No problem with hating the IPF… Some parts of the IPF is retarded no doubt… I do still prefer single ply though… I just feel like once you get into some of the crazy gear out there it just gets out of hand IMO.
[quote]arramzy wrote:
No problem with hating the IPF… Some parts of the IPF is retarded no doubt… I do still prefer single ply though… I just feel like once you get into some of the crazy gear out there it just gets out of hand IMO.[/quote]
Lol, you’re so naive, there’s no difference between the two anymore.
I personally know lifters that get at least 250-300lbs out of their single ply gear… those are literally multi-ply type numbers.
No difference? Are you kidding me… I have worn a double ply super katana… after taking that off a single ply shirt feels like wearing a bloody t-shirt… I think you just think they are the same because you have never managed to figure it out… Plenty of people got well over 200 from a multiply bench shirt while only some of the best in the world ever get even 200 out of a single ply shirt…
And that is usually a super katana because of the like 8 ply collar… As far as squat suits… don’t even get me started on monolifts, 3m knee wraps, knee bend squats and 3 ply canvas suits… If you can tell me that the lifters that squat over 1k with this on are better squatters than Ed Coan because there no real difference between the gear, then you must have suffered some severe brain damage as a child. I got no problem if that’s what you choose, it can still be extremely impressive, but don’t try to pretend it’s no different.
[quote]arramzy wrote:
No difference? Are you kidding me… I have worn a double ply super katana… after taking that off a single ply shirt feels like wearing a bloody t-shirt… I think you just think they are the same because you have never managed to figure it out… Plenty of people got well over 200 from a multiply bench shirt while only some of the best in the world ever get even 200 out of a single ply shirt…
And that is usually a super katana because of the like 8 ply collar… As far as squat suits… don’t even get me started on monolifts, 3m knee wraps, knee bend squats and 3 ply canvas suits… If you can tell me that the lifters that squat over 1k with this on are better squatters than Ed Coan because there no real difference between the gear, then you must have suffered some severe brain damage as a child. I got no problem if that’s what you choose, it can still be extremely impressive, but don’t try to pretend it’s no different.[/quote]
LOL, relax and man breathe man.
We’re going to not agree on anything regarding gear, so I’m killing gear debating in my log.
Good training man. Impressive lifts. Those restoration workouts look fun.
lol… I am relaxed I was just shocked by your comment! Gear debate = dead. lol… I look forward to hearing more about your training. I was actually wondering how you came up with your current recovery workouts? Also, how did you end up picking your training exercises? Olympic squats seems like an unusual choice for a multiply lifter?
[quote]pbclax1 wrote:
Good training man. Impressive lifts. Those restoration workouts look fun.[/quote]
Thanks man, I appreciate the compliment.
Yeah, the restoration workouts are pretty fun. The box jumps and medicine ball slams help teach my body to be more explosive as well, I’m a naturally slow lifter, so adding speed work like also helps me get more explosive and improves my overall athleticism.
[quote]arramzy wrote:
lol… I am relaxed I was just shocked by your comment! Gear debate = dead. lol… I look forward to hearing more about your training. I was actually wondering how you came up with your current recovery workouts? Also, how did you end up picking your training exercises? Olympic squats seems like an unusual choice for a multiply lifter?[/quote]
I believe I wrote a few pages back that I have a few interesting views on training philosophy and gear discussion. Multi-Ply vs. Single Ply was one of those, but yeah I prefer to ignore it since I have a weird view on gear.
I’m actually going to compete in the USAPL as a raw lifter lol, and my goal right now is to compete at USAPL Raw Nationals in August, hence the olympic style squats.
My recovery workouts were helped devised by talking to a few of the S&C coaches at my training facility, Stronghold (a poster on T-Nation) sparked the idea because he wanted to program some speed work in my next block training,. So the idea took form and was written out by one of the interns, and he coaches me through my box jumps/ball slams, tells me how much I should do, and when to call it quits. I also do them before and during my squats and benches to help arouse the nervous system for the workload, and I’m coached through that as well.
