The Philosophy of Liberty

Off Topic Politics & World Issues
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[quote]Bismark wrote:
The problem with anarco-capitalism is that it’s based upon the assumption that economic prosperity is the principal goal of actors. “If only market forces could be allowed to prevail…” In reality, security is the preeminent concern of individuals and the states that they inhabit. History shows time and time again this to be true.[/quote]

That’s not a problem with anarcho-capitalism, that’s just another way of saying that it won’t happen because people are scared of freedom. Anyway, anarcho-capitalism allows for protection and defense. I’m not sure arguing against something because of human nature, which doesn’t change because of the existence or absence of a state, is the best strategy.

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[quote]NickViar wrote:

[quote]Bismark wrote:
The problem with anarco-capitalism is that it’s based upon the assumption that economic prosperity is the principal goal of actors. “If only market forces could be allowed to prevail…” In reality, security is the preeminent concern of individuals and the states that they inhabit. History shows time and time again this to be true.[/quote]

That’s not a problem with anarcho-capitalism, that’s just another way of saying that it won’t happen because people are scared of freedom. Anyway, anarcho-capitalism allows for protection and defense. I’m not sure arguing against something because of human nature, which doesn’t change because of the existence or absence of a state, is the best strategy. [/quote]

Security concerns transcend political structure. What exactly prevents a company from successfully claiming a monopoly on the legitimate use of force within a given territory?

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[quote]Bismark wrote:
Security concerns transcend political structure. What exactly prevents a company from successfully claiming a monopoly on the legitimate use of force within a given territory? [/quote]

Nothing. There is nothing to absolutely prevent tyranny in any system, other than frequent rebellion. You are basically arguing that because it would be difficult to ever prevent a group from claiming a monopoly on the initiation of force in a territory, it’s better to just go ahead and hand it over to that group. I don’t believe that. I don’t believe that my family and I would be better served by granting a robber’s every wish than we would be by fighting back, despite the fact that it’s entirely possible my wife may one day do worse to me than the robber would have.

“I do not know whether it is to yourself or Mr. Adams I am to give my thanks for the copy of the new constitution. I beg leave through you to place them where due. It will be yet three weeks before I shall receive them from America. There are very good articles in it: and very bad. I do not know which preponderate. What we have lately read in the history of Holland, in the chapter on the Stadtholder, would have sufficed to set me against a Chief magistrate eligible for a long duration, if I had ever been disposed towards one: and what we have always read of the elections of Polish kings should have forever excluded the idea of one continuable for life. Wonderful is the effect of impudent and persevering lying. The British ministry have so long hired their gazetteers to repeat and model into every form lies about our being in anarchy, that the world has at length believed them, the English nation has believed them, the ministers themselves have come to believe them, and what is more wonderful, we have believed them ourselves. Yet where does this anarchy exist? Where did it ever exist, except in the single instance of Massachusetts? And can history produce an instance of a rebellion so honourably conducted? I say nothing of it’s motives. They were founded in ignorance, not wickedness. God forbid we should ever be 20. years without such a rebellion.[1] The people can not be all, and always, well informed. The part which is wrong will be discontented in proportion to the importance of the facts they misconceive. If they remain quiet under such misconceptions it is a lethargy, the forerunner of death to the public liberty. We have had 13 states independent 11 years. There has been one rebellion. That comes to one rebellion in a century and a half for each state. What country ever existed a century and a half without a rebellion? And what country can preserve it’s liberties if their rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms. The remedy is to set them right as to facts, pardon and pacify them. What signify a few lives lost in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants. It is it’s natural manure. Our Convention has been too much impressed by the insurrection of Massachusetts: and in the spur of the moment they are setting up a kite to keep the hen yard in order. I hope in god this article will be rectified before the new constitution is accepted.” -Thomas Jefferson

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[quote]NickViar wrote:

[quote]Bismark wrote:
Security concerns transcend political structure. What exactly prevents a company from successfully claiming a monopoly on the legitimate use of force within a given territory? [/quote]

Nothing. There is nothing to absolutely prevent tyranny in any system, other than frequent rebellion. You are basically arguing that because it would be difficult to ever prevent a group from claiming a monopoly on the initiation of force in a territory, it’s better to just go ahead and hand it over to that group. I don’t believe that. I don’t believe that my family and I would be better served by granting a robber’s every wish than we would be by fighting back, despite the fact that it’s entirely possible my wife may one day do worse to me than the robber would have.

