The Next President of the United States: III

Off Topic Politics & World Issues
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[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

Hey we are never going to agree and before I say something that may cause you to be far more upset than you are now and your head explodes I will end this. A few parting thoughts.

My gosh the thought of not being able to argue with you on the Internet is making me feel all funny inside. Oh wait…that feeling are my rights being trampled on. LOL. I really can’t imagine the number one googled topic not being accessible to Americans --porno LOL. Keep taking in theory I will keep my head regarding the facts and history which you are woefully missing.

Seriously, I’ll try just once more…

It’s an infinitesimal part of the Internet no one will care and it is temporary. Better they recruit more of your 20 something brainless brethren to kill people? That is your choice so choose wisely.

Ha ha…read about what we did to the Japanese when caught during WWII you will immediately have a shit fit so please read it in the proper room of your house.

War is hell kid and when people die sometimes we have to bend the rules. I guess that the difference between living it and only reading about it. But then again I honestly don’t think you’ve read much on the topic.

Lincoln and FDR were spot on with their calls at the time. Obama is out to lunch and so is Rand Paul and I’m afraid to say you too.

Do we now exchange insults that is the usual step once two people trade several emails and don’t agree.

I will go first.

You suck!

No seriously we are not going to agree so…

Zeb

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[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

Let’s just stifle .00001% of due process, honestly, who cares?

Let’s just cut off gun sales to .00001% of the population, honestly, who cares?
Let’s just not let .00001% of the population vote, honestly, who cares?
Let’s just illegally search .00001% of the American people, honestly, who cares? [/quote]

Never said any of that as you well know. But …here on T nation when all else fails get out the straw man. Ha…

[/quote]

I’m not surprised this went over your head. [/quote]

Let me just clue in to one tiny little point. Been reading your posts for a long while and I assure you that nothing you can type into that computer of yours is capable of going over my head. (See that was nasty on my part we have to stop this it will only escalate)

Anyway, I know what a straw man argument is and that is what you were doing. Once again, I never said any of that and I suggest at this point we drop the issue…

Here come the insults I’m telling you this is how it usually ends on this great communication device that we have. That is until someone closes up .0000000001% of the Internet for a brief time to halt ISIS recruitment then all hell will break lose :slight_smile:

Okay seriously…comment’s like the following are just unnecessary and cause the recipient to answer back with similar fashion.

“I’m not surprised this went over your head.”

Not a nice thing to say…so again let’s end it here.

If you are upset with me use it in a smart way. Use it to get a new pr in the bench or something. Insulting me will only result in me insulting you back and then you will be even more angry. And exactly where will that get us?

We probably agree on 99% of all political topics.

Forget this one and just move on.

Zeb

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[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

Hey we are never going to agree and before I say something that may cause you to be far more upset than you are now and your head explodes I will end this. A few parting thoughts.

My gosh the thought of not being able to argue with you on the Internet is making me feel all funny inside. Oh wait…that feeling are my rights being trampled on. LOL. I really can’t imagine the number one googled topic not being accessible to Americans --porno LOL. Keep taking in theory I will keep my head regarding the facts and history which you are woefully missing.

Seriously, I’ll try just once more…

It’s an infinitesimal part of the Internet no one will care and it is temporary. Better they recruit more of your 20 something brainless brethren to kill people? That is your choice so choose wisely.

Ha ha…read about what we did to the Japanese when caught during WWII you will immediately have a shit fit so please read it in the proper room of your house.

War is hell kid and when people die sometimes we have to bend the rules. I guess that the difference between living it and only reading about it. But then again I honestly don’t think you’ve read much on the topic.

Lincoln and FDR were spot on with their calls at the time. Obama is out to lunch and so is Rand Paul and I’m afraid to say you too.

Do we now exchange insults that is the usual step once two people trade several emails and don’t agree.

I will go first.

You suck!

No seriously we are not going to agree so…

Zeb

[/quote]
[/quote]

Go fuck yourself, you’re a clown.

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[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

Let’s just stifle .00001% of due process, honestly, who cares?

