[quote]smh_23 wrote:
Again, you know why this is nonsense.
In this country, you generally get into prison for doing something to harm another’s person or property. (On non-violent drug-related incarcerations, I agree with you.)
What do you think lands you there in China, or in North Korea, or in Russia, or in one of the other countries that might come a’knockin if the American military decided to call it quits? A little less? A whole hell of a lot less?
Hint: the latter.
These are elementary notions that you already well understand.[/quote]
Let’s ask Lauryn Hill and Wesley Snipes what might land one in prison here in the U.S.
I imagine there are more than a few folks in America’s approximately 1.6 million(approximately 330,000 of which are imprisoned for their participation in voluntary transactions) man prison population that would be happy to go to China. [/quote]
What is stopping you from going to this beacon of freedom that is China? Is it because you’re so busy sitting on your fast and super cheap internet telling us about how great it would be there compared to America that you can’t go?
In this country, you generally get into prison for doing something to harm another’s person or property. (On non-violent drug-related incarcerations, I agree with you.)
What do you think lands you there in China, or in North Korea, or in Russia, or in one of the other countries that might come a’knockin if the American military decided to call it quits? A little less? A whole hell of a lot less?[/quote]
tell me if this makes sense: there’s people in prison for not paying child support (in the United States).
tell me if this makes sense: there’s people in prison for not paying child support (in the United States).
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…there are people in prison for not paying for other peoples children too ( tax evasion which transfers their wealth to someone with eight children that won’t work but that person with eight children is rewarded with housing, medicaid, snap/ebt/foodstamps and ebt debit card )
[quote]smh_23 wrote:
Again, you know why this is nonsense.
In this country, you generally get into prison for doing something to harm another’s person or property. (On non-violent drug-related incarcerations, I agree with you.)
What do you think lands you there in China, or in North Korea, or in Russia, or in one of the other countries that might come a’knockin if the American military decided to call it quits? A little less? A whole hell of a lot less?
Hint: the latter.
These are elementary notions that you already well understand.[/quote]
Let’s ask Lauryn Hill and Wesley Snipes what might land one in prison here in the U.S.[/quote]
I expected as much. 3 months and 2 years, respectively. And this puts the U.S. legal system on equal footing with the Chinese, does it? Just about the same thing?
Histrionics and soapy melodrama don’t need to be called on here. This little thing we’ve got going is a game, just another game for the anarchist to postpone the snap end to his fantastical reverie. You know that the United States is far and away freer than the PRC. you know it, I know it, we all know it. So why are we doing this?
In this country, you generally get into prison for doing something to harm another’s person or property. (On non-violent drug-related incarcerations, I agree with you.)
What do you think lands you there in China, or in North Korea, or in Russia, or in one of the other countries that might come a’knockin if the American military decided to call it quits? A little less? A whole hell of a lot less?[/quote]
tell me if this makes sense: there’s people in prison for not paying child support (in the United States).
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Not the way I want things done, but not even a half a drop in the bucket toward putting the U.S. on par with the PRC vis-a-vis a harsh and unnecessary penal system. I really doubt you think otherwise.
What prevents the U.S. from conquering the rest of the world(I guess it DOES occupy much of it, so maybe I shouldn’t ask this question…)? What prevents the countries with nuclear weapons from bombing one another(or countries without nuclear capability)? [/quote]
The U.S. has both invaded other countries and used nuclear weapons against civilians, so I don’t see what you’re talking about.[/quote]
Both are true. The point is, you seem to be worried about China when our own country is the one which has done the things about which you worry. I’d rather be ruled by people with Chinese names, after being free for X amount of time, than I would never know freedom because I was worried about not knowing how to pronounce the names of my captors…not to mention that there’s always a chance China would be unable to conquer the free area that used to be the U.S.[/quote]
[quote]smh_23 wrote:
You know that the United States is far and away freer than the PRC.[/quote]
I’ve never been to or lived in China, so I have no idea. Our rulers may be more pleasant(I’ve never lived in China, so I have no idea what it’s like, and anything I say will only be what I’ve heard.) than theirs. It may only be 90-95 degrees here, while it’s 110 in China…but it’s still hot.
Did you realize that the U.S. is as bad as this foreign film makes it seem? - YouTube
[quote]Aragorn wrote:
Somebody needs to read more Hobbes.[/quote]
I’ll just go to the local housing projects and talk to a bunch of single, non-employed mothers next time a Republican is elected president. I can find the same fear there.
[quote]smh_23 wrote:
Again, you know why this is nonsense.
In this country, you generally get into prison for doing something to harm another’s person or property. (On non-violent drug-related incarcerations, I agree with you.)
What do you think lands you there in China, or in North Korea, or in Russia, or in one of the other countries that might come a’knockin if the American military decided to call it quits? A little less? A whole hell of a lot less?
Hint: the latter.
These are elementary notions that you already well understand.[/quote]
Let’s ask Lauryn Hill and Wesley Snipes what might land one in prison here in the U.S.[/quote]
I expected as much. 3 months and 2 years, respectively. And this puts the U.S. legal system on equal footing with the Chinese, does it? Just about the same thing?
Histrionics and soapy melodrama don’t need to be called on here. This little thing we’ve got going is a game, just another game for the anarchist to postpone the snap end to his fantastical reverie. You know that the United States is far and away freer than the PRC. you know it, I know it, we all know it. So why are we doing this?[/quote]
Considering he couldn’t have these types of anti-government posts in China I think he should know it.
I’ve never been to or lived in China, so I have no idea. [/quote]
Can’t you say the same thing about the vast majority of the US, then?[/quote]
No. I experience life in the U.S. each day. Whether I can legally travel 65, 70, or 75 MPH on a designated road makes little difference. Whatever small percentage of my property is confiscated by local and state governments makes little difference. Minutiae is all that separates individual locales throughout the U.S. If the U.S. was made up of independent communities, or even states, then you would be correct.
I can’t say much about China because I’ve never experienced life in any part of it.
[quote]Chushin wrote:
So life in New York City is the same as it is in Slippery Rock, PA.
Gotcha.
Not to mention the fact that you are making conclusions about places that you’ve never been to. So how do you know?
However it is, you can “know” China in the same way.[/quote]
I’m pretty sure I already covered that. I have the same rulers no matter where I go in the U.S. I admitted there are minute differences between communities and states.
Wasn’t the concept of liberty understood as wage equality brought to an end by the Grachus brothers, Scipio the Younger(in a cynical attempt to gain the support of plebs and thus make himself emperor) and many other optimates ending in their wholesale slaughter in the forum? There have been many attempts recently but all have failed miserably, Doesn’t this tell you something?
This kind of arguing–“I’ve never been to China so how should I know whether it’s free or not!” (which is related to such drivel as “I’ve never been in a holocaust so I won’t pass judgement” and “I’ve never met Hitler so who am I to say?”)–is where I opt out. It’s fatuous last-ditch stuff. You haven’t been there? Read some words about it. I know with utter certainty that you have opinions and beliefs about places to which you’ve never been and people whom you’ve never met–the Founding Fathers, Somalia–because I’ve read things you wrote about them.
Here’s how it goes:
Nick, do you have an opinion on Adolf Hitler and/or Joseph Stalin?
–“Yes.”
Did you ever meet them?
–“No.”
How can you form an opinion of them?
–“Things I read.”
That’s the only way for that conversation to go. So it’s simple: take that and apply it to China. Then come back to the thread once you’ve got something of substance to say.