Hey Det,
You compete both equipped and raw and are successful with both. I was wondering when you started using gear? Do you feel there is a strength level one should achieve before getting into gear? What advice would you give and what have you learned competing both equipped and raw? I ask because Id like to compete both equipped and raw and be successful, eventually. Mostly, right now I have goals that I want to get to raw, but this is something that has been sitting in the back of my mind.
[quote]pbclax1 wrote:
Hey Det,
You compete both equipped and raw and are successful with both. I was wondering when you started using gear? Do you feel there is a strength level one should achieve before getting into gear? What advice would you give and what have you learned competing both equipped and raw? I ask because Id like to compete both equipped and raw and be successful, eventually. Mostly, right now I have goals that I want to get to raw, but this is something that has been sitting in the back of my mind. [/quote]
Let me preface my answer by stating the obvious: I’m very goal oriented. When I first started competing, my first goal was to total Elite raw at 181 which is 1396 if my memory serves me right. I planned out my first short term two goal as totaling elite raw in whatever class I was in, and then I will start competing in equipment. I think if you want to be successful doing both, having goals and executing them along similar lines would probably be best.
Switching between Raw and Equipped is actually part of my overall training philosophy. If you guys remember my belief about having an annual training plan and build your programming on the overall big picture rather than just on the short term, I apply that to my raw and equipped lifting I’ll switch between one Raw meet and one Equipped meet. This accomplishes a few things: Health, competing in one or the other for too long, and I think you begin to get injured and broken. I think switching helps keep the body fresh and prevents from accumulative type injuries from occurring or keep nagging. I’ve personally notice that I make bigger gains when I switch back to whichever one I wasn’t doing before i.e. when I go back to equipped lifting again, I’ll be thinking of an 800+ Squat as very doable in equipment. I think doing both also compliment each other, as when I go back to Raw lifting I will never be psychologically freaked over a new Raw PR because I’ll tell myself I’ve already done it before as an Equipped Lifter, so there’s no big deal about it.
I do think that once you make the switch to using gear for the first time, the biggest priorities a lifter should do, is to hit whatever your fed’s squat depth is and touching to the chest, and do both of those consistently. The quicker you can do those, the better you will learn how to figure out your gear and begin to master them. This is where my preaching of technique is absolutely VITAL because gear is more skill oriented than anything else.
I hope that answers all your questions man, if not, let me know
[quote]detazathoth wrote:
[quote]pbclax1 wrote:
Hey Det,
You compete both equipped and raw and are successful with both. I was wondering when you started using gear? Do you feel there is a strength level one should achieve before getting into gear? What advice would you give and what have you learned competing both equipped and raw? I ask because Id like to compete both equipped and raw and be successful, eventually. Mostly, right now I have goals that I want to get to raw, but this is something that has been sitting in the back of my mind. [/quote]
Let me preface my answer by stating the obvious: I’m very goal oriented. When I first started competing, my first goal was to total Elite raw at 181 which is 1396 if my memory serves me right. I planned out my first short term two goal as totaling elite raw in whatever class I was in, and then I will start competing in equipment. I think if you want to be successful doing both, having goals and executing them along similar lines would probably be best.
Switching between Raw and Equipped is actually part of my overall training philosophy. If you guys remember my belief about having an annual training plan and build your programming on the overall big picture rather than just on the short term, I apply that to my raw and equipped lifting I’ll switch between one Raw meet and one Equipped meet. This accomplishes a few things: Health, competing in one or the other for too long, and I think you begin to get injured and broken. I think switching helps keep the body fresh and prevents from accumulative type injuries from occurring or keep nagging. I’ve personally notice that I make bigger gains when I switch back to whichever one I wasn’t doing before i.e. when I go back to equipped lifting again, I’ll be thinking of an 800+ Squat as very doable in equipment. I think doing both also compliment each other, as when I go back to Raw lifting I will never be psychologically freaked over a new Raw PR because I’ll tell myself I’ve already done it before as an Equipped Lifter, so there’s no big deal about it.