Let’s just cut off gun sales to .00001% of the population, honestly, who cares?
Let’s just not let .00001% of the population vote, honestly, who cares?
Let’s just illegally search .00001% of the American people, honestly, who cares? [/quote]

Never said any of that as you well know. But …here on T nation when all else fails get out the straw man. Ha…

[/quote]

I’m not surprised this went over your head. [/quote]

Let me just clue in to one tiny little point. Been reading your posts for a long while and I assure you that nothing you can type into that computer of yours is capable of going over my head. (See that was nasty on my part we have to stop this it will only escalate)

Anyway, I know what a straw man argument is and that is what you were doing. Once again, I never said any of that and I suggest at this point we drop the issue…

Here come the insults I’m telling you this is how it usually ends on this great communication device that we have. That is until someone closes up .0000000001% of the Internet for a brief time to halt ISIS recruitment then all hell will break lose :slight_smile:

Okay seriously…comment’s like the following are just unnecessary and cause the recipient to answer back with similar fashion.

“I’m not surprised this went over your head.”

Not a nice thing to say…so again let’s end it here.

If you are upset with me use it in a smart way. Use it to get a new pr in the bench or something. Insulting me will only result in me insulting you back and then you will be even more angry. And exactly where will that get us?

We probably agree on 99% of all political topics.

Forget this one and just move on.

Zeb

[/quote]

Ya, it wasn’t a strawman you just missed the point. I almost hope Hillary wins so you’ll stop posting for another 4 years.

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"War is hell kid and when people die sometimes we have to bend the rules. I guess that the difference between living it and only reading about it. But then again I honestly don’t think you’ve read much on the topic. "

This has gotta be one of the funniest god damn things I’ve ever read on here.

One of us is a United States Marine the other is a keyboard jockey.

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[quote]ZEB wrote:

Yes, it’s easy to be a Rand Paul and spout off about the constitution. But when innocent Americans are getting killed by Islamic terrorists it’s time to put the hammer down. Not just abroad but on America soil as well. It has been done in the past a few times. AND IT HAS ALWAYS BEEN TEMPORARY.
[/quote]

Now you need to do some reading on that last sentence.

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[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]Alrightmiami19c wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]Alrightmiami19c wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:
War time rights are different than peace time rights.
[/quote]

Well good thing we are in a state of perpetual war. Oceania will defeat Eurasia.
[/quote]

I must of missed where the constitution differentiates between peacetime and wartime rights. [/quote]

Read some history books and you will see.
[/quote]

That doesn’t even make sense Zeb.[/quote]

His assertion is that since in the past executive actions during wartime have limited individual rights, it’s okay do continue doing so in the future.[/quote]

Yes, it’s easy to be a Rand Paul and spout off about the constitution. But when innocent Americans are getting killed by Islamic terrorists it’s time to put the hammer down. Not just abroad but on America soil as well. It has been done in the past a few times. And it has always been temporary.
[/quote]

You are just fear mongering.
[/quote]

Yeah, I tend to do that when 17 innocent people are shot and killed by Islamic terrorists. Everyone has a point where they start to see things differently. As I said before yours might be if children are killed, or perhaps repeated deaths due to these monsters. As for me once is plenty. We need to wipe these bastards off the face of the earth by any means possible.[/quote]

We don’t need to suspend the Bill of Rights to defeat ISIS. That is my entire point. 17 people probably died this month in Baltimore City alone. Again, level headed perspective is needed here. [/quote]

You are being overly dramatic, not unlike Rand Paul. We are only talking about a .00001% of the Internet.

Honestly, who cares?

Especially if we can prevent our dumbest 20 something’s (and we have plenty of them) from joining these monsters.
[/quote]

Let’s just stifle .00001% of due process, honestly, who cares?
Let’s just cut off gun sales to .00001% of the population, honestly, who cares?
Let’s just not let .00001% of the population vote, honestly, who cares?
Let’s just illegally search .00001% of the American people, honestly, who cares?

Unreal.[/quote]
We already do this to fellons and prisoners. Why would we not do this to foreign criminals that have declared and acted upon their intentions of killing as many Americans as possible?

