The Next President of the United States: II

Zeppelin795 · March 22, 2015, 11:14pm

[quote]2busy wrote:

[quote]Zeppelin795 wrote:

[quote]2busy wrote:

[quote]Zeppelin795 wrote:

[quote]NickViar wrote:

[quote]Zeppelin795 wrote:
Who ultimately cares about Jeb being President, he can at least structure a complete sentence which is more than I can say for his bafoon of a brother, but nothing of substance will change. [/quote]

Is this the sentence with which you have chosen to attack another’s ability to properly communicate?[/quote]

As if a little misspelling can compare to a man who is supposed to lead a country. Here is an example of this buffoon Best of the Bushisms - YouTube Your retarded hero on full retard display.
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As if this even compares…
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Really? 57 or 58 states?

Of course, you are the subject matter expert on “retards”.

Not sure it was 57 or 58 but I’m sure you can google it on the internets.
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countingbeans · March 23, 2015, 2:40pm

[quote]NickViar wrote:

[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]Varqanir wrote:

[quote]countingbeans wrote:
http://www.mefeedia.com/watch/40491567

Found it, I think. [/quote]

That was the one at Penn State.

I saw the one at USC.[/quote]

Fuck… I’ll listen anyway. [/quote]

I was never a member of a debate team or anything, so I don’t know if I’m qualified to comment on that debate; but Leary destroyed Liddy. I don’t think it was because Leary was a better debater or more intelligent(in fact, I’m quite sure that he was neither) so much as that Liddy was arguing an impossible position.

Liddy: “My right to worship God as I see fit never extends to coercing anyone into worshipping God as I see fit…limit-ed”
-Liddy then went on to argue in favor of doing almost exactly that.
-Liddy was unable to give the true justification for victimless crimes: “Some people are more equal than others, so we are allowed to control others.”[/quote]

Yeah, Leary was certainly arguing from a position I tend to agree with more as well, and he held his own, for the most part, during the debate. He really falsely framed a lot fo what Liddy said, and had some subtle emotional appeals and other fallacy in there.

It is however, in listening to the two speak, interesting to see how much the drug abuse really and truly took a smart man (Leary) and put him into “post toasty” camp. He struggled to even get words out that it is obvious he had practiced to the point fo canned.

Varqanir · March 23, 2015, 3:32pm

[quote]countingbeans wrote:

It is however, in listening to the two speak, interesting to see how much the drug abuse really and truly took a smart man (Leary) and put him into “post toasty” camp. He struggled to even get words out that it is obvious he had practiced to the point fo canned. [/quote]

I presume he would have made a lot more sense if the audience were also stoned

NickViar · March 23, 2015, 4:20pm

[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]NickViar wrote:

[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]Varqanir wrote:

[quote]countingbeans wrote:
http://www.mefeedia.com/watch/40491567

Found it, I think. [/quote]

That was the one at Penn State.

I saw the one at USC.[/quote]

Fuck… I’ll listen anyway. [/quote]

I was never a member of a debate team or anything, so I don’t know if I’m qualified to comment on that debate; but Leary destroyed Liddy. I don’t think it was because Leary was a better debater or more intelligent(in fact, I’m quite sure that he was neither) so much as that Liddy was arguing an impossible position.

Liddy: “My right to worship God as I see fit never extends to coercing anyone into worshipping God as I see fit…limit-ed”
-Liddy then went on to argue in favor of doing almost exactly that.
-Liddy was unable to give the true justification for victimless crimes: “Some people are more equal than others, so we are allowed to control others.”[/quote]

Yeah, Leary was certainly arguing from a position I tend to agree with more as well, and he held his own, for the most part, during the debate. He really falsely framed a lot fo what Liddy said, and had some subtle emotional appeals and other fallacy in there.

It is however, in listening to the two speak, interesting to see how much the drug abuse really and truly took a smart man (Leary) and put him into “post toasty” camp. He struggled to even get words out that it is obvious he had practiced to the point fo canned. [/quote]

If someone tells me that heavy use of any drug is not harmful, I will say that person is a fool. I played baseball with a guy who was already starting to show the effects of his frequent use of marijuana by the time we were juniors in high school.

