The Next President of the United States: II

[quote]Aragorn wrote:
Thank you kindly sir! I do very much believe that his greatest speaking weakness was extemporaneous politics. I think that is generally one of the shortcomings of decent people: the relative inability to disguise, semantically joust, and/or maneuver in the face of something they believe. Whether they believe it rightly or wrongly–or even whether what they believe is true or not–is generally immaterial to their handicap in dissimulation. As I alluded to elsewhere, this is one primary reason I would never have made a good debater in high school or college, and certainly never a good lawyer.

Decency is something I’ve longed for in the political arena ever since Clinton. I became politically aware during his first term, but having mined the history of the last few Presidents I really think it started to dive then. And then it took on a new level with the 2000 chad bitterness and just exponentially increased from there.

The name escapes me at the moment but one of the great statesmen of centuries past has been recorded as saying “I’ve never dissolved a friendship over a political opinion” (roughly paraphrased). I think that we are in a new and significantly lower quality era of political life. To be sure there have always been fights both figuratively and literally over political stances, and to be sure there have always been extremists. It may be my relative young age but I see this as much more pervasive now. True Believerism to be sure.[/quote]

“True believerism” is a natural reaction to a government that no longer recognizes any limits on its power. All citizens now have to fear those with opposing viewpoints, because those viewpoints will be rammed down their opponents’ throats if the majority accepts them. Just take a look at the private businesses that are forced to do things with which they don’t agree. There are no longer legal constraints on the power of the United States, so opposing views can no longer be safely accepted.

[quote]Aragorn wrote:
I think that we are in a new and significantly lower quality era of political life. To be sure there have always been fights both figuratively and literally over political stances, and to be sure there have always been extremists. It may be my relative young age but I see this as much more pervasive now. True Believerism to be sure.[/quote]

The staffers that I worked with when I interned at the House say roughly the same thing.

From what I’ve heard, the Republicans and Democrats of the 80s could fight endlessly while working, but then go out and play a nice game of golf afterwards.

[quote]Zeppelin795 wrote:

[quote]NickViar wrote:

[quote]Zeppelin795 wrote:
Who ultimately cares about Jeb being President, he can at least structure a complete sentence which is more than I can say for his bafoon of a brother, but nothing of substance will change. [/quote]

Is this the sentence with which you have chosen to attack another’s ability to properly communicate?[/quote]

As if a little misspelling can compare to a man who is supposed to lead a country. Here is an example of this buffoon Best of the Bushisms - YouTube Your retarded hero on full retard display.
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Yes, spelling was the only problem.

[quote]NickViar wrote:

[quote]Zeppelin795 wrote:

[quote]NickViar wrote:

[quote]Zeppelin795 wrote:
Who ultimately cares about Jeb being President, he can at least structure a complete sentence which is more than I can say for his bafoon of a brother, but nothing of substance will change. [/quote]

Is this the sentence with which you have chosen to attack another’s ability to properly communicate?[/quote]

As if a little misspelling can compare to a man who is supposed to lead a country. Here is an example of this buffoon… Your retarded hero on full retard display.
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Yes, spelling was the only problem.[/quote]

I always chuckle when SexMachine rants about the dangers of marijuana abuse… then I read a post by Zeppelin or Pittttbulllll and realise that holy shit, he might have a point.

[quote]Varqanir wrote:

[quote]NickViar wrote:

[quote]Zeppelin795 wrote:

[quote]NickViar wrote:

[quote]Zeppelin795 wrote:
Who ultimately cares about Jeb being President, he can at least structure a complete sentence which is more than I can say for his bafoon of a brother, but nothing of substance will change. [/quote]

Is this the sentence with which you have chosen to attack another’s ability to properly communicate?[/quote]

As if a little misspelling can compare to a man who is supposed to lead a country. Here is an example of this buffoon… Your retarded hero on full retard display.
[/quote]

Yes, spelling was the only problem.[/quote]

I always chuckle when SexMachine rants about the dangers of marijuana abuse… then I read a post by Zeppelin or Pittttbulllll and realise that holy shit, he might have a point.
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Ain’t that the truth.

He has successful ruffled my jimmies this week though so I guess he’s not a complete failure. As a matter of fact I think that puts his accomplishments slightly higher than 43’s…

[quote]Varqanir wrote:

[quote]NickViar wrote:

[quote]Zeppelin795 wrote:

[quote]NickViar wrote:

[quote]Zeppelin795 wrote:
Who ultimately cares about Jeb being President, he can at least structure a complete sentence which is more than I can say for his bafoon of a brother, but nothing of substance will change. [/quote]

Is this the sentence with which you have chosen to attack another’s ability to properly communicate?[/quote]

As if a little misspelling can compare to a man who is supposed to lead a country. Here is an example of this buffoon… Your retarded hero on full retard display.
[/quote]

Yes, spelling was the only problem.[/quote]

I always chuckle when SexMachine rants about the dangers of marijuana abuse… then I read a post by Zeppelin or Pittttbulllll and realise that holy shit, he might have a point.
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I have always wondered if I am the only one…thanks for confirming that I’m not alone.

