I recall you explaining why you don’t like Trump, sure. But explaining how he would be way worse than. Hillary? No not at all
Zeb,
Not sure what city you’re in, who is your Mayor ? Ours recently told us we should thank felons for serving their time in jail, and he feels bad for the environment when we use our air conditioning.
Ours gives space to rioters so they loot and pillage without reprisal.
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Political correctness has been going on for so long that we actually have otherwise very bright individuals believing this nonsense. I usually do not have many good words to say about Trump relative to his presentation and his outright lack of speaking skills in general. But, I do believe that if he is elected, as I think he will be, he may just usher out the PC age. And if that is one of the things that he does that alone is worth my vote.
You live in SoCal right? I’ve seen Make America Mexico Again signs in the protests there. Makes me wonder if these Hispanic protestors despise Trump not for their belief that he’s apparently racist, but want to reclaim the land that was once part of Mexico by filling it with illegals.
Foreign Policy:
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Lumping all Muslims into a single group and banning them from traveling to the U.S. will negatively affect our standing with every nation in the Middle East and well beyond. Countries that would have helped us, like Jordan, are going to turn their backs on us.
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Going after civilian family members will almost certainly drive recruitment up for radical groups such as ISIS.
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He doesn’t understand the dynamics of the Middle East or the even the key players. Just listen to the Hugh Hewitt interview for an example.
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He doesn’t understand the Nuclear Triad yet he will have the power to use it.
Authoritarian:
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He wants to change libel laws so that he and others can sue the media for unfair coverage.
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He wants to circumvent Due Process to boot illegals out.
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He wants to shut the internet off to some users (I believe in the U.S.).
Economics:
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He wants to use tariff’s to force Mexico to build a wall. This will drive up prices for goods shipped into the U.S. from Mexico.
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He wants to use tariff’s against China, Japan, and others in an attempt to make things fairer. This will drive the price of imports up.
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He thinks he’s going to force Apple to manufacture their phones here. That’s stupid economically speaking and could be moved to the authoritarian section.
These are just examples I can think of off the top of my head.
Also:
And this:
If anyone honestly thinks Trump will be better on the Middle East than Clinton their Kool-Aid has likely been spiked.
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Much of this we have already discussed, I’m going to pretty much only touch upon the new points you have brought up.
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Foreign Policy:
- Lumping all Muslims into a single group and banning them from traveling to the U.S. will negatively affect our standing with every nation in the Middle East and well beyond. Countries that would have helped us, like Jordan, are going to turn their backs on us. [/quote]
I asked usmccds if he saw any conflict of interest in bombing middle eastern countries while concurrently allowing people from these countries (muslims) into the US and his answer was NO. When the next Omar Mateen wipes out huge swaths of another vulnerable group, I will get no pleasure in saying “I told you so.”
Sadly, usmccds also mentioned such a ban would heighten bigotry against already present Muslim presently in the country. Now the question becomes, who will protect us against the bigotry of Muslims? Also I have no problem lumping all muslims together since they have unifying holy texts. Crack it open and give it a read I suggest.
Lastly what’s worse. A muslim ban or Hillary’s plan to bring in hundreds of thousands of Muslims from US caused worn torn countries? What in your opinion would worsen the security of Americans?
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3) He doesn’t understand the dynamics of the Middle East or the even the key players. Just listen to the Hugh Hewitt interview for an example. [/quote]
He’s mentioned repeatedly his plan to bring in new tough-nosed generals to make the best plays for the American military. Do you consider any of the 17 republican candidates to be experts on military strategy or in fact Hillary? Not even a schizophrenic homeless person would be worse than Hillary in this arena.
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4) He doesn’t understand the Nuclear Triad yet he will have the power to use it.[/quote]
See above
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Authoritarian:
- He wants to change libel laws so that he and others can sue the media for unfair coverage.[/quote]
WONDERFUL. The mainstream media is full of liars, story spinners, and those pushing agendas for higher ups. Today only 6% of Americans have faith in MSM.
My awakening to the corruption of MSM occurred when the Trayvon Martin trial was national news front and centre.
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2) He wants to circumvent Due Process to boot illegals out.[/quote]
When asked whether he believed illegals have a right to due process by Bill O’reilly he said “They may or may not.”
Then when O’Reilly pushed by saying they 100% do and the case law is settled he responded “I don’t think so”
There’s no record to my knowledge where he said would circumvent the rights they are legally entitled to have. Ultimately the due process system depends on how these courts a setup and due process could well be a formality.
“Is this person an illegal immigrant?”
“yes”
“deport”
Would Hillary setup courts like this or the way around assuming she has any interest in reinforcing immigration laws to any degree? You can’t possibly think Trump would be worse than Hillary when it comes to illegal immigration.
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3) He wants to shut the internet off to some users (I believe in the U.S.).[/quote]
Yes to people connected to terror cells in the US.
