[quote]bdocksaints75 wrote:
Crossfit. Is all about $$$[/quote]
Of course they’re about making money. Crossfit is a business, what business doesn’t want to make money? You don’t think bodybuilding (the supplement industry) is about making money?
^ I never said they weren’t I just made a statement
[quote]bdocksaints75 wrote:
^ I never said they weren’t I just made a statement [/quote]
Then what was the point of your statement? It implies that crossfit is greedy and all about money while the bodybuilding scene is not… Otherwise you would have said:
“Crossfit and Bodybuilding. Is all about $$$”
[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
Froning got considerably bigger/more conditioned between the filming of these two videos. His reaction to the steroid question caught my eye… I personally think he and all the other top competitors are juiced to the gills [like most sports]. Doesn’t take away from his hard work and/or genetics, just thought his response was a li’l silly.[/quote]
Couldnt watch either vid as Im working but 5 workouts a day jayzuz!
Im wondering is this just one day or a regular thing? Are the workouts at the same intensity or are there different goals pertaining to each session e.g. active recovery, mobility?
Anyway the first thing I thought was steroids! I know professional athletes train fulltime but their sessions are periodised and compliment each other to prevent burnout / injury etc. but crossfit sessions??? Are these guys tested?
Alot of people at that top level use performance enhancers, I don’t see how it would be any surprise if they are trying to squeeze in so much more they need to get the extra boost and recovery somewhere, five times a day though? damn how long are the sessions 30 minutes? I know some olympic athletes can train upwards to 8 hours some days but thats doing activity work not weight lifting.
To me “The sport of fitness” sounds like a slogan written by someone who speaks English as a third language.
[quote]SLAINGE wrote:
[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
Froning got considerably bigger/more conditioned between the filming of these two videos. His reaction to the steroid question caught my eye… I personally think he and all the other top competitors are juiced to the gills [like most sports]. Doesn’t take away from his hard work and/or genetics, just thought his response was a li’l silly.[/quote]
Couldnt watch either vid as Im working but 5 workouts a day jayzuz!
Im wondering is this just one day or a regular thing? Are the workouts at the same intensity or are there different goals pertaining to each session e.g. active recovery, mobility?
Anyway the first thing I thought was steroids! I know professional athletes train fulltime but their sessions are periodised and compliment each other to prevent burnout / injury etc. but crossfit sessions??? Are these guys tested?[/quote]
Not sure if they’re tested, but I doubt it. And, they’d damn near have to be juiced to the gills to be able to handle the workload. Their training regimens are NUTS. Point blank, you’re not recovering from that kind of volume and workload without assistance.
[quote]Nards wrote:
To me “The sport of fitness” sounds like a slogan written by someone who speaks English as a third language.[/quote]
I agree. The term “sport” seems to have become just as useless as the term “fitness”. That being said, if Nascar get in, then Crossfit seems to make the cut.
Call me a traditionalist, but there’s something that seems semi-retarded about making anything that involves a degree of athleticism into a sport. “Let’s see who can run up and down the stairs of the Statue of Liberty the fastest…” Why not a sport?
I question why the “worlds fittest man” wasn’t able to succeed to any noteable level in any one of the other multitude of sports out there. And the dayglow sneakers / kneesocks … those gotta go too.
Some of the workouts are as short as four or five minutes. Others maybe up to twenty. They are WODs, so they don’t really compare well with the kinds of workouts most people probably do.
Not saying they’re easy, those guys were working their butts off for however long the workout was. But I do think it is easier to fit in five of those workouts than say five sessions of 5/3/1, starting strength, Sheiko, or whatever else you are running.
As far as it being the sport of fitness goes? I don’t think fitness is a sport, but they’re fit. Really fit. But as others said, I think it is just a claim. And they are the fittest at this niche of competition. I don’t see crossfit as the same as bodybuilding. I see it in a continuum that has ultra marathons and ironman triathlons on one end and world’s strongest man competitions on the other. Crossfit is somewhere in the middle. Any one of the top competitors in one of those fields couldn’t compete in the other field. And all the competitors are competing in sports of fitness. Just different kinds of fitness.