[quote]NickViar wrote:

[quote]Varqanir wrote:

[quote]NickViar wrote:

[quote]Zeppelin795 wrote:

[quote]NickViar wrote:

[quote]Zeppelin795 wrote:
Who ultimately cares about Jeb being President, he can at least structure a complete sentence which is more than I can say for his bafoon of a brother, but nothing of substance will change. [/quote]

Is this the sentence with which you have chosen to attack another’s ability to properly communicate?[/quote]

As if a little misspelling can compare to a man who is supposed to lead a country. Here is an example of this buffoon… Your retarded hero on full retard display.
[/quote]

Yes, spelling was the only problem.[/quote]

I always chuckle when SexMachine rants about the dangers of marijuana abuse… then I read a post by Zeppelin or Pittttbulllll and realise that holy shit, he might have a point.
[/quote]

I have always wondered if I am the only one…thanks for confirming that I’m not alone.[/quote]

I once had the very good fortune to attend a debate between Timothy Leary and G. Gordon Liddy. It was spectacular, as you might imagine. At one point, Leary went off on a very Zeppelinesque semicoherent diatribe for about two minutes, then, struggling to maintain the thread of what he was trying to convey, lapsed into silence. Liddy looked at him for a few seconds, an absolutely impassive look on his mustachioed face, then addressed the audience:

"Ladies and gentlemen, here I think we have the strongest argument against the abuse of psychedelic drugs in America today.

“It’s not that he’s deranged,” he continued, “he’s simply…damaged.”

Yes, G. Gordon was a Nixonite stooge and a felon, but he certainly had a point.

[quote]Varqanir wrote:

[quote]NickViar wrote:

[quote]Varqanir wrote:

[quote]NickViar wrote:

[quote]Zeppelin795 wrote:

[quote]NickViar wrote:

[quote]Zeppelin795 wrote:
Who ultimately cares about Jeb being President, he can at least structure a complete sentence which is more than I can say for his bafoon of a brother, but nothing of substance will change. [/quote]

Is this the sentence with which you have chosen to attack another’s ability to properly communicate?[/quote]

As if a little misspelling can compare to a man who is supposed to lead a country. Here is an example of this buffoon… Your retarded hero on full retard display.
[/quote]

Yes, spelling was the only problem.[/quote]

I always chuckle when SexMachine rants about the dangers of marijuana abuse… then I read a post by Zeppelin or Pittttbulllll and realise that holy shit, he might have a point.
[/quote]

I have always wondered if I am the only one…thanks for confirming that I’m not alone.[/quote]

I once had the very good fortune to attend a debate between Timothy Leary and G. Gordon Liddy. It was spectacular, as you might imagine. At one point, Leary went off on a very Zeppelinesque semicoherent diatribe for about two minutes, then, struggling to maintain the thread of what he was trying to convey, lapsed into silence. Liddy looked at him for a few seconds, an absolutely impassive look on his mustachioed face, then addressed the audience:

"Ladies and gentlemen, here I think we have the strongest argument against the abuse of psychedelic drugs in America today.

“It’s not that he’s deranged,” he continued, “he’s simply…damaged.”

Yes, G. Gordon was a Nixonite stooge and a felon, but he certainly had a point.
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This debate on youtube?

Countingbeans, I don’t know if that debate is on youtube; but this one is, and it also makes me think of zeppelin. - YouTube

[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]Varqanir wrote:

[quote]NickViar wrote:

[quote]Varqanir wrote:

[quote]NickViar wrote:

[quote]Zeppelin795 wrote:

[quote]NickViar wrote:

[quote]Zeppelin795 wrote:
Who ultimately cares about Jeb being President, he can at least structure a complete sentence which is more than I can say for his bafoon of a brother, but nothing of substance will change. [/quote]

Is this the sentence with which you have chosen to attack another’s ability to properly communicate?[/quote]

As if a little misspelling can compare to a man who is supposed to lead a country. Here is an example of this buffoon… Your retarded hero on full retard display.
[/quote]

Yes, spelling was the only problem.[/quote]

I always chuckle when SexMachine rants about the dangers of marijuana abuse… then I read a post by Zeppelin or Pittttbulllll and realise that holy shit, he might have a point.
[/quote]

I have always wondered if I am the only one…thanks for confirming that I’m not alone.[/quote]

I once had the very good fortune to attend a debate between Timothy Leary and G. Gordon Liddy. It was spectacular, as you might imagine. At one point, Leary went off on a very Zeppelinesque semicoherent diatribe for about two minutes, then, struggling to maintain the thread of what he was trying to convey, lapsed into silence. Liddy looked at him for a few seconds, an absolutely impassive look on his mustachioed face, then addressed the audience:

"Ladies and gentlemen, here I think we have the strongest argument against the abuse of psychedelic drugs in America today.