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[quote]SkyzykS wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]Alrightmiami19c wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]Alrightmiami19c wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:
War time rights are different than peace time rights.
[/quote]

Well good thing we are in a state of perpetual war. Oceania will defeat Eurasia.
[/quote]

I must of missed where the constitution differentiates between peacetime and wartime rights. [/quote]

Read some history books and you will see.
[/quote]

That doesn’t even make sense Zeb.[/quote]

His assertion is that since in the past executive actions during wartime have limited individual rights, it’s okay do continue doing so in the future.[/quote]

Yes, it’s easy to be a Rand Paul and spout off about the constitution. But when innocent Americans are getting killed by Islamic terrorists it’s time to put the hammer down. Not just abroad but on America soil as well. It has been done in the past a few times. And it has always been temporary.
[/quote]

You are just fear mongering.
[/quote]

Yeah, I tend to do that when 17 innocent people are shot and killed by Islamic terrorists. Everyone has a point where they start to see things differently. As I said before yours might be if children are killed, or perhaps repeated deaths due to these monsters. As for me once is plenty. We need to wipe these bastards off the face of the earth by any means possible.[/quote]

We don’t need to suspend the Bill of Rights to defeat ISIS. That is my entire point. 17 people probably died this month in Baltimore City alone. Again, level headed perspective is needed here. [/quote]

You are being overly dramatic, not unlike Rand Paul. We are only talking about a .00001% of the Internet.

Honestly, who cares?

Especially if we can prevent our dumbest 20 something’s (and we have plenty of them) from joining these monsters.
[/quote]

Let’s just stifle .00001% of due process, honestly, who cares?
Let’s just cut off gun sales to .00001% of the population, honestly, who cares?
Let’s just not let .00001% of the population vote, honestly, who cares?
Let’s just illegally search .00001% of the American people, honestly, who cares?

Unreal.[/quote]
We already do this to fellons and prisoners. Why would we not do this to foreign criminals that have declared and acted upon their intentions of killing as many Americans as possible?[/quote]

I have been talking about Americans not foreign nationals.

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[quote]pushharder wrote:
For clarification: I am a liberty trumps security guy.

I am not for restricting liberty for Americans.

A fuck I giveth not when it comes to the liberty of Syrians.

Bottom line is I support Trump’s proposal in that in adheres to the above.[/quote]

That’s all I’ve been trying to say.

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Do we really have a “conservative” Republican championing FDR in this thread?

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[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
"War is hell kid and when people die sometimes we have to bend the rules. I guess that the difference between living it and only reading about it. But then again I honestly don’t think you’ve read much on the topic. "

This has gotta be one of the funniest god damn things I’ve ever read on here.

One of us is a United States Marine the other is a keyboard jockey.
[/quote]

And one of us is much younger than the other, has less life experiences and has obviously studied much less on the topic. In addition to that the accuser, (you in case I lost you), putting in a few years in the military does not make you an expert. Clear?

When you get another 10 or 20 years under your belt you’ll learn not to make such snap judgments…either on the Internet or in real life.

(See, I told you it was heading to the insulting phase of the debate. We could have avoided it but…)

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[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

Hey we are never going to agree and before I say something that may cause you to be far more upset than you are now and your head explodes I will end this. A few parting thoughts.

My gosh the thought of not being able to argue with you on the Internet is making me feel all funny inside. Oh wait…that feeling are my rights being trampled on. LOL. I really can’t imagine the number one googled topic not being accessible to Americans --porno LOL. Keep taking in theory I will keep my head regarding the facts and history which you are woefully missing.

Seriously, I’ll try just once more…

It’s an infinitesimal part of the Internet no one will care and it is temporary. Better they recruit more of your 20 something brainless brethren to kill people? That is your choice so choose wisely.

Ha ha…read about what we did to the Japanese when caught during WWII you will immediately have a shit fit so please read it in the proper room of your house.

War is hell kid and when people die sometimes we have to bend the rules. I guess that the difference between living it and only reading about it. But then again I honestly don’t think you’ve read much on the topic.

Lincoln and FDR were spot on with their calls at the time. Obama is out to lunch and so is Rand Paul and I’m afraid to say you too.

Do we now exchange insults that is the usual step once two people trade several emails and don’t agree.

I will go first.

You suck!

No seriously we are not going to agree so…

Zeb

[/quote]
[/quote]

Go fuck yourself, you’re a clown.[/quote]

Then it must be embarrassing for you to know less than a clown…

(Here we go…the Internet is fun I can see why you don’t want to lose .000001% of it kid)

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[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

Let’s just stifle .00001% of due process, honestly, who cares?

