Oh ya, I understand. I just meant if you dig enough I’d be surprised if you didn’t find at least some backing for such a claim.
Ya, I tend to agree. I don’t really care what it’s called. Shore up the border, get these folks SSN’s, and get them paying all the taxes they should be.
I don’t see the value in shipping them home in the short or long term.
I have a feeling we’re looking at a lot of SSN’s that wouldn’t match up with names if checked, but since so many of them wouldn’t risk filing for any kind of returns/credits and just let their taxes go? I mean, just how many of them are actually cross-checked on collection compared to when paying out tax credits?
I know the illegals I used to work with as a youth weren’t getting paid cash, but instead received pay-checks just like us. Cash would be a robbery risk, and would still have to have been accounted for. And, I’m pretty darn sure their taxes were withheld.
So, you’re not arguing his/my point…
Are you aching to be conquered?
By the guys piled up in the back of a pickup, being driven to the orange fields by boss White-man? Because that’s a pretty odd looking invasion force if you ask me. The guys armed with post-hole diggers to put in our fences around these parts?
No it’s not. IQ is a vague and general indicator of a persons intelligence. It says nothing about their ability to be productive and I highly doubt it’s correlative to criminality.
So? We still invaded and took their land. You said:
Well, our ancestors were literally invaders so it’d be kinda hypocritical of them to be mad about a different set of invaders taking what they want.
Just so we’re clear, I don’t approve or condone of illegal entry into this country. I’m just making a point.
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No it’s not. IQ is a vague and general indicator of a persons intelligence. It says nothing about their ability to be productive and I highly doubt it’s correlative to criminality. [/quote]
Where is pushharders gold bar jpg when you need it?
Even 10min of google will fix this but you can’t be bothered.
I wonder what this land known as America/Canada would be like had the Europeans never come over. I’m sure they would have built an equally flourishing society. /sarcasm
Procreation is the best invading force.
The United States proved that without a shadow of a doubt.
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You put way to much stock in a number that means almost nothing.
Has zero to do with what you said.
The diseases, relocations, and out-right massacres might’ve played some part, too.
Speaking of procreation…Wouldn’t have to worry much about it if our own culture wasn’t a gray-haired, barren, below-replacement level, contracepted mess.
I totally agree.
But, at least in my case (I have no children) I was taught that reproduction was a choice to be carefully considered and not an obligation.
I chose not to have children, and lost several good partners over it. I have no regrets.
I chose education and work over childraising…I did not want to cheat a child by not being able to devote the time necessary to being a great parent.
Many simply just pop out child after child and worry about the repercussions at a later date, or depend on the government to support their poor family planning choices. That…really irritates me.
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Doesn’t the military make you take IQ tests? I know the Canadian military does.
Don’t SAT scores translate into IQ?
Isn’t MENSA membership based on IQ?
Check out this graph I found of IQ by profession. Weird how there aren’t all these 120+ IQ janitors. Dammit Good Will Hunting was a lie!!!
Little anecdote here, a friend on mine took an IQ test when he was in high school and scored in the 160s. He’s an intelligent guy and I’ve got no reason to doubt him. That’s Einstein level btw. He makes about $15/hour doing odd jobs on a ranch (nothing wrong with that, he’s a very hard worker) and has been NJD’s.
Point being, IQ doesn’t really correlate to anything other than a general ability to problem solve and there are plenty of examples of individulas with supposed high IQs that were awful people/criminals. Jeffrey Dohmer is one example I can remember off the top of my head.
It’s funny how you assume I’ve never read anything about IQ before.
Nope
Maybe.
Maybe, I’m not a member of MENSA.
So? Are janitors not productive members of society? Are janitors pre-disposed to commit crime?
I mean, you just made my point for me so thank you. IQ is not correlative to success, productivity, or criminality.
Not sure why the IQ thing is even being considered. Let’s just go with it for a second, though. Your “inherent” genius isn’t likely going to be picking/crating your oranges or cutting fern…You seem to have an “undesirables” type of thing going on here, but the next Hawking isn’t likely to make a career out of clearing the water-plants of the ditches around here.
No offense @therajraj, but you seem to make a lot of generalizations about an entire group of people based off 1 or 2 variables quite a bit around here. That’s pretty short sighted my man.
It pertains to our discussion when debating the effects of illegal immigrants from mexico entering the US or muslim refugees coming to Europe.
There’s a great book on this that explains why the IQ of your nation matters deeply.
IQ can go a long way in explaining general trends, yes.
What??? I hope I’m being egg-headed and missed the joke… are you arguing for a holocaust? Or to do things like the Nazis and how they handled Jews?
How does me arguing that there is a cost of deportation, as in you will have to pay somebody to find these people, round them up, and ship them home make me a denier of the holocaust??
I didn’t see things turning that way…This conversation brings no value other than making me want to avoid Trump people even more.