And I 100% agree with Zeb about the Democrats putting The Hillary and The Bern out there. WTF!
I could at least understand it when you could say old Bill was “advising” her behind the scenes. Yeah, yeah I know, but you have to respect the intellect. The guy has so obviously lost it now and is just a shadow of his old self.
Cruz/Kasich. I flirted with Rubio for a while, but gotta go back to Cruz. Still don’t know why his campaign did the dirty stuff, and I thought the charges had merit, and that it definitely hurt Cruz.
You know the old saying: “Don’t hate me because I’m beautiful?” Well, I’m convinced that’s why everybody hates Ted…for the brains, not the looks, silly.
Cruz is clearly the smartest tool in the shed. I’m sure it comes across a lot that he knows it.
Geraldo Rivera stole that joke and used it during post-debate coverage but messed up the delivery. Shameless!
The moderators did a commendable job. Every candidate got tough questions and there was no evidence of favoritism. Kasich even got his chance to make his spiel even though that was logistically tough with all the back and fourth b/t the other guys.
The fact check stuff was great and that should be the norm for every presidential debate going forward. Not sure if that’s possible but it was refreshing to see and it would encourage the candidates to keep dubious statements to a minimum. Nobody at home has enough time to fact check everything being said. I’m impressed with how it was conducted and think Fox News did the public a service.
That’s a very good point that you bring up punny. I remember Bill Clinton being very fast on his feet. And according to some women fast on the zipper…but that’s another matter. Anyway, it is sad to see him stand there and he looks like he barely has the energy to applaud his corrupt wife. The man is only 69 years old. Granted he’s not a youngster anymore. But, I see plenty of guys at the gym who are older than him still training and look great. He looks at least 79. I guess that’s what a vegetarian diet will do to you. Then again it could be he is screwing himself to death. With old lying Hillary out on the road every day I have no doubt that Bill is getting his quota of …shall we say action.
The dem establishment has their pick pummeling the competition so no civil war required. Hillary always had that inevitability factor going for her and that’s why she’s had an easy go of it. The Bern movement has a lot of Hillary distrust within it, and they’re saying a lot of same stuff you’re saying about her (plus that she’s a corporate lackey). It’s just not strong enough to overcome the Clinton machine and there are no votes to split b/t conventional candidates like there are the republicans…
Every other dem candidate was dead on arrival. If you had Biden and Kerry in the race you’d see more political theater and maybe a civil war. Bernie also plays the game politely.
It is remarkable how her baggage is shrugged off so easily. I brought that up with a Hill supporter and he told me anyone in public office that long is going to have a lot of baggage. So there you go.
We disagree a lot but I’m with you on the shoving Hillary down our throats sentiment. Probably a lot of dems who didn’t want to fall out of line and get punished for it. Also a lot of dems who thought to themselves what the hell is the point in going up against the Clinton machine. Hillary is really freaking powerful. It is a shame but there weren’t any rules broken as far as the actual process.
We definitely agree on the Hillary’s turn thing. I hate the whole notion of that. Her resume is rock solid though if you only consider the positions she’s held. No one can argue she’s inexperienced.
I don’t read all the papers but the Washington Post gives him an incredible amount of coverage. He dominates their Op Eds like a topic I’ve never seen before. You have all these papers, magazines, blogs, radio hosts telling you what to do and what to think and people will naturally go in the other direction. Especially the people who aren’t satisfied with the status quo.
I thought about this. IIRC, Trump had a “base” of support from the get go, which has never wavered.
It’s basic human nature. If taking a position in politics is anything at all like taking a position in the financial markets, the toughest thing in the world is to admit a mistake (i.e. take a loss). Simple as that. Trump’s supporters will need a mental “out” or excuse to justify to themselves that they weren’t wrong to back Trump; otherwise, they will not waver. Since it seems the main reason to back Trump is not so much anything to do with Trump per se, but revolt against the establishment, that’s why IMO Trump has the teflon. If the impossible were to happen, and the GOP “establishment” could somehow get back into the good graces of the revolters, then that would be a different story.
Now, the late deciders that go for Trump? that, I concur with your bafflement.