Let’s just cut off gun sales to .00001% of the population, honestly, who cares?
Let’s just not let .00001% of the population vote, honestly, who cares?
Let’s just illegally search .00001% of the American people, honestly, who cares? [/quote]

Never said any of that as you well know. But …here on T nation when all else fails get out the straw man. Ha…

[/quote]

I’m not surprised this went over your head. [/quote]

Let me just clue in to one tiny little point. Been reading your posts for a long while and I assure you that nothing you can type into that computer of yours is capable of going over my head. (See that was nasty on my part we have to stop this it will only escalate)

Anyway, I know what a straw man argument is and that is what you were doing. Once again, I never said any of that and I suggest at this point we drop the issue…

Here come the insults I’m telling you this is how it usually ends on this great communication device that we have. That is until someone closes up .0000000001% of the Internet for a brief time to halt ISIS recruitment then all hell will break lose :slight_smile:

Okay seriously…comment’s like the following are just unnecessary and cause the recipient to answer back with similar fashion.

“I’m not surprised this went over your head.”

Not a nice thing to say…so again let’s end it here.

If you are upset with me use it in a smart way. Use it to get a new pr in the bench or something. Insulting me will only result in me insulting you back and then you will be even more angry. And exactly where will that get us?

We probably agree on 99% of all political topics.

Forget this one and just move on.

Zeb

[/quote]

Ya, it wasn’t a strawman you just missed the point. I almost hope Hillary wins so you’ll stop posting for another 4 years.[/quote]

Never stopped posting after Obama won. He won in 2008 I think I stopped posting in late 2012 for a couple of years because I was expanding my business.

Stop playing the part of the dumb kid…yes it fits you but it becomes less entertaining to me with every post.

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[quote]SkyzykS wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]Alrightmiami19c wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]Alrightmiami19c wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:
War time rights are different than peace time rights.
[/quote]

Well good thing we are in a state of perpetual war. Oceania will defeat Eurasia.
[/quote]

I must of missed where the constitution differentiates between peacetime and wartime rights. [/quote]

Read some history books and you will see.
[/quote]

That doesn’t even make sense Zeb.[/quote]

His assertion is that since in the past executive actions during wartime have limited individual rights, it’s okay do continue doing so in the future.[/quote]

Yes, it’s easy to be a Rand Paul and spout off about the constitution. But when innocent Americans are getting killed by Islamic terrorists it’s time to put the hammer down. Not just abroad but on America soil as well. It has been done in the past a few times. And it has always been temporary.
[/quote]

You are just fear mongering.
[/quote]

Yeah, I tend to do that when 17 innocent people are shot and killed by Islamic terrorists. Everyone has a point where they start to see things differently. As I said before yours might be if children are killed, or perhaps repeated deaths due to these monsters. As for me once is plenty. We need to wipe these bastards off the face of the earth by any means possible.[/quote]

We don’t need to suspend the Bill of Rights to defeat ISIS. That is my entire point. 17 people probably died this month in Baltimore City alone. Again, level headed perspective is needed here. [/quote]

You are being overly dramatic, not unlike Rand Paul. We are only talking about a .00001% of the Internet.

Honestly, who cares?

Especially if we can prevent our dumbest 20 something’s (and we have plenty of them) from joining these monsters.
[/quote]

Let’s just stifle .00001% of due process, honestly, who cares?
Let’s just cut off gun sales to .00001% of the population, honestly, who cares?
Let’s just not let .00001% of the population vote, honestly, who cares?
Let’s just illegally search .00001% of the American people, honestly, who cares?

Unreal.[/quote]
We already do this to fellons and prisoners. Why would we not do this to foreign criminals that have declared and acted upon their intentions of killing as many Americans as possible?[/quote]

usmccds423 does not quite understand that we would in fact be punishing ISIS. But he was or is a Marine so therefore he must be correct on every topic that has anything to do with…well anything. :slight_smile:

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[quote]NickViar wrote:
Do we really have a “conservative” Republican championing FDR in this thread?[/quote]

Yes, seems odd right? I am not for FDR’s make work projects, social security and a long list of other semi-socialist programs. But he was a darn good war time President, as was Lincoln. Far better than the person that we have in the White House currently who won’t even say our enemies name or the word war.

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[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]pushharder wrote:
For clarification: I am a liberty trumps security guy.

I am not for restricting liberty for Americans.

A fuck I giveth not when it comes to the liberty of Syrians.