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- He wants to use tariff’s to force Mexico to build a wall. This will drive up prices for goods shipped into the U.S. from Mexico. [/quote]
Once the price of imported goods rise to a certain point and these goods can be produced cheaper domestically, people will start producing these goods domestically and more jobs will be created.
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2) He wants to use tariff’s against China, Japan, and others in an attempt to make things fairer. This will drive the price of imports up. [/quote]
See above but let me add: Would you rather
A) pay more for your goods and create jobs for people on the bottom rungs of society who would otherwise be on welfare?
or
B) have it how it is now where you pay less for your goods but are taxed heavily for welfare to give money to people at bottom of society who are low skilled? Let’s not forget the inefficient government will eat a huge a chunk of this redistribution because it’s the government.
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3) He thinks he’s going to force Apple to manufacture their phones here. That’s stupid economically speaking and could be moved to the authoritarian section. [/quote]
Force how? You are using the word authoritarian very loosely.
Based on changing demographics I do not forsee Clinton if elected being a one term president.
But your posts reminds me how people would rather have a predictable disaster compared to a wild card where they largely don’t know. Trump has no political experience, so ultimately we do not know what to expect and I think that is the really scary part for anti Trump people
No. Just no. All Muslims are not the same (the fact you think this tells us about your critical thinking skills). Have you ever met a Muslim?
Do you also believe all Christians are the same and the Wesboro Baptist Church reflects the views of all Christians because they have a unifying holy text?
Good grief.
That is not what was pointed out. Nobody said he had to be an expert, it is about understanding the basics. The nuclear triad is quite basic, and somebody going for the most powerful position in the world, with the most powerful military and nuclear arsenal should at least have an idea of what that arsenal is.
I’ll let usmc handle the rest (especially libel laws… cough first amendment cough), but seriously you cannot actually think you’re on the right side of this debate. The nonsense you put on the page is baffling.
There is no conflict of interest in bomb our enemies and letting non-combatant civilians travel to our country either to flee a war-torn area or for business purposes. A Muslim ban is retarded and impossible for the thousand reasons I’ve already posted 50 times now.
Omar Mateen was an American citizen…
We ban Muslims → Another Omar fuck head shoots a club up → dumbasses lump all Muslim’s together and persecute the entire group.
Because you don’t know what the fuck you’re talking about.
The Muslim ban hands down.
Who? They have to both agree to work for Trump and be confirmed. We will see.
No, but probably all of them have a 1,000x better understanding of the situation they would have inherited had they won.
There is zero question Hillary has a better understanding of military strategy than Trump.
This is completely retarded.
There’s this little document you might want to read…
I don’t give a shit about people’s opinion of the media.
Jesus Christ… There’s this document you should read…
They’re entitled to Due Process. It’s not an open question. They get to go to court. There isn’t going to be some bullshit court setup like so:
Judge: You legal?
Mexica: No Comprende.
Judge: Deport!
That’s not how this country works.
Did I say she would be better or worse than Trump on illegal immigration?
There’s this document you should read…
Uhuh… You don’t have a clue what you are talking about.
Econ 101: As price goes up demand typically goes down. Rising prices on goods are not going to magically create jobs.
Clinton can be kept in check by a Republican-controlled Congress. Trump cannot. That is my point.
It’s complete and total non-sense. It’s like saying King Abdullah II and Abu Musab al-Zarqawi are the same because they’re both Sunni’s…
Fucking this, thank you!
Lol, I mean, Jesus…
Look at this fucking idiot:
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There is no conflict of interest in bomb our enemies and letting non-combatant civilians travel to our country either to flee a war-torn area or for business purposes. [/quote]
And people of ETHNIC AND CULTURAL origin from these parts of the world are committing heinous acts. It’s not WASPs, Blacks, Chinese etc.
I wonder how many people have to be viciously murdered by muslims before you to understand this.
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Omar Mateen was an American citizen… [/quote]
SO WHAT? The culture of Muslims is very very different than Western European culture which American culture is derived from. Muslims do not assimilate and stick to their own culture and people.
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We ban Muslims → Another Omar fuck head shoots a club up → dumbasses lump all Muslim’s together and persecute the entire group. [/quote]
Their holy book commands them to.
in Islam:
The penalty for being a homosexual is DEATH
The penalty for being a non believe is DEATH
The prophet muhammed had sex with a 9 year old girl.
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Because you don’t know what the fuck you’re talking about. [/quote]
Read the Koran
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There’s this little document you might want to read… [/quote]
“One of the things I’m going to do if I win, and I hope we do and we’re certainly leading. I’m going to open up our libel laws so when they write purposely negative and horrible and false articles, we can sue them and win lots of money. We’re going to open up those libel laws. So when The New York Times writes a hit piece which is a total disgrace or when The Washington Post, which is there for other reasons, writes a hit piece, we can sue them and win money instead of having no chance of winning because they’re totally protected,” Trump said."