Aragorn · March 23, 2015, 4:37pm

[quote]NickViar wrote:

If someone tells me that heavy use of any drug is not harmful, I will say that person is a fool. I played baseball with a guy who was already starting to show the effects of his frequent use of marijuana by the time we were juniors in high school.[/quote]

Yup. Agree here and I know people the same way. I personally believe that most drugs are over-prescribed anyway, and those that aren’t prescribed are overused. That doesn’t mean I advocate government jailing people for using said things.

I think on a simple developmental biology level that it is better for people to avoid using psychoactive drugs (unless needed for management of a disease or illness or something) until their brain has fully developed (circa 21-24 years old). However that doesn’t mean that I advocate the government force it upon people. I’m also not dumb enough to think that teens will do everything they should or should not do. They’re teens. I don’t think occasional pot use is dangerous any more than I think occasionally smoking a pipe or cigar or cigarette is dangerous. As always the danger is chronic heavy use and addiction.

Besides, what fun is life if you don’t have a few good vices?

countingbeans · March 23, 2015, 4:57pm

[quote]Varqanir wrote:

[quote]countingbeans wrote:

It is however, in listening to the two speak, interesting to see how much the drug abuse really and truly took a smart man (Leary) and put him into “post toasty” camp. He struggled to even get words out that it is obvious he had practiced to the point fo canned. [/quote]

I presume he would have made a lot more sense if the audience were also stoned[/quote]

Yes, certainly. 15 years ago I’d call you all fascists lol.

countingbeans · March 23, 2015, 5:01pm

[quote]Aragorn wrote:

[quote]NickViar wrote:

If someone tells me that heavy use of any drug is not harmful, I will say that person is a fool. I played baseball with a guy who was already starting to show the effects of his frequent use of marijuana by the time we were juniors in high school.[/quote]

Yup. Agree here and I know people the same way. I personally believe that most drugs are over-prescribed anyway, and those that aren’t prescribed are overused. That doesn’t mean I advocate government jailing people for using said things.

I think on a simple developmental biology level that it is better for people to avoid using psychoactive drugs (unless needed for management of a disease or illness or something) until their brain has fully developed (circa 21-24 years old). However that doesn’t mean that I advocate the government force it upon people. I’m also not dumb enough to think that teens will do everything they should or should not do. They’re teens. I don’t think occasional pot use is dangerous any more than I think occasionally smoking a pipe or cigar or cigarette is dangerous. As always the danger is chronic heavy use and addiction.

Besides, what fun is life if you don’t have a few good vices? :)[/quote]

Having done my fair share (not LEary levels mind you) of LSD and to a much lessor extent mushrooms and X, that shit is useless. Yes it puts an “!” on your life for a few hours, without a doubt, but it ultimately isn’t anything worth the bad times.

Anyone that says they haven’t had a bad trip hasn’t done enough to have an honest opinion. Bad trips are like a nightmare within a nightmare. Inception level 3 horror.

MaximusB · March 23, 2015, 5:45pm

[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]Aragorn wrote:

[quote]NickViar wrote:

If someone tells me that heavy use of any drug is not harmful, I will say that person is a fool. I played baseball with a guy who was already starting to show the effects of his frequent use of marijuana by the time we were juniors in high school.[/quote]

Yup. Agree here and I know people the same way. I personally believe that most drugs are over-prescribed anyway, and those that aren’t prescribed are overused. That doesn’t mean I advocate government jailing people for using said things.

I think on a simple developmental biology level that it is better for people to avoid using psychoactive drugs (unless needed for management of a disease or illness or something) until their brain has fully developed (circa 21-24 years old). However that doesn’t mean that I advocate the government force it upon people. I’m also not dumb enough to think that teens will do everything they should or should not do. They’re teens. I don’t think occasional pot use is dangerous any more than I think occasionally smoking a pipe or cigar or cigarette is dangerous. As always the danger is chronic heavy use and addiction.

Besides, what fun is life if you don’t have a few good vices? :)[/quote]

Having done my fair share (not LEary levels mind you) of LSD and to a much lessor extent mushrooms and X, that shit is useless. Yes it puts an “!” on your life for a few hours, without a doubt, but it ultimately isn’t anything worth the bad times.

