[quote]ZEB wrote:
But did you know that they also prevented many suicide attacks at the same time by Japanese who were not so friendly to the US?
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Please provide source.
And, besides, it doesn’t really matter. Imprisoning large groups of American citizens on the mere fact that they’re descendants of a nationality/country that we are at war with is just plain wrong.
[quote]pushharder wrote:
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
…Can you imagine the United States of America intentionally trying to kill the families of Japanese solders…
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Yep, I sure can.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bombing_of_Tokyo[/quote]
That is not the same thing as what Trump is suggesting.
[quote]pushharder wrote:
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
…When he says we should explore ways to shut the internet down why would anyone infer he meant in Syria?..
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I did infer that. It was as easy as falling off a log.
Quit riding the anti-Trump hysteria wave.
It’s fine with me for you to dislike him but dislike him for real reasons.
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I don’t know what to tell you, he was talking about American kids being recruited by ISIS and shutting of ISIS’s access to said kids. Inferring he meant over in the Middle East is fine, but please don’t act like the opposite inference isn’t also plausible.
[quote]pushharder wrote:
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
So what are you saying ZEB, is it okay to walk all over the Constitution because ISIS might break into an elementary school?
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Oh for crying out loud, you are causing me some serious abdominal pain. “Walk all over the constitution” by shutting down the internet IN SYRIA?
IN SYRIA?
This applies IN SYRIA?
As long as we don’t mess with the damn Syrian internet, eh? Whoaaaaaaaaaa…that’d be waaaaay outta bounds?
We can firebomb Dresden and Tokyo and nuke Hiroshima and Nagasaki but OMG we don’t dare mess with the Syrian internet? C’mon man.
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No.
Try and see my perspective.
I took Trumps statement on the 8th at face value. I.e. he wants to find some way to shut down ISIS’ ability to recruit through the internet. That is basically what he said. He didn’t say “over there” or “In the Middle East” he just said “that internet” and he specifically brought up the first amendment. Read the attached quote from the 8th again please. Why would he even mention freedom of speech if he wasn’t talking about shutting down “that internet” to those the constitution protects?
[quote]ZEB wrote:
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
ZEB wrote:
I totally agree with you. FDR interned how many Japanese Americans?
This right here is exactly why we should be concerned about these blanket slippery slope policies. Thousands of Americans had their rights pissed on because they could trace their ancestry to Japan. It was wrong then and it would be wrong now. [/quote]
But did you know that they also prevented many suicide attacks at the same time by Japanese who were not so friendly to the US?
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From what I’ve read in those history books it was minuscule compared to the number of Japanese Americans that were interned, pissing on their rights.
Let me try and squeeze a liberal hat on here for a second… Did you know that confiscating all of the guns in the United States and making ownership of firearms illegal we would significantly decrease gun related deaths in America. We should do it, for the kids.
Absurd. You look like you’re Japanese so you’re obviously a spi for the Empire, oh you were born in San Francisco and are a show maker, better piss on your rights just to be on the safe side.
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Ya, really, it’s more complicated than that and not so easy.
You all love your crystal balls around here. How you can possibly know Trump is talking about specific locations where ISIS recruits (which could be just about anywhere in the world anyway) is beyond me. How long before Trump uses his power to cut the internet off from American’s on the no fly list for example? He’s at least considered banning these folks from buying a gun. What’s next? The Baltimore riots were organized through social media, time to ban it I think. Maybe we can start burning books again…
Some of you guys, and I don’t mean this as an attack, have so adamantly opposed government overreach for YEARS under Obama and have vehemently opposed re-authorization of the Patriot Act and other acts of Congress deemed an overreach in your eyes. Now you’re okay with limiting free speech* because a GOP candidate says it, that’s unreal.
*If you really think he meant over there than fine, but I don’t believe that. It’s not what he said initially and he’s already talked about restricting the rights of suspected terrorists here.
[quote]Chushin wrote:
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
This right here is exactly why we should be concerned about these blanket slippery slope policies. Thousands of Americans had their rights pissed on because they could trace their ancestry to Japan.
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Actually, a fair amount of that happened because they refused to swear off allegiance to Japan and fight for the US if required.
See the history of the so-called “No-no’s;” people who answered “no” to both of these conditions.
It wasn’t (always) as simple as Japanese ancestry. [/quote]
I will look into that, thanks Chushin.
[quote]pushharder wrote:
We can firebomb Dresden and Tokyo and nuke Hiroshima and Nagasaki but OMG we don’t dare mess with the Syrian internet? C’mon man.
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Entirely different things and you know it.
I never said anything about messing with Syria’s internet anyway…
[quote]ZEB wrote:
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
[quote]ZEB wrote:
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[quote]Alrightmiami19c wrote:
[quote]ZEB wrote:
War time rights are different than peace time rights.
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Well good thing we are in a state of perpetual war. Oceania will defeat Eurasia.
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I must of missed where the constitution differentiates between peacetime and wartime rights. [/quote]
Read some history books and you will see.
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That doesn’t even make sense Zeb.[/quote]
Oh it makes sense
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No it still doesn’t make sense. I don’t need to read about the civil war to understand what is written in the Constitution. Lincoln was wrong on this matter. If anything you’ve just strengthened my argument. Thousands are killed annually in gun violence in inner cities. The benevolent government should suspend the 2nd until this epidemic of gun violence can be solved. Lincoln created the precedent, FDR as well.
Well, that sucks.
It’s okay. I’ll just remember this little chat the next time you rail on and on about government overreach. Just remember you’ve opened the door and are perfectly okay with the government infringing on American’s some of the time if it fits yours perspective.
[quote]ZEB wrote:
[quote]Alrightmiami19c wrote:
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
[quote]ZEB wrote:
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
[quote]Alrightmiami19c wrote:
[quote]ZEB wrote:
War time rights are different than peace time rights.
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Well good thing we are in a state of perpetual war. Oceania will defeat Eurasia.
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I must of missed where the constitution differentiates between peacetime and wartime rights. [/quote]
Read some history books and you will see.
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That doesn’t even make sense Zeb.[/quote]
His assertion is that since in the past executive actions during wartime have limited individual rights, it’s okay do continue doing so in the future.[/quote]
Yes, it’s easy to be a Rand Paul and spout off about the constitution. But when innocent Americans are getting killed by Islamic terrorists it’s time to put the hammer down. Not just abroad but on America soil as well. It has been done in the past a few times. And it has always been temporary.
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You are just fear mongering.