I do think that once you make the switch to using gear for the first time, the biggest priorities a lifter should do, is to hit whatever your fed’s squat depth is and touching to the chest, and do both of those consistently. The quicker you can do those, the better you will learn how to figure out your gear and begin to master them. This is where my preaching of technique is absolutely VITAL because gear is more skill oriented than anything else.
I hope that answers all your questions man, if not, let me know[/quote]
Great response and thank you! Looks like I’m on the right track, with my main goal being to total elite raw in my weight class.
[quote]arramzy wrote:
No difference? Are you kidding me… I have worn a double ply super katana… after taking that off a single ply shirt feels like wearing a bloody t-shirt… I think you just think they are the same because you have never managed to figure it out… Plenty of people got well over 200 from a multiply bench shirt while only some of the best in the world ever get even 200 out of a single ply shirt…
And that is usually a super katana because of the like 8 ply collar… As far as squat suits… don’t even get me started on monolifts, 3m knee wraps, knee bend squats and 3 ply canvas suits… If you can tell me that the lifters that squat over 1k with this on are better squatters than Ed Coan because there no real difference between the gear, then you must have suffered some severe brain damage as a child. I got no problem if that’s what you choose, it can still be extremely impressive, but don’t try to pretend it’s no different.[/quote]
Cheater gear is cheater gear, Canadian.
5 day (Friday)
- Olympic Squat, Beltless
50% 1x4 270lbs
60% 1x4 325lbs
70% 2x3 375lbs
75% 6x3 405lbs
- Bench press, Paused, Pinky on Rings
50% 1x6 210lbs
60% 1x5 250lbs
70% 2x4 290lbs
75% 2x3 315lbs
80% 2x2 335lbs
75% 1x4 315lbs
70% 1x5 290lbs
60% 1x6 250lbs
50% 1x7 210lbs
- Facepulls - 5x10
- DB Curls - 5x10
- Olympic Squat, Belted
55% 1x3 295lbs
65% 1x3 350lbs
75% 4x2 405lbs
- GHR - 5x5
My lower back was too fatigue to not use the belt for the second round of squatting. Everything felt good and strong otherwise. My confidence that Sheiko will achieve my expectations from it is very high. I also added neural activation box jumps and eccentric-less medicine throws during my warm up sets to increase performance, and it’s working far better than I originally thought. Very excited.
Sheiko 37 3rd Week
1 day (Monday)
- Olympic Squat, Beltless
50% 1x5 270lbs
60% 2x4 325lbs
70% 2x3 375lbs
80% 5x3 430lbs
- Bench press, Paused, Pinky on Rings
50% 1x5 210lbs
60% 1x4 250lbs
70% 2x3 290lbs
80% 5x3 335lbs
- Facepulls - 5x10
4.Push ups with mini-band - 5x10 - Olympic Squat, Beltless
50% 1x5 270lbs
60% 1x5 325lbs
70% 5x5 375lbs
- GHR - 5x5
Total: 99 lifts
Restoration Workout
- Box Jumps - 8x3 45rest 32" box
- Medicine Ball Slams - 2x15 @80% intensity with a moderate tempo
- Sled Drag
- Ab Pulldowns
- Sprints
When you gonna ditch the olympic squats and start training specific for the upcoming competition?
[quote]arramzy wrote:
When you gonna ditch the olympic squats and start training specific for the upcoming competition?[/quote]
Uh, never? That’s how I prefer to squat haha
Mike Tuchscherer doesn’t squat olympic style…
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[quote]arramzy wrote:
Mike Tuchscherer doesn’t squat olympic style…[/quote]
I know, I just think he’s a badass lifter.
I like squatting deep, I’ll have my handler call my depth, and squat to whatever the judging is for that day. I’m not going to sweat worrying about squat depth or doing a “powerlifting” squat whatever that means. So I don’t know what you mean by switching over to a different style of squatting for my meet.
My personal preference for squatting raw is high bar, close stance. I’m a rebound squatter, and for the sake of my shoulder health, I’m not going to go to a low bar position.