[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
[quote]SLAINGE wrote:
[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
Froning got considerably bigger/more conditioned between the filming of these two videos. His reaction to the steroid question caught my eye… I personally think he and all the other top competitors are juiced to the gills [like most sports]. Doesn’t take away from his hard work and/or genetics, just thought his response was a li’l silly.[/quote]
Couldnt watch either vid as Im working but 5 workouts a day jayzuz!
Im wondering is this just one day or a regular thing? Are the workouts at the same intensity or are there different goals pertaining to each session e.g. active recovery, mobility?
Anyway the first thing I thought was steroids! I know professional athletes train fulltime but their sessions are periodised and compliment each other to prevent burnout / injury etc. but crossfit sessions??? Are these guys tested?[/quote]
Not sure if they’re tested, but I doubt it. And, they’d damn near have to be juiced to the gills to be able to handle the workload. Their training regimens are NUTS. Point blank, you’re not recovering from that kind of volume and workload without assistance.
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Ok just skimmed through them and I have to say their workload is unreal. I think the first guy ‘Graham’ did 5 workouts and 2 classes all on 1 smoothie, 1 banana and 1 protein shake, then home at 5.30 for some food. Now unless he’s going home to hammer down a small cow I just cant see how he can maintain that intensity and recover adequately? Remember he got up at 4.30am and was back working out at 8.30pm for more rounds of insanity. Same kinda set up for the other fella ‘Rich’.
Did you see the GHD sit ups at the end of the first vid! WTF! 5 rounds of that shit…wow!
Rich did say they are not tested even though he would gladly take a test.
Its the repeated intensity over time (CNS fatigue or lack thereof) that strikes me the most and the lack of warm-ups on big moves. Fuckin bonkers but impressive all the same. They’re on something or Im just a jealous bastard lol
[quote]Nards wrote:
To me “The sport of fitness” sounds like a slogan written by someone who speaks English as a third language.[/quote]
Yeah…what does that even mean? Fitness is a perk of sport, not the main focus. Olympic gold medallists don’t compete to be the most fit in their event.
I feel like Reebok are trying to create something out of nothing here.
[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
Froning got considerably bigger/more conditioned between the filming of these two videos. His reaction to the steroid question caught my eye… I personally think he and all the other top competitors are juiced to the gills [like most sports]. Doesn’t take away from his hard work and/or genetics, just thought his response was a li’l silly.[/quote]
Some cycles being consumed for sure…and nobody is testing positive, Crossfit has to keep that Reebok money flowing in.
WE ARE ALL CLEAN MUTHERFUCKERS
-Greg Glassman
P.S. we will have two unimportant guys test positive in the regional’s to maintain the illusion that we are testing.
^ it’d be awesome if those were actual quotes. Froning is a beast fa sho, but he’s an assisted beast no questions.
I wouldn’t toss around the steroid accusation too quickly.
When I did concrete we put in days that when put down on paper look like they’d kill you, then go home and hit the weights- but to us that was just another day. If these guys are doing these types of work outs as part of their daily routine, eating a lot and well, then there isn’t any reason to believe that they wouldn’t build up and adapt to it.
[quote]SkyzykS wrote:
I wouldn’t toss around the steroid accusation too quickly.
When I did concrete we put in days that when put down on paper look like they’d kill you, then go home and hit the weights- but to us that was just another day. If these guys are doing these types of work outs as part of their daily routine, eating a lot and well, then there isn’t any reason to believe that they wouldn’t build up and adapt to it.
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Completely different. I’ve worked construction/framed houses as well. While it can be pretty strenuous, there was never a point where I was going BALLS OUT 5-8 times a day. I’d bet the keys to my truck these dudes are juiced to the max.
[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
[quote]SkyzykS wrote:
I wouldn’t toss around the steroid accusation too quickly.
When I did concrete we put in days that when put down on paper look like they’d kill you, then go home and hit the weights- but to us that was just another day. If these guys are doing these types of work outs as part of their daily routine, eating a lot and well, then there isn’t any reason to believe that they wouldn’t build up and adapt to it.