Anyone that says they haven’t had a bad trip hasn’t done enough to have an honest opinion. Bad trips are like a nightmare within a nightmare. Inception level 3 horror. [/quote]

Agree with your last paragraph, as my worst experience on X had me sick in at the Pimp N Ho costume ball in Vegas.

Half naked girls that were 9’s and 10’s walking around, and I’m puking my innerds out from too much “!”.

Aragorn · March 23, 2015, 6:32pm

[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]Aragorn wrote:

[quote]NickViar wrote:

If someone tells me that heavy use of any drug is not harmful, I will say that person is a fool. I played baseball with a guy who was already starting to show the effects of his frequent use of marijuana by the time we were juniors in high school.[/quote]

Yup. Agree here and I know people the same way. I personally believe that most drugs are over-prescribed anyway, and those that aren’t prescribed are overused. That doesn’t mean I advocate government jailing people for using said things.

I think on a simple developmental biology level that it is better for people to avoid using psychoactive drugs (unless needed for management of a disease or illness or something) until their brain has fully developed (circa 21-24 years old). However that doesn’t mean that I advocate the government force it upon people. I’m also not dumb enough to think that teens will do everything they should or should not do. They’re teens. I don’t think occasional pot use is dangerous any more than I think occasionally smoking a pipe or cigar or cigarette is dangerous. As always the danger is chronic heavy use and addiction.

Besides, what fun is life if you don’t have a few good vices? :)[/quote]

Having done my fair share (not LEary levels mind you) of LSD and to a much lessor extent mushrooms and X, that shit is useless. Yes it puts an “!” on your life for a few hours, without a doubt, but it ultimately isn’t anything worth the bad times.

Anyone that says they haven’t had a bad trip hasn’t done enough to have an honest opinion. Bad trips are like a nightmare within a nightmare. Inception level 3 horror. [/quote]

No doubt about that. I was speaking more in generalities. Sherlock Holmes had his snuff box, Hemingway his booze, Sam Clemens and Tolkien their tobacco. And Hunter S. Thompson had his…everything.

Aragorn · March 23, 2015, 6:34pm

[quote]MaximusB wrote:

[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]Aragorn wrote:

[quote]NickViar wrote:

If someone tells me that heavy use of any drug is not harmful, I will say that person is a fool. I played baseball with a guy who was already starting to show the effects of his frequent use of marijuana by the time we were juniors in high school.[/quote]

Yup. Agree here and I know people the same way. I personally believe that most drugs are over-prescribed anyway, and those that aren’t prescribed are overused. That doesn’t mean I advocate government jailing people for using said things.

I think on a simple developmental biology level that it is better for people to avoid using psychoactive drugs (unless needed for management of a disease or illness or something) until their brain has fully developed (circa 21-24 years old). However that doesn’t mean that I advocate the government force it upon people. I’m also not dumb enough to think that teens will do everything they should or should not do. They’re teens. I don’t think occasional pot use is dangerous any more than I think occasionally smoking a pipe or cigar or cigarette is dangerous. As always the danger is chronic heavy use and addiction.

Besides, what fun is life if you don’t have a few good vices? :)[/quote]

Having done my fair share (not LEary levels mind you) of LSD and to a much lessor extent mushrooms and X, that shit is useless. Yes it puts an “!” on your life for a few hours, without a doubt, but it ultimately isn’t anything worth the bad times.

Anyone that says they haven’t had a bad trip hasn’t done enough to have an honest opinion. Bad trips are like a nightmare within a nightmare. Inception level 3 horror. [/quote]

Agree with your last paragraph, as my worst experience on X had me sick in at the Pimp N Ho costume ball in Vegas.

Half naked girls that were 9’s and 10’s walking around, and I’m puking my innerds out from too much “!”. [/quote]

I’m going to go out on a limb ad say that shit was doctored… pure MDMA is extremely unlikely to cause nausea (from its chemical profile) in the amounts likely to get you high. I suppose it is always possible that you are a hyper responder though.

countingbeans · March 23, 2015, 6:39pm