“It’s not that he’s deranged,” he continued, “he’s simply…damaged.”

Yes, G. Gordon was a Nixonite stooge and a felon, but he certainly had a point.
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This debate on youtube?[/quote]

Possibly. This was 1990 or thereabouts. You might search for it: the debate was called “The State of the Mind vs the Mind of the State”.

http://www.mefeedia.com/watch/40491567

Found it, I think.

[quote]countingbeans wrote:
http://www.mefeedia.com/watch/40491567

Found it, I think. [/quote]

That was the one at Penn State.

I saw the one at USC.

[quote]Varqanir wrote:

[quote]countingbeans wrote:
http://www.mefeedia.com/watch/40491567

Found it, I think. [/quote]

That was the one at Penn State.

I saw the one at USC.[/quote]

Fuck… I’ll listen anyway.

[quote]Zeppelin795 wrote:

[quote]NickViar wrote:

[quote]Zeppelin795 wrote:
Who ultimately cares about Jeb being President, he can at least structure a complete sentence which is more than I can say for his bafoon of a brother, but nothing of substance will change. [/quote]

Is this the sentence with which you have chosen to attack another’s ability to properly communicate?[/quote]

As if a little misspelling can compare to a man who is supposed to lead a country. Here is an example of this buffoon Best of the Bushisms - YouTube Your retarded hero on full retard display.
[/quote]

[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]Varqanir wrote:

[quote]countingbeans wrote:
http://www.mefeedia.com/watch/40491567

Found it, I think. [/quote]

That was the one at Penn State.

I saw the one at USC.[/quote]

Fuck… I’ll listen anyway. [/quote]

I was never a member of a debate team or anything, so I don’t know if I’m qualified to comment on that debate; but Leary destroyed Liddy. I don’t think it was because Leary was a better debater or more intelligent(in fact, I’m quite sure that he was neither) so much as that Liddy was arguing an impossible position.

Liddy: “My right to worship God as I see fit never extends to coercing anyone into worshipping God as I see fit…limit-ed”
-Liddy then went on to argue in favor of doing almost exactly that.
-Liddy was unable to give the true justification for victimless crimes: “Some people are more equal than others, so we are allowed to control others.”

[quote]2busy wrote:

[quote]Zeppelin795 wrote:

[quote]NickViar wrote:

[quote]Zeppelin795 wrote:
Who ultimately cares about Jeb being President, he can at least structure a complete sentence which is more than I can say for his bafoon of a brother, but nothing of substance will change. [/quote]

Is this the sentence with which you have chosen to attack another’s ability to properly communicate?[/quote]

As if a little misspelling can compare to a man who is supposed to lead a country. Here is an example of this buffoon Best of the Bushisms - YouTube Your retarded hero on full retard display.
[/quote]

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As if this even compares…

In the end it really doesn’t matter. Both parties have very little to offer in terms of an alternative to politics as usual. IMO Rand Paul is merely a shadow of his father and Elizabeth Warren or Bernie Sanders won’t run. So IMO it is useless to vote for either a Democrat or Republican.

[quote]Zeppelin795 wrote:

[quote]2busy wrote:

[quote]Zeppelin795 wrote:

[quote]NickViar wrote:

[quote]Zeppelin795 wrote:
Who ultimately cares about Jeb being President, he can at least structure a complete sentence which is more than I can say for his bafoon of a brother, but nothing of substance will change. [/quote]

Is this the sentence with which you have chosen to attack another’s ability to properly communicate?[/quote]

As if a little misspelling can compare to a man who is supposed to lead a country. Here is an example of this buffoon Best of the Bushisms - YouTube Your retarded hero on full retard display.
[/quote]

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As if this even compares…
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Really? 57 or 58 states?

Of course, you are the subject matter expert on “retards”.

[quote]Zeppelin795 wrote:
In the end it really doesn’t matter. Both parties have very little to offer in terms of an alternative to politics as usual. IMO Rand Paul is merely a shadow of his father and Elizabeth Warren or Bernie Sanders won’t run. So IMO it is useless to vote for either a Democrat or Republican.[/quote]

Zep, you’re so entertaining when you try to push one of your silly points, and when it’s refuted, you declare it as not being important…

[quote]2busy wrote:

[quote]Zeppelin795 wrote:
In the end it really doesn’t matter. Both parties have very little to offer in terms of an alternative to politics as usual. IMO Rand Paul is merely a shadow of his father and Elizabeth Warren or Bernie Sanders won’t run. So IMO it is useless to vote for either a Democrat or Republican.[/quote]

Zep, you’re so entertaining when you try to push one of your silly points, and when it’s refuted, you declare it as not being important…[/quote]

Who refuted what?