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Completely different. I’ve worked construction/framed houses as well. While it can be pretty strenuous, there was never a point where I was going BALLS OUT 5-8 times a day. I’d bet the keys to my truck these dudes are juiced to the max.[/quote]
Oh. Well then, I stand corrected. Nothing anybody does is any different than what you have done, and people who work hard to get results you haven’t are obviously cheating.
Got it. Thanks.
[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
[quote]SkyzykS wrote:
I wouldn’t toss around the steroid accusation too quickly.
When I did concrete we put in days that when put down on paper look like they’d kill you, then go home and hit the weights- but to us that was just another day. If these guys are doing these types of work outs as part of their daily routine, eating a lot and well, then there isn’t any reason to believe that they wouldn’t build up and adapt to it.
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Completely different. I’ve worked construction/framed houses as well. While it can be pretty strenuous, there was never a point where I was going BALLS OUT 5-8 times a day. I’d bet the keys to my truck these dudes are juiced to the max.[/quote]
I’m sorry WF, but have you done concrete work? That can be an 8+ hour “workout”.
I’ve done concrete, labored for a brick/block contractor and repaired/built railroad for a living… and, we rarely had Bobcats, pettibones, or other mechanical help.
Sky is correct, imo.
Oh, while framing houses can be “strenuous”, it’s nothing compared to concrete work. Nothing.
[quote]SkyzykS wrote:
[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
[quote]SkyzykS wrote:
I wouldn’t toss around the steroid accusation too quickly.
When I did concrete we put in days that when put down on paper look like they’d kill you, then go home and hit the weights- but to us that was just another day. If these guys are doing these types of work outs as part of their daily routine, eating a lot and well, then there isn’t any reason to believe that they wouldn’t build up and adapt to it.
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Completely different. I’ve worked construction/framed houses as well. While it can be pretty strenuous, there was never a point where I was going BALLS OUT 5-8 times a day. I’d bet the keys to my truck these dudes are juiced to the max.[/quote]
Oh. Well then, I stand corrected. Nothing anybody does is any different than what you have done, and people who work hard to get results you haven’t are obviously cheating.
Got it. Thanks.
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Wasn’t trying to be a jackass. Sorry if I came across as such. Was just trying to say that while I know concrete work is hard as shit, there’s a difference between a strenuous manual labor job [even one as rough as concrete] and doing several metcon and weightlifting sessions in one day. The body is resiliant, but I find it hard to believe that it could handle THAT much without some assistance.
[quote]imhungry wrote:
[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
[quote]SkyzykS wrote:
I wouldn’t toss around the steroid accusation too quickly.
When I did concrete we put in days that when put down on paper look like they’d kill you, then go home and hit the weights- but to us that was just another day. If these guys are doing these types of work outs as part of their daily routine, eating a lot and well, then there isn’t any reason to believe that they wouldn’t build up and adapt to it.
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Completely different. I’ve worked construction/framed houses as well. While it can be pretty strenuous, there was never a point where I was going BALLS OUT 5-8 times a day. I’d bet the keys to my truck these dudes are juiced to the max.[/quote]
I’m sorry WF, but have you done concrete work? That can be an 8+ hour “workout”.
I’ve done concrete, labored for a brick/block contractor and repaired/built railroad for a living… and, we rarely had Bobcats, pettibones, or other mechanical help.
Sky is correct, imo.
Oh, while framing houses can be “strenuous”, it’s nothing compared to concrete work. Nothing.
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Not any on par with what y’all have done it sounds like. I addressed this in my previous post to Sky. Wasn’t trying to trivialize how hard cetain manual labor gigs are, or minimize those dude’s efforts. Just don’t think the amount they get done is possible without “help”.
Threads like this are good reminders of why T Nation sucks. Not the OP. OP has potential for a great discussion; however, the hoard of people who have never competed claiming BBers are not “fit” is baffling. Do you think they just magically get to 6% bodyfat?
Not only that, they maintain a superior level of conditioning to any of these athletes all while holding onto more muscle mass. Kinda a no brainer as to how “fit” they really are.
Go ahead and watch the video where Dave Tate shadows John Meadows for one of his leg workouts and ends up throwing up in a trash can for 10 min afterwards.