“I do not know whether it is to yourself or Mr. Adams I am to give my thanks for the copy of the new constitution. I beg leave through you to place them where due. It will be yet three weeks before I shall receive them from America. There are very good articles in it: and very bad. I do not know which preponderate. What we have lately read in the history of Holland, in the chapter on the Stadtholder, would have sufficed to set me against a Chief magistrate eligible for a long duration, if I had ever been disposed towards one: and what we have always read of the elections of Polish kings should have forever excluded the idea of one continuable for life. Wonderful is the effect of impudent and persevering lying. The British ministry have so long hired their gazetteers to repeat and model into every form lies about our being in anarchy, that the world has at length believed them, the English nation has believed them, the ministers themselves have come to believe them, and what is more wonderful, we have believed them ourselves. Yet where does this anarchy exist? Where did it ever exist, except in the single instance of Massachusetts? And can history produce an instance of a rebellion so honourably conducted? I say nothing of it’s motives. They were founded in ignorance, not wickedness. God forbid we should ever be 20. years without such a rebellion.[1] The people can not be all, and always, well informed. The part which is wrong will be discontented in proportion to the importance of the facts they misconceive. If they remain quiet under such misconceptions it is a lethargy, the forerunner of death to the public liberty. We have had 13 states independent 11 years. There has been one rebellion. That comes to one rebellion in a century and a half for each state. What country ever existed a century and a half without a rebellion? And what country can preserve it’s liberties if their rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms. The remedy is to set them right as to facts, pardon and pacify them. What signify a few lives lost in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants. It is it’s natural manure. Our Convention has been too much impressed by the insurrection of Massachusetts: and in the spur of the moment they are setting up a kite to keep the hen yard in order. I hope in god this article will be rectified before the new constitution is accepted.” -Thomas Jefferson[/quote]

The problem with having revolution as a solution is that with just about every revolution the haves and the have nots switch. In more recent history governments tend to back whichever political side benefits them most. With the United States we have gone into countries and given them puppets so we can have resources. We don’t know what will happen if a revolution hits us, which players will be involved with which ends in mind.

These days with all the gun violence, I don’t see citizens putting up a realistic fight without completely trashing every structure that makes the country run in order to take power away from the Gov. I’m thinking insiders would have to crash the market, trash infrastructure would be easy by controlling or destroying roads, control or destroy electricity and water before big change happens in order to get citizens fired up. If we do this we are sitting ducks for other nations though. Revolution as a solution is maybe necessary when the government gets to a certain ugliness, but it has to be the very last resort. When there were revolutions in the States we still had quite a bit of the state of nature/ land to draw upon for new people and for the revolutionaries at home to utilize. But now, all the resources are gone, our revolutions will be more like those of Europe…

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[quote]EmilyQ wrote:

[quote]Severiano wrote:

The back and forths between you and I got personal a while back. You are the one who dragged b.s. that started on PWI to the get a life forum with EmilyQ who seems to be a nice enough lady. Did you ever take the time to ask yourself why a person with mastery in relationships would ask sophomoric questions about relationships that she already knows about to a bunch of meatheads and jocks? You are a bit too dim to realize I saw right through it and was giving her what she wanted, maybe you have a problem with that aspect in your life? But once again you singled me out by pointing out I was giving her what she wanted lol. She’s an intriguing lady, she’s interesting to all of us, have you gathered that yet?
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Um, wow. I just can’t even begin to unravel any of this, and don’t want to, so let me only say that I am a licensed clinical social worker, LICSW, and am credentialed to practice individual, family, and group psychotherapy in my state. That’s very different from a “mastery in relationships.”

I will also say that probably I do have mastery in relationships, as shown by the long term nature of every single one of them. However, sustaining a shitty relationship until the end of time is not my current goal. Figuring out how to identify the non-surface traits I seek (integrity, self-control) in the very brief time I have before I need to either go forward (sex) or cut bait is the issue.

That’s not one of the classes we’re taught in graduate school.

Since I like meatheads and jocks who like expressing their thoughts in writing, and hope to find exactly this combination of traits, this seems a most excellent place to ask questions.

Your response (MBTI) was sophomoric in that Meyers Briggs is taught in Intro Psych, and Chushin knows perfectly well that I have a pretty good grip on my personality type. I think you read my questions and projected your own level of development and education onto them. However, you were trying to be helpful, which is nice, and I appreciate it. Chushin was what I think of as uncharacteristically abrupt with you. Which is interesting as a female observer, so thank you both for THAT piece of my post-graduate study of men in their natural online environment.

