruits and veggies in the day, and fill the rest with carbohydrates for around a 250 - 500 calorie surplus in the day. Make sure to get proper pre, peri-, and post-workout nutrition. BCAA and creatine supplementation at least. Adjust caloric intake and protein supplementation based on weight gain and recovery.
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So why aren’t you doing this again?[/quote]

Wasn’t sure if you missed this or just ignored it.[/quote]

Missed it. It’s because I’m doing the experiment…

[quote]Yogi wrote:
the credentials thing is a valid concern.

Think about it: you are posting in a forum titled “Bigger, Stronger, Leaner” and you are none of those things.

You haven’t accomplished anything, so no one will listen to you.

I actually think you have an interesting personality, and write very well, but this whole things reeks of pretentious garbage.

Best of luck in your future endeavours, but I think your time would be better spent actually getting in shape instead of trying to force yourself into a niche and trying to tout yourself as some sort of guru.[/quote]

Points noted. Thanks.

I know I’m not any of those things, but I posted here in case the experiment worked (yeah yeah I’m an idiot it’ll never work blah blah blah). It’s one thing to say after the fact, “hey I took this risk and it worked check it out”, and another to submit yourself to mockery because you believe that there’s something to it while people watch it happen. I think in the former case people call bullshit when you try to push the results which to me is worse than the latter in which everyone is shouting bullshit at me now.