The New Atheist - Mock and Ridicule Believers

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[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]darsemnos wrote:

[quote]pat wrote:

[quote]darsemnos wrote:
Clarity is offensive.

If atheists communicate clearly, it will be offesive, because religion is almost always ridiculous, and often evil.
[/quote]
Insults and mocking are certainly clear. It doesn’t mean anything, it has no basis in fact or point. It’s sad, small and petty, really. If you have to resort to insults and mocking, it just means you have no point and pretty much concede you lost the argument. If you have to resort to it, who’s being ridiculous and evil, really?
What’s Dawkins really saying here? If you come across a religious person, act like your a 12 year old bully repeating 6th grade? That’s fabulous advice, glad you’re taking it to heart.[/quote]

No, it means point out the truth clearly. Evolution is a fact. The Big Bang happened. The earth is not less than 10,000 years old. It’s at least 400,000 times older. We DO have common ancestry with other apes.

Clarity is offensive because much in religion is silly. Take Christianity. God sacrifices himself (but not really,since Jesus is supposedly alive and well) to himself so he can protect us from his wrath that resulted from us being exactly as he made us to be. Well Adam sinned, but god still set him up to fail, on purpose, and everyone else is just born into a losing struggle such that they literally have to beg forgiveness for being born.

It’s psychologically unhealthy to feel guilty for being being born.

This is taught to children who are brainwashed to think they are literally evil and deserve to be tortured alive in fire forever. Love god or he will TORTURE YOU FOREVER. Literally. This is taught to CHILDREN. Do you think telling children they are evil and deserve to be torched forever is not psychologically harmful? It borders on abuse.

Not to mention the evil commandments in the Old Testament. Almost no one lives according to Old Testament because anyone acting the way god commanded the Israelites to would be on death row because our morality has progressed.

Slaughtering entire cities. Literal genocide. Well, sometimes the virgin women were allowed to live. Guess why. Would you thrust a sword through the belly of a child? God ordered men to do this according to the Bible. God commanded that women marry the man who raped her. God commanded people be put to death for imaginary crimes like witchcraft, and for homosexuality. He also commanded half of Israel to be subject to ritual genital mutilation. Lot is called a good man, even though when the men of Sodom come to his door to rape the angels he offers up his daughters to be raped. A man who offers up his daughters to literally be gang-raped is called a good man by GOD. God thinks gang-rape is ok apparently.

This is clarity.

Clarity is saying what everyone is thinking but for so long it was considered rude to state explicitly. Religion has had it far too easy for far too long. [/quote]

This dogmatic sermon you preach has been so thoroughly debunked and is so resoundingly boring to read over and over and over again here on PWI and elsewhere.

yawn big time[/quote]

I don’t know what PWI is, but it’s interesting you didn’t identify a single specific thing I said that was actually incorrect.

What dogma? Be precise.

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[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]strongmanvinny wrote:

Tl;dr: no faith in humanity cause ignorant Christians.[/quote]

There’s your problem right there – you’re looking to place your faith in humanity. Big mistake.

Your faith belongs elsewhere.[/quote]

Faith belongs nowhere. In the words of Mark Twain, “faith is believing what you know ain’t so.”

I have no need of faith if faith is based on belief. I don’t believe anything. I either think a thing is true, or I think a thing is not true, or I don’t know. Believing is not a meaningful option for me.

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[quote]darsemnos wrote:

[quote]conservativedog wrote:
the above phrases circled in red are what i will address.

firstly atheism doesn’t need to knock on your door it’s already inside. hey there’s an old saying “for where your treasure is, there will your heart be also.”

no need to knock because we imagine whatever material or earthly things you seek you spend the day dwelling on how to get more. H-factless is probably a pretty good guy (i think his writings reveal a dullard, but that’s me. he may be awesome in person becaue everyone has their niche) so let’s hope he isn’t dwelling on evil towards others or that he dwells on something that will hurt him mentally or physically.

his material earthly things that “he” dwells on has become “his” treasure his idol-his atheist god. no matter how great he thinks he is, it’s probably not going to continue to uplift and sustain him as he ages.

most young people believe that they will live a long time and things will basically be good for them. friends pass by, relatives too and you won’t always have it good. jobs fail, health, both mental and physical will fail.

it is the reason many atheists turn inward at these points, to please the self interests, the self love because what else is there to sustain you when suffering the world anguish?

you have TV, PORN, ALCOHOL, DRUGS,etc… and bad relationships where others only want something from you, not to uplift or carry you. one day you may wish someone would knock on your door. but the atheist almost always proceeds inward.

there is something else you may not know or believe. the heart or soul will harden the longer you go in this direction. it is as if a veil covers the things you should do to help yourself.

