The Next President of the United States: III

Off Topic Politics & World Issues
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[quote]ZEB wrote:
Those questions are pretty easy. And the debate I was having with the hot tempered one is primarily about shutting down a tiny part of the Internet temporarily. The part where kids get recruited by ISIS. I would not go much further than this. I think it was a good suggestion by Trump. Just as his suggestion to build a wall and prevent illegal immigration was a good idea. However many on the left are howling about it being unfair. While as a candidate Trump leaves quite a bit to be desired he still has some good ideas.

Now here are a few questions back to you:

  1. Is the US at war?[/quote] No. If you believe it is, can you tell me on which day the war was declared?

[quote]2. If the US is at war who are we at war with?[/quote] See above

[quote]3. How do you think we should handle Islamic terrorist attacks?[/quote] The same way that many other “terrorist” attacks are handled: as crimes.

[quote]Love to hear your answers.
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There is a 0% chance that a war on “terrorism” can be won. ZERO. It is a “war” that will(and can) never end. It is much like the war on drugs. The only realistically winnable war being fought is the one on U.S. citizens’ freedoms, and the federal government is running up the score in that one.

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[quote]NickViar wrote:

Is the US at war? No. If you believe it is, can you tell me on which day the war was declared?[/quote]

9-11-01

That is the standard left wing view. But tell me what does that include in your opinion?

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There is a 0% chance that a war on “terrorism” can be won. ZERO.[/quote]

Why do you think that is the case?

Why?

What are the similarities?

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[quote]smh_23 wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
"War is hell kid and when people die sometimes we have to bend the rules. I guess that the difference between living it and only reading about it. But then again I honestly don’t think you’ve read much on the topic.Ã? "

This has gotta be one of the funniest god damn things I’ve ever read on here.

One of us is a United States Marine the other is a keyboard jockey.
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I was going to post the same thing. Civilian to a serciveman: “war is hell, kid.” What a fuckin bleating goat. [/quote]

I’m just now catching up on this thread. This was hilarious. This will live in a special kind of PWI infamy. I haven’t laughed this hard from a PWI post since the days of Lixy and Nominal Prospect.

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[quote]NorCal916 wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]NorCal916 wrote:
Shutting down/censoring the Internet is treating a symptom and not dealing with the cancer of ISIS. They ain’t dumb. They would adapt.

Their ideology needs to be exposed as a fraud. [/quote]

Will it stop ISIS? Of course not. But it is one tool that can temporarily disrupt recruitment. Simply because I am for this one action does not mean that I am not for many other things that are much more harsh and aggressive. I do agree with you that there ideology needs to be exposed however.

What has Obama done in this regard? What has he done militarily to defeat ISIS?

What would you suggest The US do?[/quote]

Fight propaganda with propaganda. Use the Internet. Get them addicted to porn (half serious). These are young men. Pollute their minds with stuff ISIS is against. Introduce them to Elton John.

Encircle them. Bomb the shit out of them for 60 days, bring in troops to mop us. Civilians will be killed. Use Bribe and bully the rest of the world for their help. Declare war on them and use 1000 executive orders to make it happen.
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“Introduce them to Elton John” Ha ha I love it.

Seriously, I mostly like your ideas and can’t wait for Obama to execute them. Oh that’s right he won’t do any of it.

But, he will pass off this mess that he created to the next President.

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Will keep this handy for future trophies of enlightened wisdom.

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thunderbolt23

LOL…excellent!!

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[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

I’m sure it had nothing to do with Romney losing, right.[/quote]

You are letting your temper distort your memory and thought process.

My final post on T Nation, before I dropped for a while because I had no time for anything but work, was July 7, 2013.

As I am sure you can remember Romney lost in November of 2012.

If Romney losing supposedly forced me off the Forum why did I continue to actively post for an additional EIGHT MONTHS after his loss?

Your argument in this case has no merit.

Throwing out stuff like that is just silly. You really have to calm down and relax. this is only the Internet and we are only debating. Trying to get personal with such baseless attacks only makes YOU look bad and neither of us wants that right?

Your Friend

Zeb :wink:

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Lol, that’s total bullshit of course.[/quote]

LOL you actually posted the proof of my claim junior.

As I said my last post before my layoff was July 7, 2013 a full 8 months after Romney lost in November of 2012. I returned February 18, 2015. All anyone has to do is scroll up and look at the post dates.

You are going to have to relax emotion is making you do some odd things.

Anyway thanks for posting my proof.

See how far you have taken this from our original debate? And how bad you are looking in the process? You are now running on pure emotion and what good is it doing you?

(shaking head)

Oh well…
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“If Romney losing supposedly forced me off the Forum why did I continue to actively post for an additional EIGHT MONTHS after his loss?”

1 post after January of 2013, in the combat forum, is not “actively” posting. The proof is clear as day, oldtimer.

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[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

1 post after January of 2013, in the combat forum, is not “actively” posting. The proof is clear as day, oldtimer.
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The longer you carry this on junior the worse you look. Your math is apparently no better than your political analysis.

