Ya, there’s this little thing called Due Process…
These are actually reasonable and depending on the details I could see myself supporting them.
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This is true. I wish we had a candidate that focused more on that. Trump doesn’t have a problem with big government, he just thinks he can run it better.
I’m in agreement with your four points. You can’t drink from a closed spigot.
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How about expanding the E verify idea by making the employment of illegals very unattractive. IE Joe the concrete contractor has 8 in his crew of which 6 are illegal.
First offense Joe pulls 6 months or $60 k fine, he will probably look for legal employees after taking that hit or hearing that Mike the local competitor did.
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I think that’s fine.
The size of the public sector is not necessarily correlated to the amount of land that is publically owned, which is 28 percent. Are conservation, defense, recreation, and the management of natural resources not within the public interest?
In a time of increasingly complex multidirectional and multilevel threats to American and international security, it would be imprudent to call for a reduction in the size of government based on an ideological preference. In addition, those who ascribe to such an ahistoric view don’t understand the role a strong central government has played in cultivating a dynamic mixed economy. Is government inherently bad? Of course not, and it would be foolish to advocate for a reduction for reductions sake.
Oh boy a discussion on what size and scope the government should play in society has broken out.
I have no problem in discussing this topic but I do not want to derail this thread, especially with the general less than a year away.
If one of you guys cares enough to discuss it, start a new thread.
Here’s what POW veterans think of Trump, the very one’s he insulted through his POW comments.
You do realize that you broached the subject, no?
I have reservations on any estimates about self-deportation until I see how they came up with their numbers. However, regarding these points these are all reasonable policies.
This has to assume we have a secure border in the first place however, because otherwise everybody we deport comes back. I would rather an illegal in prison stay in prison rather than free them, deport them, and have them jump the border and continue committing crimes when they were locked up before. Alternatively we could simply arrange an agreement where we deport them to their native country’s prisons. That would be fine with me. A life ban is obvious to me.
- There is already a Visa tracking process. Regardless, there will have to be a procedure for academics however–visa overstays happen for valid reasons and can really hurt legitimate immigrants here for PhDs or graduate studies. Particularly because of the multi-year nature of these areas. I know at least a couple academics that had visa trouble. I am not in favor of taking someone and summarily deporting a productive person looking to increase their education because they’re a few days late in their deadline, or hung up in red tape. My best friend spent months hung up in red tape. I’d be furious if that happened and then the gov’t pulled an “Elian Gonzalez”
This is further problematic because these are by nature LEGAL immigrants with no incentive to break the law and they do not need to have the same punitive measures attached. Illegals will not have visas anyway.
2 and 4) on the fence. There are obvious downsides to this and the big one is that crime will skyrocket when they lose their legitimate (though obtained illegally) jobs. I am highly suspicious of these self deportation statistics given a) how many immigrants KNOW their home country is dangerous and shitty b) how they have gotten used to living here and our standards of living c) how long they have been here if previously having held a legitimate job. Switching to crime does not require moving anywhere, and allows them to at least at attempt to stay in the country. This is obviously a problem. We can deport them after the crime, but that still creates damage for the citizens living around them who were robbed or mugged or whatever.
Most of these points work much better if there is already a closed border. In my opinion the priority needs to be #1 close the border and fully secure it. #2 then we can talk about the rest. Amnesty is not the first choice, but it might work for those already here arguably works IF and only if the border is fully secured and remains fully secured. It will avoid the crime increases from the immigrants losing their jobs and having to starve, but it will not work whatsoever if the border remains open…just more of what we have already got. None of these points will work AT ALL if our border is not already tight.
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Yes, but as usual the devil is always in the details. We have to make sure.
Agree. However I believe closing the border is the way to close the spigot. Deportations with an open border is an invitation to more crime as the previously deported jump back again.
Are you saying we need to build a wall?
And? Doesn’t change what Trump thinks of them…
You do realize that ~40% of illegal immigration is from visa overstays that come through airports. A wall does not stop all illegal immigration.
Unless of course you spend billions of tax payer dollars to make the wall (which is currently a fence) 60ft high with gold plated T-R-U-M-P letters on it. Then all immigration is stopped. /sarcasm
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that’s wonderful! That means deportations of the 40% can begin immediately after he wins as those people who entered the US via plane do not have a separate avenue for illegal reentry
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unless you are a Mexican national I wouldn’t worry about cost
This is the argument the Left always makes, that if we can’t stop the entire problem we should not attempt at solving any of the problem. Build the wall, remove the perks, and fine the employers.
There are simple ways to address the visa overstayers, such as if the visa is not renewed or the person has not exited the country before the visa expires, an automatic arrest warrant is issued and their finances are locked up (the way the IRS does if you fuck up).
Immigration visas should be treated like any credit card, every time you buy something, Visa, Mastercard, AMEX, Discover knows where you are and how much you purchased. Immigration visas can have the same technology, they go into a database where if they are not renewed, extended, or the person doesn’t exit, they are fucked.
People think you need to physically go and remove these people, wrong. If they can’t work or make a living, they will leave on their own. This problem did not arise overnight, nor will it be solved overnight.
No, my point was not “if we can’t stop the entire problem we should not attempt at solving any of the problem.” I pointed out that when Aragon said that illegal immigration should be stopped raj assumed that was him saying he wants to build a wall. There are other ways to handle the problem, as every other GOP candidate was discussing. Thinking Trump will solve immigration with his wall is laughable. Has he considered we already have legislation for a fence? That it isn’t completed because of property issues? How does a wall fix that?
To my knowledge (correct me if I’m wrong) Trump hasn’t mentioned or discussed visa overstayers.
That’s what Romney proposed but Trump commented that he was being too hard on immigrants (2012).
Agreed, nor is it simple. Building a wall is hardly the magic solution that will solve everything.
Exactly. That is what I said.
pretty sure I deleted my post