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Thank you Emily. I’m happy to help and be part of whatever experiments you are taking part, I wish you luck! I think you picked a top notch site for your endeavors.

All I know of Chushin is what I have experienced online. I don’t know him, or really anyone on here in a professional manner. Of course context, communication and tempers are a bit out of whack given the interface. I don’t have anything good to say about him other than he seems to have some friends here, the way he interacts with people with a penis who disagree with him is all I have experienced and observed. If you were a friend of mine, I’d tell you to look at the level of respect he gives others by default. The interactions he has had with you are a lot nicer than the ones he has had with me, and the ones I have witnessed with others on PWI with people who he disagrees with and he has a rather rigid way of viewing the world.

And, if anyone took the me fighting like a kid thing as a physical thing. I’m referring to the verbal, typing jabs we have been trading for a while now, they weren’t intended as a physical threat. Just calling it what it is. Cheers EmilyQ

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[quote]NickViar wrote:

[quote]Bismark wrote:
Security concerns transcend political structure. What exactly prevents a company from successfully claiming a monopoly on the legitimate use of force within a given territory? [/quote]

Nothing. There is nothing to absolutely prevent tyranny in any system, other than frequent rebellion. You are basically arguing that because it would be difficult to ever prevent a group from claiming a monopoly on the initiation of force in a territory, it’s better to just go ahead and hand it over to that group. I don’t believe that. I don’t believe that my family and I would be better served by granting a robber’s every wish than we would be by fighting back, despite the fact that it’s entirely possible my wife may one day do worse to me than the robber would have.

“I do not know whether it is to yourself or Mr. Adams I am to give my thanks for the copy of the new constitution. I beg leave through you to place them where due. It will be yet three weeks before I shall receive them from America. There are very good articles in it: and very bad. I do not know which preponderate. What we have lately read in the history of Holland, in the chapter on the Stadtholder, would have sufficed to set me against a Chief magistrate eligible for a long duration, if I had ever been disposed towards one: and what we have always read of the elections of Polish kings should have forever excluded the idea of one continuable for life. Wonderful is the effect of impudent and persevering lying. The British ministry have so long hired their gazetteers to repeat and model into every form lies about our being in anarchy, that the world has at length believed them, the English nation has believed them, the ministers themselves have come to believe them, and what is more wonderful, we have believed them ourselves. Yet where does this anarchy exist? Where did it ever exist, except in the single instance of Massachusetts? And can history produce an instance of a rebellion so honourably conducted? I say nothing of it’s motives. They were founded in ignorance, not wickedness. God forbid we should ever be 20. years without such a rebellion.[1] The people can not be all, and always, well informed. The part which is wrong will be discontented in proportion to the importance of the facts they misconceive. If they remain quiet under such misconceptions it is a lethargy, the forerunner of death to the public liberty. We have had 13 states independent 11 years. There has been one rebellion. That comes to one rebellion in a century and a half for each state. What country ever existed a century and a half without a rebellion? And what country can preserve it’s liberties if their rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms. The remedy is to set them right as to facts, pardon and pacify them. What signify a few lives lost in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants. It is it’s natural manure. Our Convention has been too much impressed by the insurrection of Massachusetts: and in the spur of the moment they are setting up a kite to keep the hen yard in order. I hope in god this article will be rectified before the new constitution is accepted.” -Thomas Jefferson[/quote]

I’m sure that the Chinese overlords who are the logical consequence of your desired political arrangement will listen very carefully when you explain to them that frequent rebellion and general dissent are desirable.

Prior to the Chinese takeover, I’m sure the little girl being raped by her own father and yet with utterly no recourse or help available will understand that it’s better that she take her daily, unearned, unremitting punishment than that–I shudder to type it–taxes be levied upon the public.

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[quote]Chushin wrote:

[quote]Severiano wrote:

[quote]EmilyQ wrote:

[quote]Severiano wrote:

The back and forths between you and I got personal a while back. You are the one who dragged b.s. that started on PWI to the get a life forum with EmilyQ who seems to be a nice enough lady. Did you ever take the time to ask yourself why a person with mastery in relationships would ask sophomoric questions about relationships that she already knows about to a bunch of meatheads and jocks? You are a bit too dim to realize I saw right through it and was giving her what she wanted, maybe you have a problem with that aspect in your life? But once again you singled me out by pointing out I was giving her what she wanted lol. She’s an intriguing lady, she’s interesting to all of us, have you gathered that yet?
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Um, wow. I just can’t even begin to unravel any of this, and don’t want to, so let me only say that I am a licensed clinical social worker, LICSW, and am credentialed to practice individual, family, and group psychotherapy in my state. That’s very different from a “mastery in relationships.”