**************** second part circled in red above *********************

“when it acts like all the other religions”

there are many denominations that are close in what they believe, but there are those that atheists throw in with all the rest.

Islam has in their beginning the very same Abraham from the Bible in their koran/quran. if you think Christianity has problems in proving it’s validity you haven’t a clue about how many rabbit trails Islam goes off on.

hinduism maintains the existence of a pantheon of gods. usually if you try to nail it down most hindus i have spoken with believe it boils down to a single god. in their afterlife of reincarnation you could return as a human, animal or spirit and it would depend on your moral quality of the previous life.

why am i going through this? it is to show there are great differences in the many beliefs. however the Bible states God is not the author of confusion.

no other religious leader claimed to be God and fully man in the flesh other than Jesus. there are very reliable testimonies of witnesses from various individual books, written by different men. there is also secular history outside of the Bible books which verifies a real man called Jesus.

a man that was put through a horribly painful execution in full view of professional roman executioners and then had his tomb guarded. the whole of the Old Testament points towards a messiah and in it are prophecies. under no mathematical coincidences could these have fallen into place the way they did for this man named Jesus.

other religions have prophecies but none are accurate as is the Bible and when historically examined their writings fall to pieces. i have written many times here that the Bible is known as the anvil that has worn out ALL hammers.

buddha never said he would rise from the dead. muhammad did not say he would rise from the dead. confucius never said he would rise from the dead. krishna did not rise from the dead. and neither did santa claus…

Jesus said He would rise and His solitary life, like mcdonalds has touched billions.

P.S.

i know there are critical writing issues. correct me if you have time

[/quote]

So had Mohammed’s. Meaningless.
[/quote]

What’s weird is the attempt to “figure out” those of us who don’t believe. To make up all these things that believers must invent for how we can possibly breathe air and make it through the day not believing in God. And it’s not even a lack of belief in God because many of these people have a strong disdain for religions that aren’t the same as their own. It’s not like if I was a Muslim I would be thought of as anything better by some of the people on here. They would invent their own reasons and horrific things to say about those belief systems as well.

A lot of these people seem to be simply upset that someone has come to a different conclusion to them on something. It either angers them or certainly gets their brain going. The massive judgments and attempts to figure out what different people are lacking because they don’t feel the same way as someone else. It’s highly strange. It seems as if a real anger exists from some believers on here that people don’t feel like them. They sure make a lot of threads about it. They sure get worked up about the subject. It seems as if anyone coming to a conclusion different from them (Muslim, Hindu, agnostic) is not ok.

Honestly the judgments alone are just bizarre. People who know nothing about me trying to say I dwell on material earthly things? Trying to invent all these thoughts and ideas that non believers must have? Searching, inventing, putting all these things on people they know nothing about simply because they have come to a different conclusion? It’s bizarre. I just want one of them to come out and put it simply “it pisses me off that you don’t feel like I do.”

I don’t think any of them will do that, but their words certainly come off in a myriad of these threads that read that way. I just don’t see what the big deal is. Believe what you want to believe and why try and attempt to change everyone else to what you believe? Everyone has already admitted no one changes their minds from these type of threads, yet everyone is always in here trying to convert the non believers and save us from ourselves.

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[quote]H factor wrote:

[quote]darsemnos wrote:

[quote]conservativedog wrote:
the above phrases circled in red are what i will address.

firstly atheism doesn’t need to knock on your door it’s already inside. hey there’s an old saying “for where your treasure is, there will your heart be also.”

no need to knock because we imagine whatever material or earthly things you seek you spend the day dwelling on how to get more. H-factless is probably a pretty good guy (i think his writings reveal a dullard, but that’s me. he may be awesome in person becaue everyone has their niche) so let’s hope he isn’t dwelling on evil towards others or that he dwells on something that will hurt him mentally or physically.