I agree with this.
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Jesus Christ… There’s this document you should read…
This was written by Raoul Lowery Contreras an open borders advocate. You literally picked a pro-amnesty pro hispanic immigration writer. Basically every article he writes is anti-Donald Trump. Great “source”
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Judge: You legal?
Mexica: No Comprende.
Judge: Deport!
That’s not how this country works. [/quote]
There are already courts specifically for illegal immigration hearings.
What I was trying to say was it comes down to the attitude of the administration… I thought that was clear.
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There’s this document you should read… [/quote]
You’re against shutting down communication via the internet of known terror groups attempting and planning terror attacks on US soil?
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Econ 101: As price goes up demand typically goes down. Rising prices on goods are not going to magically create jobs.[/quote]
People would choose substitute goods where possible and any remaining demand would be filled by the cheapest producer - a local producer or the heavily tariffed imported good. Not to mention the tariff revenue the US government would collect.
Secondly, it would create disincentives for American companies to move plants from the US to Mexico. The current setup allows corporations to outsource most, if not all, all of their labour and sell foreign-made goods back to Americans for no tariff or penalty at all. So yes import tariffs do improve the job market in the US with countries like Mexico who the US have a huge trade deficit with.
I’m with you on most of your stuff, but this analogy needs to go the fuck away. The WBC does not run 11 countries with populations numbering over 100 million people. Keep in mind that these are countries where you can be stoned to death for being gay. Also no probski burning women in cages either…saying the WBC is on the same level of loony as these people are is flat out bullshit.
This comparison does not work at all.
The majority of Muslims might not be terrorists, but the majority of terrorists are muslim.
Hey USMCCDS
since you think Trump is way worse than Hillary it’s your duty to vote for her to keep him out of office right?
I have found the perfect logo for you, wear it with pride, make it into a bumper sticker let everyone know how you feel.
10 countries where there is a death penalty for homosexuality:
Can anyone take a wild guess which religion and form of governance these countries are run by? Starts with an I and ends with an M
Does the basic understanding that when you import people from different parts of the world you also import their culture not understood anymore? Has the equalist narrative made everyone completely looney tunes?
Go to any major cosmopolitan city, you will find China town, little Italy, Little portugal, Korea town etc.
Just because this POS Mateen was born in New York and is an American citizen does not negate his culture and religious heritage.
This is buffoonery at it’s finest
So? That’s got nothing to do with what I wrote.
You could make the exact same argument for gun control and way more people are killed via gun violence in the U.S.
Let me hold your hand, per usual.
Manteen was AMERICAN. He was born IN AMERICA. Letting Muslim’s into the country and Mateen’s actions are not correlated at all.
Leviticus 20:1-2
Then the LORD spoke to Moses, saying, "You shall also say to the sons of Israel: 'Any man from the sons of Israel or from the aliens sojourning in Israel who gives any of his offspring to Molech, shall surely be put to death; the people of the land shall stone him with stones.
Leviticus 24:13-14
Then the LORD spoke to Moses, saying, "Bring the one who has cursed outside the camp, and let all who heard him lay their hands on his head; then let all the congregation stone him.
Deuteronomy 13:6-10
"If your brother, your mother’s son, or your son or daughter, or the wife you cherish, or your friend who is as your own soul, entice you secretly, saying, ‘Let us go and serve other gods’ (whom neither you nor your fathers have known, of the gods of the peoples who are around you, near you or far from you, from one end of the earth to the other end), you shall not yield to him or listen to him; and your eye shall not pity him, nor shall you spare or conceal him.
Deuteronomy 17
If there be found among you, within any of thy gates which the LORD thy God giveth thee, man or woman, that hath wrought wickedness in the sight of the LORD thy God, in transgressing his covenant; 17:3 And hath gone and served other gods, and worshipped them, either the sun, or moon, or any of the host of heaven, which I have not commanded; 17:4 And it be told thee, and thou hast heard of it, and enquired diligently, and, behold, it be true, and the thing certain, that such abomination is wrought in Israel; 17:5 Then shalt thou bring forth that man or that woman, which have committed that wicked thing, unto thy gates, even that man or that woman, and shalt stone them with stones, till they die.
You don’t know what the fuck you’re talking about.
Dear lord:
I’m against giving the government carte blanche authority to shut freedom of speech down because their scared of their own shadow.
You don’t know what you’re talking about.
No, you’re as retarded as Zeb with this shit.
I found the perfect logo for you:
It does because of this exact point you make. All Muslims are not the same (raj’s argument). You can’t lump all people of one religion together (like westboro and all christians) because they share a holy book.
I’m not comparing the actions of different religions, I’m saying not all people of one religion are the same.
There are 200 Million Muslims in India. Are they the same as the Sunni extremists that make up ISIS?