I will also say that probably I do have mastery in relationships, as shown by the long term nature of every single one of them. However, sustaining a shitty relationship until the end of time is not my current goal. Figuring out how to identify the non-surface traits I seek (integrity, self-control) in the very brief time I have before I need to either go forward (sex) or cut bait is the issue.

That’s not one of the classes we’re taught in graduate school.

Since I like meatheads and jocks who like expressing their thoughts in writing, and hope to find exactly this combination of traits, this seems a most excellent place to ask questions.

Your response (MBTI) was sophomoric in that Meyers Briggs is taught in Intro Psych, and Chushin knows perfectly well that I have a pretty good grip on my personality type. I think you read my questions and projected your own level of development and education onto them. However, you were trying to be helpful, which is nice, and I appreciate it. Chushin was what I think of as uncharacteristically abrupt with you. Which is interesting as a female observer, so thank you both for THAT piece of my post-graduate study of men in their natural online environment.

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Thank you Emily. I’m happy to help and be part of whatever experiments you are taking part, I wish you luck! I think you picked a top notch site for your endeavors.

All I know of Chushin is what I have experienced online. I don’t know him, or really anyone on here in a professional manner. Of course context, communication and tempers are a bit out of whack given the interface. I don’t have anything good to say about him other than he seems to have some friends here, the way he interacts with people with a penis who disagree with him is all I have experienced and observed. If you were a friend of mine, I’d tell you to look at the level of respect he gives others by default. The interactions he has had with you are a lot nicer than the ones he has had with me, and the ones I have witnessed with others on PWI with people who he disagrees with and he has a rather rigid way of viewing the world.

And, if anyone took the me fighting like a kid thing as a physical thing. I’m referring to the verbal, typing jabs we have been trading for a while now, they weren’t intended as a physical threat. Just calling it what it is. Cheers EmilyQ[/quote]

Oh for Christ’s sake.

Will you PLEASE stop talking about me already?

Everybody now knows what a bad, bad man I am.

You’ve stated your case multiple times.

Now give it a fucking rest, son.

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I’m not your son. If you talk shit I’m gonna call you on it, get used to it. Maybe you got the wrong impression, I tried disengaging from the shit talk but you kept at it. I’m not someone who will lie down and take it, AT ALL.

You aren’t a bad man, stop kidding yourself power puff.

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[quote]smh_23 wrote:
I’m sure that the Chinese overlords who are the logical consequence of your desired political arrangement will listen very carefully when you explain to them that frequent rebellion and general dissent are desirable.

Prior to the Chinese takeover, I’m sure the little girl being raped by her own father and yet with utterly no recourse or help available will understand that it’s better that she take her daily, unearned, unremitting punishment than that–I shudder to type it–taxes be levied upon the public.[/quote]

How is that the logical consequence? I don’t know if you support private ownership of weapons or not, but if one does(at least for the reasons the founding fathers did), then Chinese takeover is certainly not a logical consequence of rebellion.

Does privately owned weapons>U.S. government weapons>foreign government weapons>privately owned weapons make sense to you? If it does, please explain. If it doesn’t, I’ll assume you don’t believe that privately owned weapons>U.S. government weapons. In that case, what difference does it make if the U.S. or Chines government controls the land on which we live? Master can do anything he wants to us either way, right?

As far as the little girl being raped by her father(it’s odd that this and similar situations seem so likely to many supporters of big government) goes, I have another article which will save me a lot of typing: Anarchy vs. Barney Fife by Mark R. Crovelli

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[quote]NickViar wrote:
As far as the little girl being raped by her father(it’s odd that this and similar situations seem so likely to many supporters of big government) goes, I have another article which will save me a lot of typing [/quote]

It may be odd to anyone living in a fantasized Utopia, but it seems rather less odd to those of us who know that it happens unsettlingly often in actual life.

As for privately owned weapons, good luck fighting off a nuke with your handgun.

Or do you mean private armies?

Well, your private army will be like the government’s, except that far fewer people will be paying into it. Far, far, far fewer.