his material earthly things that “he” dwells on has become “his” treasure his idol-his atheist god. no matter how great he thinks he is, it’s probably not going to continue to uplift and sustain him as he ages.

most young people believe that they will live a long time and things will basically be good for them. friends pass by, relatives too and you won’t always have it good. jobs fail, health, both mental and physical will fail.

it is the reason many atheists turn inward at these points, to please the self interests, the self love because what else is there to sustain you when suffering the world anguish?

you have TV, PORN, ALCOHOL, DRUGS,etc… and bad relationships where others only want something from you, not to uplift or carry you. one day you may wish someone would knock on your door. but the atheist almost always proceeds inward.

there is something else you may not know or believe. the heart or soul will harden the longer you go in this direction. it is as if a veil covers the things you should do to help yourself.

**************** second part circled in red above *********************

“when it acts like all the other religions”

there are many denominations that are close in what they believe, but there are those that atheists throw in with all the rest.

Islam has in their beginning the very same Abraham from the Bible in their koran/quran. if you think Christianity has problems in proving it’s validity you haven’t a clue about how many rabbit trails Islam goes off on.

hinduism maintains the existence of a pantheon of gods. usually if you try to nail it down most hindus i have spoken with believe it boils down to a single god. in their afterlife of reincarnation you could return as a human, animal or spirit and it would depend on your moral quality of the previous life.

why am i going through this? it is to show there are great differences in the many beliefs. however the Bible states God is not the author of confusion.

no other religious leader claimed to be God and fully man in the flesh other than Jesus. there are very reliable testimonies of witnesses from various individual books, written by different men. there is also secular history outside of the Bible books which verifies a real man called Jesus.

a man that was put through a horribly painful execution in full view of professional roman executioners and then had his tomb guarded. the whole of the Old Testament points towards a messiah and in it are prophecies. under no mathematical coincidences could these have fallen into place the way they did for this man named Jesus.

other religions have prophecies but none are accurate as is the Bible and when historically examined their writings fall to pieces. i have written many times here that the Bible is known as the anvil that has worn out ALL hammers.

buddha never said he would rise from the dead. muhammad did not say he would rise from the dead. confucius never said he would rise from the dead. krishna did not rise from the dead. and neither did santa claus…

Jesus said He would rise and His solitary life, like mcdonalds has touched billions.

P.S.

i know there are critical writing issues. correct me if you have time

[/quote]

So had Mohammed’s. Meaningless.
[/quote]

What’s weird is the attempt to “figure out” those of us who don’t believe. To make up all these things that believers must invent for how we can possibly breathe air and make it through the day not believing in God. And it’s not even a lack of belief in God because many of these people have a strong disdain for religions that aren’t the same as their own. It’s not like if I was a Muslim I would be thought of as anything better by some of the people on here. They would invent their own reasons and horrific things to say about those belief systems as well.

A lot of these people seem to be simply upset that someone has come to a different conclusion to them on something. It either angers them or certainly gets their brain going. The massive judgments and attempts to figure out what different people are lacking because they don’t feel the same way as someone else. It’s highly strange. It seems as if a real anger exists from some believers on here that people don’t feel like them. They sure make a lot of threads about it. They sure get worked up about the subject. It seems as if anyone coming to a conclusion different from them (Muslim, Hindu, agnostic) is not ok.

Honestly the judgments alone are just bizarre. People who know nothing about me trying to say I dwell on material earthly things? Trying to invent all these thoughts and ideas that non believers must have? Searching, inventing, putting all these things on people they know nothing about simply because they have come to a different conclusion? It’s bizarre. I just want one of them to come out and put it simply “it pisses me off that you don’t feel like I do.”

I don’t think any of them will do that, but their words certainly come off in a myriad of these threads that read that way. I just don’t see what the big deal is. Believe what you want to believe and why try and attempt to change everyone else to what you believe? Everyone has already admitted no one changes their minds from these type of threads, yet everyone is always in here trying to convert the non believers and save us from ourselves. [/quote]

This explains a lot. Though it’s not like atheists don’t ever behave similarly.