Out of curiosity I went back and counted the pages that I posted after Romney lost to Obama on November 6, 2012.

Ready?

I posted just over 28 pages of posts which were about 98% on the political threads. Many on the election itself. You truly are stubborn and apparently vindictive. But beyond that in the process of attempting to make me look bad, all because we disagreed in a debate, {eye roll) you ended up making yourself look bad.

But don’t take my word for it go back and count them up yourself if you want to continue this nuttiness. By the way T Nation records 25 posts per page I posted 28 full pages of posts after the Obama victory. The actual count is just past the 28 page point and equals 704 posts all after Obama won.

Now would any rational mature man call that leaving the site right after Obama won the election? 704 posts! Especially in light of the fact that so many of the posts after the election were actually about the election!

You really need to grow up and let it go. Plenty of people disagree on this forum, I think that’s why so many come here, debating is supposed to be fun. But you apparently take this stuff way too seriously.

Sometimes the laugh is on me and when it is I accept it, who cares? It’s the Internet for heaven sakes…this time the laugh is on you accept it and walk away.

Zeb

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[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]NickViar wrote:

Is the US at war? No. If you believe it is, can you tell me on which day the war was declared?[/quote]

9-11-01[/quote]
Then the war ended with bin Laden’s death.

That is the standard left wing view. But tell me what does that include in your opinion?[/quote]
Searching for and capturing or killing those responsible. If another country won’t allow the search(and there is probable cause to believe the suspects are there–this is not an attempt to extend constitutional rights to foreigners, but instead a way to prevent the U.S. from declaring war on A, B, C, and D without reason), then declare war on that country.

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There is a 0% chance that a war on “terrorism” can be won. ZERO.[/quote]

Why do you think that is the case?[/quote]
Because there is no concrete opponent.

Why?[/quote]
See above.

What are the similarities?
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It’s a war without an achievable objective(other than the obvious one of creating a fearful populace willing to trade its freedom for…the ability to say that it’s at war with bad stuff?).

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[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

Nice revisionist history of this thread.

I don’t hate you, I think you’re a spineless fake conservative. [/quote]

Honest question- how many “fake conservatives” do you think exist in the country as a whole?

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[quote]magick wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

Nice revisionist history of this thread.

I don’t hate you, I think you’re a spineless fake conservative. [/quote]

Honest question- how many “fake conservatives” do you think exist in the country as a whole?[/quote]

A lot.

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[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

1 post after January of 2013, in the combat forum, is not “actively” posting. The proof is clear as day, oldtimer.
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The longer you carry this on junior the worse you look. Your math is apparently no better than your political analysis.

Out of curiosity I went back and counted the pages that I posted after Romney lost to Obama on November 6, 2012.

Ready?

I posted just over 28 pages of posts which were about 98% on the political threads. Many on the election itself. You truly are stubborn and apparently vindictive. But beyond that in the process of attempting to make me look bad, all because we disagreed in a debate, {eye roll) you ended up making yourself look bad.

But don’t take my word for it go back and count them up yourself if you want to continue this nuttiness. By the way T Nation records 25 posts per page I posted 28 full pages of posts after the Obama victory. The actual count is just past the 28 page point and equals 704 posts all after Obama won.

Now would any rational mature man call that leaving the site right after Obama won the election? 704 posts! Especially in light of the fact that so many of the posts after the election were actually about the election!

You really need to grow up and let it go. Plenty of people disagree on this forum, I think that’s why so many come here, debating is supposed to be fun. But you apparently take this stuff way too seriously.

Sometimes the laugh is on me and when it is I accept it, who cares? It’s the Internet for heaven sakes…this time the laugh is on you accept it and walk away.

Zeb

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Lol, you are one dense mother fucker.

Zeb: I actively posted for eight months after Obama won.

Me: No, you didn’t. Look at your post history.

Zeb: Well, I posted a whole bunch of times! You just aren’t good at math! (Graduate degree in accounting, but whatever…)

Me: No one cares. I’m sure it was just a coincidence that all your bullshit about Romney was wrong and you sudden just stopped posting…

Nothing can possibly look worse than telling a U.S. Marine war his hell from the comfort of a rocking chair.

Your bullshit does not change the fact that you are a spineless fake conservative that thinks it’s okay to piss on the rights of Americans as well as commit acts of torture.

Well, as long as it doesn’t affect you that is because you’re a cunt.

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[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
Lol, you are one dense mother fucker.[/quote]

Says the man who originally claimed that I left the forum right after Obama won in 2012 (scroll back). Then had to back track and changed it to me only posting once in the Combat forum (again scroll back). When in fact I posted 28 full pages of posts after the Obama victory. Not only not running away but talking much about the Obama victory. As a side note, did you know that about half the country was wrong about the eventual Obama/Romney race. Some really good political commentators and political operatives got it wrong. You (as a young man) assume that there is shame attached to being wrong and that is not the case. There is however shame in what you are currently doing. Such as, ranting, raving and throwing out profane insults simply because someone disagrees with you on a finite point. Many others far brighter than either one of us differ on a daily basis about this point and many others. But for some reason they don’t resort to any of your tactics because they are MAD. LOL

One more time, my actual post count is just past the 28 page point and is in fact 704 posts at the time. Did you somehow miss those 704 posts when you did your “investigation”? One more time, didn’t run away but actually posted on the outcome of the election which negates your original assertion right down the line.