So it will be weaker. Far, far, far weaker.

So brush up on that Mandarin.

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[quote]smh_23 wrote:
It may be odd to anyone living in a fantasized Utopia, but it seems rather less odd to those of us who know that it happens unsettlingly often in actual life.[/quote]
-It’s not a common scenario, and would never be so. There’s really no way to prevent it, anyway. Nobody I know looks at his daughter and thinks, “I sure would like to rape her right now, good thing those laws are stopping me.”

[quote]As for privately owned weapons, good luck fighting off a nuke with your handgun.

So brush up on that Mandarin.[/quote]
-If I am nuked, there probably won’t be much of a reason to learn Mandarin, correct?

What prevents the U.S. from conquering the rest of the world(I guess it DOES occupy much of it, so maybe I shouldn’t ask this question…)? What prevents the countries with nuclear weapons from bombing one another(or countries without nuclear capability)?

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[quote]Chushin wrote:

[quote]Severiano wrote:

[quote]Chushin wrote:

[quote]Severiano wrote:

[quote]EmilyQ wrote:

[quote]Severiano wrote:

The back and forths between you and I got personal a while back. You are the one who dragged b.s. that started on PWI to the get a life forum with EmilyQ who seems to be a nice enough lady. Did you ever take the time to ask yourself why a person with mastery in relationships would ask sophomoric questions about relationships that she already knows about to a bunch of meatheads and jocks? You are a bit too dim to realize I saw right through it and was giving her what she wanted, maybe you have a problem with that aspect in your life? But once again you singled me out by pointing out I was giving her what she wanted lol. She’s an intriguing lady, she’s interesting to all of us, have you gathered that yet?
[/quote]

Um, wow. I just can’t even begin to unravel any of this, and don’t want to, so let me only say that I am a licensed clinical social worker, LICSW, and am credentialed to practice individual, family, and group psychotherapy in my state. That’s very different from a “mastery in relationships.”

I will also say that probably I do have mastery in relationships, as shown by the long term nature of every single one of them. However, sustaining a shitty relationship until the end of time is not my current goal. Figuring out how to identify the non-surface traits I seek (integrity, self-control) in the very brief time I have before I need to either go forward (sex) or cut bait is the issue.

That’s not one of the classes we’re taught in graduate school.

Since I like meatheads and jocks who like expressing their thoughts in writing, and hope to find exactly this combination of traits, this seems a most excellent place to ask questions.

Your response (MBTI) was sophomoric in that Meyers Briggs is taught in Intro Psych, and Chushin knows perfectly well that I have a pretty good grip on my personality type. I think you read my questions and projected your own level of development and education onto them. However, you were trying to be helpful, which is nice, and I appreciate it. Chushin was what I think of as uncharacteristically abrupt with you. Which is interesting as a female observer, so thank you both for THAT piece of my post-graduate study of men in their natural online environment.

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Thank you Emily. I’m happy to help and be part of whatever experiments you are taking part, I wish you luck! I think you picked a top notch site for your endeavors.

All I know of Chushin is what I have experienced online. I don’t know him, or really anyone on here in a professional manner. Of course context, communication and tempers are a bit out of whack given the interface. I don’t have anything good to say about him other than he seems to have some friends here, the way he interacts with people with a penis who disagree with him is all I have experienced and observed. If you were a friend of mine, I’d tell you to look at the level of respect he gives others by default. The interactions he has had with you are a lot nicer than the ones he has had with me, and the ones I have witnessed with others on PWI with people who he disagrees with and he has a rather rigid way of viewing the world.

And, if anyone took the me fighting like a kid thing as a physical thing. I’m referring to the verbal, typing jabs we have been trading for a while now, they weren’t intended as a physical threat. Just calling it what it is. Cheers EmilyQ[/quote]

Oh for Christ’s sake.

Will you PLEASE stop talking about me already?

Everybody now knows what a bad, bad man I am.

You’ve stated your case multiple times.

Now give it a fucking rest, son.

[/quote]

I’m not your son. If you talk shit I’m gonna call you on it, get used to it. Maybe you got the wrong impression, I tried disengaging from the shit talk but you kept at it. I’m not someone who will lie down and take it, AT ALL.

You aren’t a bad man, stop kidding yourself power puff. [/quote]

LMAO. You sure are one tough hombre!

Knock yourself out, then, junior,

You’re too dumb to know everyone is laughing at you.