Bottom line is I support Trump’s proposal in that in adheres to the above

That’s all I’ve been trying to say.[/quote]

Yes, we all agree on that point. We don’t need Syrian refugees entering the country as they cannot be vetted properly and it only takes one terrorist to kill many.

However, the rest of Trumps proposal makes you shit yourself with anger as you have been trying to say that it is dangerous to shut down .000001% of the Internet temporarily in order to stop ISIS recruitment of brain dead 20 something’s (ever wonder why 40 something’s and 50 something’s don’t fall for their crap?) You have been using a really poor argument that doing this one act would infringe on your rights. You also fail to understand that history has shown us that other war time Presidents have done much more than this in order to win.

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[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
"War is hell kid and when people die sometimes we have to bend the rules. I guess that the difference between living it and only reading about it. But then again I honestly don’t think you’ve read much on the topic. "

This has gotta be one of the funniest god damn things I’ve ever read on here.

One of us is a United States Marine the other is a keyboard jockey.
[/quote]

I was going to post the same thing. Civilian to a serciveman: “war is hell, kid.” What a fuckin bleating goat.

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[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]SkyzykS wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]Alrightmiami19c wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]Alrightmiami19c wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:
War time rights are different than peace time rights.
[/quote]

Well good thing we are in a state of perpetual war. Oceania will defeat Eurasia.
[/quote]

I must of missed where the constitution differentiates between peacetime and wartime rights. [/quote]

Read some history books and you will see.
[/quote]

That doesn’t even make sense Zeb.[/quote]

His assertion is that since in the past executive actions during wartime have limited individual rights, it’s okay do continue doing so in the future.[/quote]

Yes, it’s easy to be a Rand Paul and spout off about the constitution. But when innocent Americans are getting killed by Islamic terrorists it’s time to put the hammer down. Not just abroad but on America soil as well. It has been done in the past a few times. And it has always been temporary.
[/quote]

You are just fear mongering.
[/quote]

Yeah, I tend to do that when 17 innocent people are shot and killed by Islamic terrorists. Everyone has a point where they start to see things differently. As I said before yours might be if children are killed, or perhaps repeated deaths due to these monsters. As for me once is plenty. We need to wipe these bastards off the face of the earth by any means possible.[/quote]

We don’t need to suspend the Bill of Rights to defeat ISIS. That is my entire point. 17 people probably died this month in Baltimore City alone. Again, level headed perspective is needed here. [/quote]

You are being overly dramatic, not unlike Rand Paul. We are only talking about a .00001% of the Internet.

Honestly, who cares?

Especially if we can prevent our dumbest 20 something’s (and we have plenty of them) from joining these monsters.
[/quote]

Let’s just stifle .00001% of due process, honestly, who cares?
Let’s just cut off gun sales to .00001% of the population, honestly, who cares?
Let’s just not let .00001% of the population vote, honestly, who cares?
Let’s just illegally search .00001% of the American people, honestly, who cares?

Unreal.[/quote]
We already do this to fellons and prisoners. Why would we not do this to foreign criminals that have declared and acted upon their intentions of killing as many Americans as possible?[/quote]

usmccds423 does not quite understand that we would in fact be punishing ISIS. But he was or is a Marine so therefore he must be correct on every topic that has anything to do with…well anything. :slight_smile:

[/quote]
You guys are more informed than I am so I could be mistaken, but I haven’t heard anybody~ Hillary or Trump~ suggest that parts or access be shut down or restricted from US citizens. Just that they want to shut down ISIS use of it.
Any clarification or new info on that?

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[quote]SkyzykS wrote:

You guys are more informed than I am so I could be mistaken, but I haven’t heard anybody~ Hillary or Trump~ suggest that parts or access be shut down or restricted from US citizens. Just that they want to shut down ISIS use of it.
Any clarification or new info on that?[/quote]

Excellent point.

Here is what Brietbart has to say. They seem to think that Trump has a good idea as do I. And keep in mind I am a Rubio supporter for those who want to rail against Trump as a candidate I would agree. But, this particular idea, like his idea of keeping refugees out of the US are good ones.

by Milo Yiannopoulos15 Dec 20156,904

“If you are a moron, you could interpret Donald Trumpâ??s statements in the GOP debate tonight to mean he wants to start shutting down specific websites or services on the internet. He clarified later that he was talking about geography: limiting access to, say, Syria or wherever Islamic State is operating from.”