Using the vernacular that you are accustomed to it looks like you are the “dense mother fucker”. But no I don’t expect you to either acknowledge or admit where you went wrong that would take maturity. Just keep posting because that’s what you do when you’re MAD. Personally, I think if you keep swearing at me you will eventually win your point …so keep it up I am enjoying imagining you seethe from behind your computer screen–LOL

Yes you were a Marine which is a good thing and certainly something to be proud of. But that does not automatically make you correct in every debate regarding national security. In many cases those who have risen much higher than you in the military and gain cabinet posts are also wrong on occasion (see Vietnam for one example). Stop playing the part of the young fool.

As I said you are coming off as stubborn and vindictive for certain. Most people when they are as wrong as you have been regarding my post count would have shut up about it and moved on, (again it’s about maturity). But not you, you keep marching into the fire like a stubborn immature vindictive little knuckle head. Do you act this way in your real life…off line? I sure hope not.

[quote]Your bullshit does not change the fact that you are a spineless fake conservative that thinks it’s okay to piss on the rights of Americans as well as commit acts of torture.

Well, as long as it doesn’t affect you that is because you’re a cunt.[/quote]

Grr…now you’re really going to give it to me LOL “cunt” gotta love it. When facts won’t support your argument go right to profane insults–hey it worked in the service right?

Ha ha junior is now taking it back to the original debate. Okay here we go for the 5th time I think:

  1. The suggestion by Trump was to temporarily close down a tiny part of the Internet the area where ISIS recruits. Brietbart and some other conservatives thought it was a good idea (you probably missed my earlier post on that because you were busy incorrectly checking my post count). But you are a 20 something know it all and I know you know far better than Brietbart about what it means to be a conservative. Are the folks on Brietbart “spineless cunts” as well?

  2. I understand that you have strong opinions that’s for certain. But you are weak on history and knowledge. As those things don’t just come zooming into your head from space. Granted you are a 20 something and your generation is far brighter than any other (sarcasm in case you didn’t get it). But, in this particular case it might behoove you to take more of an open minded position. There are many conservatives within and outside of the republican party who disagree with you. It is an honest difference of opinion. Not necessarily one to go off the deep end as you have done. But I think that speaks more to immaturity than anything else. Would you act this way 20 years from today? I doubt it.

Now run along I’m sure there are other threads that you are able to screw up because you so very, very mad Grr LOL.

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[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]magick wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

Nice revisionist history of this thread.

I don’t hate you, I think you’re a spineless fake conservative. [/quote]

Honest question- how many “fake conservatives” do you think exist in the country as a whole?[/quote]

A lot.[/quote]

What you meant to say was anyone who disagrees with you.

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You’re a clown, ZEB. That won’t change regardless of where you try to move the goal post, how often you try to revise the history of this thread, or misrepresent what I’ve written. I’m done wasting time on a garbage poster like yourself.

Pitt, ZEB, and Zeppelin, PWI’s three musketeers of stupdity.

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[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]magick wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

Nice revisionist history of this thread.

I don’t hate you, I think you’re a spineless fake conservative. [/quote]

Honest question- how many “fake conservatives” do you think exist in the country as a whole?[/quote]

A lot.[/quote]

What you meant to say was anyone who disagrees with you.
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Go fuck yourself.

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[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
You’re a clown, ZEB. That won’t change regardless of where you try to move the goal post, how often you try to revise the history of this thread, or misrepresent what I’ve written. I’m done wasting time on a garbage poster like yourself.

Pitt, ZEB, and Zeppelin, PWI’s three musketeers of stupdity.[/quote]

I’ve not wavered in one single thing that I have said, nor have I changed the goal post one centimeter. In fact, it was you who tried to change the goal post by veering off our original debate and claiming I ran from the forum after Obama won. And I proved you wrong not once but twice. Then you briefly made a feeble attempt to veer back to our original debate I once again proved you wrong.

Emotion, not me, (as I said very early on in our original debate) is your toughest opponent. It will always lead you down the wrong road in a discussion. At a certain point both parties have to agree to disagree like mature men and walk away. I tried to do that multiple times but you kept coming back until you eventually launched your “post count vendetta” which didn’t work out for you any better than your original argument.

I agree you should be done with me or anyone else who can push your buttons so easily and make you MAD LOL

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[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]magick wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

Nice revisionist history of this thread.

I don’t hate you, I think you’re a spineless fake conservative. [/quote]

Honest question- how many “fake conservatives” do you think exist in the country as a whole?[/quote]

A lot.[/quote]

What you meant to say was anyone who disagrees with you.
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Go fuck yourself.[/quote]

LOL

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[quote]pushharder wrote:

LOL… perfect timing Push, as always.