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[quote]conservativedog wrote:
the above phrases circled in red are what i will address.

firstly atheism doesn’t need to knock on your door it’s already inside. hey there’s an old saying “for where your treasure is, there will your heart be also.”

no need to knock because we imagine whatever material or earthly things you seek you spend the day dwelling on how to get more. H-factless is probably a pretty good guy (i think his writings reveal a dullard, but that’s me. he may be awesome in person becaue everyone has their niche) so let’s hope he isn’t dwelling on evil towards others or that he dwells on something that will hurt him mentally or physically.

his material earthly things that “he” dwells on has become “his” treasure his idol-his atheist god. no matter how great he thinks he is, it’s probably not going to continue to uplift and sustain him as he ages.

most young people believe that they will live a long time and things will basically be good for them. friends pass by, relatives too and you won’t always have it good. jobs fail, health, both mental and physical will fail.

it is the reason many atheists turn inward at these points, to please the self interests, the self love because what else is there to sustain you when suffering the world anguish?

you have TV, PORN, ALCOHOL, DRUGS,etc… and bad relationships where others only want something from you, not to uplift or carry you. one day you may wish someone would knock on your door. but the atheist almost always proceeds inward.

there is something else you may not know or believe. the heart or soul will harden the longer you go in this direction. it is as if a veil covers the things you should do to help yourself.

**************** second part circled in red above *********************

“when it acts like all the other religions”

there are many denominations that are close in what they believe, but there are those that atheists throw in with all the rest.

Islam has in their beginning the very same Abraham from the Bible in their koran/quran. if you think Christianity has problems in proving it’s validity you haven’t a clue about how many rabbit trails Islam goes off on.

hinduism maintains the existence of a pantheon of gods. usually if you try to nail it down most hindus i have spoken with believe it boils down to a single god. in their afterlife of reincarnation you could return as a human, animal or spirit and it would depend on your moral quality of the previous life.

why am i going through this? it is to show there are great differences in the many beliefs. however the Bible states God is not the author of confusion.

no other religious leader claimed to be God and fully man in the flesh other than Jesus. there are very reliable testimonies of witnesses from various individual books, written by different men. there is also secular history outside of the Bible books which verifies a real man called Jesus.

a man that was put through a horribly painful execution in full view of professional roman executioners and then had his tomb guarded. the whole of the Old Testament points towards a messiah and in it are prophecies. under no mathematical coincidences could these have fallen into place the way they did for this man named Jesus.

other religions have prophecies but none are accurate as is the Bible and when historically examined their writings fall to pieces. i have written many times here that the Bible is known as the anvil that has worn out ALL hammers.

buddha never said he would rise from the dead. muhammad did not say he would rise from the dead. confucius never said he would rise from the dead. krishna did not rise from the dead. and neither did santa claus…

Jesus said He would rise and His solitary life, like mcdonalds has touched billions.

P.S.

i know there are critical writing issues. correct me if you have time

[/quote]

his material earthly things that “he” dwells on has become “his” treasure his idol-his atheist god. no matter how great he thinks he is, it’s probably not going to continue to uplift and sustain him as he ages.

most young people believe that they will live a long time and things will basically be good for them. friends pass by, relatives too and you won’t always have it good. jobs fail, health, both mental and physical will fail.

it is the reason many atheists turn inward at these points, to please the self interests, the self love because what else is there to sustain you when suffering the world anguish?

you have TV, PORN, ALCOHOL, DRUGS,etc… and bad relationships where others only want something from you, not to uplift or carry you. one day you may wish someone would knock on your door. but the atheist almost always proceeds inward.

there is something else you may not know or believe. the heart or soul will harden the longer you go in this direction. it is as if a veil covers the things you should do to help yourself.

The above is shockingly judgmental.

We’re atheists, we have no gods. But we also don’t deny the possibility of a god. An atheist doesn’t think HE is god, except in my allowance for the possibility of a Buddhist type god.

32 may still be somewhat young, but it’s old enough to know that the body runs down and I’m definitely going to die. And I know enough people my age whose parents have died, mine are mid-60’s to realize I really may have very little time left with them.

Life is tragic. Atheists recognize this, perhaps better than theists, because we think death may actually be a real thing, though we aren’t wedded to that idea. Atheism contains within it the possibility of an afterlife, just not the certainty of one. Theists think they are sure no one ever truly dies.