Democrat Jim Webb: I Would Not Vote For Hillary Clinton, But Maybe Trump
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By Tim Hains
Posted on March 4, 2016
Former Virginia Sen. and 2016 Democratic presidential candidate Jim Webb says that he will not vote for Hillary Clinton, but he is still considering Donald Trump. "I would not vote for Hillary Clinton,” Webb said on MSBNC’s “Morning Joe” on Friday.
When asked about Trump, Webb replied: I’m not sure yet. I don’t know who I’m going to vote for."
“If you’re voting for Donald Trump you may get something very good or very bad,” Webb said. “If you’re voting for Hillary Clinton, you’re going to be getting the same thing.”
Wow.
On what Webb said I have discussed the same thing with coworkers. Should the election be Trump v. Clinton what do you do? You can’t vote for either of them. But one guy says, “Well at least with Trump you have a chance. He may be good, he may not. With Clinton you know what you are going to get, four more years of Obama.” This is a pretty common thought process from what I have encountered.
Well, I’d say that it’s more the ridiculous notion of voting purely in party lines instead of voting for people who actually say things you think are awesome.
Clinton has a crap-ton of scandals following her, and she does seem to be an opportunist.
She’s just a bad candidate who is the front-runner because of the stupid inevitability she seems to have.
But the Democratic Party in of itself isn’t facing an identity crisis with its candidates. It’s not like either Sanders or Clinton are saying things that are utterly antithetical to the Democratic core ideals (besides Sanders being a freaking socialist).
The Republican Party is having a crisis of identity. Hence the civil war.
And I think claiming that the party as a whole is rotten because of its head is just silly.
That kind of crap is what gets people saying the U.S. is crazy for seriously having the possibility of getting Trump become a Presidential nominee.
Too much anti-Trump in this thread. Have to chime in as a diehard supporter. Trump will make America great again! We’ve been losing trillions of dollars and tens of millions of jobs to China and Mexico and other countries and getting nothing in return. Illegal immigrants are pouring over the border bringing crime and drugs and exploitation. If we don’t have a border, we don’t have a country, folks. Donald Trump is the only candidate who will get rid of our crippling trade deficits and defend our border. That’s why he should be the next President of the United States.
Yes, yep, agreed, spot on. (Had to get up to 20 characters.)
Yes, there is plenty of rationalizing on the democrats side regarding Hillary. If someone else would have jumped in the race Hillary would be getting her soft flabby butt kicked. Even someone like Kerry or Biden.
But of course the American people have not really spoken yet have they? And Hillary actually losing states to Bernie Sanders does not bode well for her in a general election. But we shall see…
True, but so was Jack The Ripper.
And while no one can deny Trump or Clinton’s high negatives it comes down to whose base is excited about voting. I don’t have to explain to anyone that the Hillary Clinton base is not very motivated. It has been shown in the primaries. Trump actually gets more raw votes than Hillary and he’s has been running against 4 or 5 candidates. That’s why I maintain that Trump can beat her. No…I really don’t want Trump to be the next President. But, I agree with your coworkers another four years of an administration like Obama’s we cannot have.
Not at all silly. Debbie Wasserman Schultz has promoted not just a poor candidate in Hillary Clinton but one who is untrustworthy and under investigation by the FBI. On top of that she’s running against a Socialist! So my friend they should be having a crisis. But Obama has taken the party so far to the left that Socialism is now actually being considered by many democrats. Think about how far left the party has travelled since JFK. Who by the way by today’s standards would be considered a republican. Currently they have a Socialist running for President. And the top contender is trying to get to the left of him!
As a side note where is the media in all of this? Covering Trump 24/7. MY GOSH there is a freakin Socialist running for President under the democrats banner. And all they do is tip their hat to him and talk about the states he might be able to win.
As I’ve said man times Trump is indeed a side show. But there is a real story on the democrat side that is not really been talked about.
Certainly some of Trump’s points are worthy of consideration and even implementation. But, the argument is all about the man. Do you honestly think Trump has the temperament to become President? And even forgetting about how far left she has travelled, does anyone think that Hillary has the integrity to become President. These are gaping flaws that cannot be ignored.