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Wait, first you try to expose some insecurity about my feelings, now you try to do it by telling me I’m losing face and people are laughing at me.

Do you think I don’t see it? Better question, do you think I care? I get it, you think I’m a dumb kid. I’m a fucking vet fool.

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[quote]NickViar wrote:
-It’s not a common scenario, and would never be so. There’s really no way to prevent it, anyway. Nobody I know looks at his daughter and thinks, “I sure would like to rape her right now, good thing those laws are stopping me.”
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  1. Thankfully, we don’t build our legal and penal systems around “things people who NickViar knows think when they look at their daughters.” That you don’t know any sick fucks is somehow relevant here? You’re smarter than that.

  2. It’s not that the crime can be prevented, it’s that it can be stopped form happening again. You yearn for a system whereby it can’t be stopped. Let me reiterate this: You yearn for a world in which little children who do not pay for the protection of a private security company can be raped again and again and again and again.

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[quote]NickViar wrote:

What prevents the U.S. from conquering the rest of the world(I guess it DOES occupy much of it, so maybe I shouldn’t ask this question…)? What prevents the countries with nuclear weapons from bombing one another(or countries without nuclear capability)? [/quote]

The U.S. has both invaded other countries and used nuclear weapons against civilians, so I don’t see what you’re talking about.

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[quote]smh_23 wrote:

[quote]NickViar wrote:

What prevents the U.S. from conquering the rest of the world(I guess it DOES occupy much of it, so maybe I shouldn’t ask this question…)? What prevents the countries with nuclear weapons from bombing one another(or countries without nuclear capability)? [/quote]

The U.S. has both invaded other countries and used nuclear weapons against civilians, so I don’t see what you’re talking about.[/quote]

Both are true. The point is, you seem to be worried about China when our own country is the one which has done the things about which you worry. I’d rather be ruled by people with Chinese names, after being free for X amount of time, than I would never know freedom because I was worried about not knowing how to pronounce the names of my captors…not to mention that there’s always a chance China would be unable to conquer the free area that used to be the U.S.

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[quote]NickViar wrote:
I’d rather be ruled by people with Chinese names, after being free for X amount of time, than I would never know freedom because I was worried about not knowing how to pronounce the names of my captors[/quote]

You know why this is nonsense. If you are not entirely free in Delaware then you are utter chattel in Nanjing. Pronunciation has nothing to do with it. And there are more than a few political undesirables in Chinese prisons right now who’d get a dark and bitter chuckle from your post, and they get the motherland, as opposed to the colonial, treatment.

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[quote]smh_23 wrote:

[quote]NickViar wrote:
I’d rather be ruled by people with Chinese names, after being free for X amount of time, than I would never know freedom because I was worried about not knowing how to pronounce the names of my captors[/quote]

You know why this is nonsense. If you are not entirely free in Delaware then you are utter chattel in Nanjing. Pronunciation has nothing to do with it. And there are more than a few political undesirables in Chinese prisons right now who’d get a dark and bitter chuckle from your post, and they get the motherland, as opposed to the colonial, treatment.[/quote]

I imagine there are more than a few folks in America’s approximately 1.6 million(approximately 330,000 of which are imprisoned for their participation in voluntary transactions) man prison population that would be happy to go to China.

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[quote]NickViar wrote:

[quote]smh_23 wrote:

[quote]NickViar wrote:
I’d rather be ruled by people with Chinese names, after being free for X amount of time, than I would never know freedom because I was worried about not knowing how to pronounce the names of my captors[/quote]

You know why this is nonsense. If you are not entirely free in Delaware then you are utter chattel in Nanjing. Pronunciation has nothing to do with it. And there are more than a few political undesirables in Chinese prisons right now who’d get a dark and bitter chuckle from your post, and they get the motherland, as opposed to the colonial, treatment.[/quote]

I imagine there are more than a few folks in America’s approximately 1.6 million(approximately 330,000 of which are imprisoned for their participation in voluntary transactions) man prison population that would be happy to go to China. [/quote]

Again, you know why this is nonsense.

In this country, you generally get into prison for doing something to harm another’s person or property. (On non-violent drug-related incarcerations, I agree with you.)

What do you think lands you there in China, or in North Korea, or in Russia, or in one of the other countries that might come a’knockin if the American military decided to call it quits? A little less? A whole hell of a lot less?

Hint: the latter.

These are elementary notions that you already well understand.