What’s intrinsically wrong with TV, porn, alcohol, or drugs. All of these can be enjoyed in moderation. I don’t think porn is all that useful, and it may actually almost always have a net negative effect. But alcohol? A buzz is fun. Drugs? Honestly I’m not a fan of weed, but partaking occasionally is not a big deal. Psychedelics even show promise in treating people with PTSD and other mental issues and giving people potentially valuable new perspectives on things.

What’s wrong with turning inward? We all exist entirely within our own minds. Everything we experience takes place in the physical place known as our brain.

What’s wrong with self-interest? My self-interest includes the well-being of others. I wish no ill on any fellow primate. The genuine suffering of any other living creature, not just humans, bothers me to some extent. I’m happier if the people around me are happier, so my self-interest includes to a large extent, the happiness of others.

What makes you think atheists are more materialistic than theists? I have one prized posession. It’s an american indian artifact I found in Colorado. There is nothing else I own that I would care about losing, except maybe my telescope, but that’s easily replaceable. I HATE having “stuff.” If I could fit all of my belongings in a sedan I’d be happy with that. Things are meaningless to me, and I get a lot of pleasure of giving away something that means something to me, though that doesn’t happen often.

I like money. So what? It represents power and freedom. Who wouldn’t like to be able to do what he wants when he wants. That’s that money does for me. I am greedy, but so is everyone else. I merely admit it and refuse to feel bad for my nature.

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[quote]H factor wrote:

[quote]darsemnos wrote:

[quote]conservativedog wrote:
the above phrases circled in red are what i will address.

firstly atheism doesn’t need to knock on your door it’s already inside. hey there’s an old saying “for where your treasure is, there will your heart be also.”

no need to knock because we imagine whatever material or earthly things you seek you spend the day dwelling on how to get more. H-factless is probably a pretty good guy (i think his writings reveal a dullard, but that’s me. he may be awesome in person becaue everyone has their niche) so let’s hope he isn’t dwelling on evil towards others or that he dwells on something that will hurt him mentally or physically.

his material earthly things that “he” dwells on has become “his” treasure his idol-his atheist god. no matter how great he thinks he is, it’s probably not going to continue to uplift and sustain him as he ages.

most young people believe that they will live a long time and things will basically be good for them. friends pass by, relatives too and you won’t always have it good. jobs fail, health, both mental and physical will fail.

it is the reason many atheists turn inward at these points, to please the self interests, the self love because what else is there to sustain you when suffering the world anguish?

you have TV, PORN, ALCOHOL, DRUGS,etc… and bad relationships where others only want something from you, not to uplift or carry you. one day you may wish someone would knock on your door. but the atheist almost always proceeds inward.

there is something else you may not know or believe. the heart or soul will harden the longer you go in this direction. it is as if a veil covers the things you should do to help yourself.

**************** second part circled in red above *********************

“when it acts like all the other religions”

there are many denominations that are close in what they believe, but there are those that atheists throw in with all the rest.

Islam has in their beginning the very same Abraham from the Bible in their koran/quran. if you think Christianity has problems in proving it’s validity you haven’t a clue about how many rabbit trails Islam goes off on.

hinduism maintains the existence of a pantheon of gods. usually if you try to nail it down most hindus i have spoken with believe it boils down to a single god. in their afterlife of reincarnation you could return as a human, animal or spirit and it would depend on your moral quality of the previous life.

why am i going through this? it is to show there are great differences in the many beliefs. however the Bible states God is not the author of confusion.

no other religious leader claimed to be God and fully man in the flesh other than Jesus. there are very reliable testimonies of witnesses from various individual books, written by different men. there is also secular history outside of the Bible books which verifies a real man called Jesus.

a man that was put through a horribly painful execution in full view of professional roman executioners and then had his tomb guarded. the whole of the Old Testament points towards a messiah and in it are prophecies. under no mathematical coincidences could these have fallen into place the way they did for this man named Jesus.

other religions have prophecies but none are accurate as is the Bible and when historically examined their writings fall to pieces. i have written many times here that the Bible is known as the anvil that has worn out ALL hammers.

buddha never said he would rise from the dead. muhammad did not say he would rise from the dead. confucius never said he would rise from the dead. krishna did not rise from the dead. and neither did santa claus…

Jesus said He would rise and His solitary life, like mcdonalds has touched billions.

P.S.

i know there are critical writing issues. correct me if you have time

[/quote]

So had Mohammed’s. Meaningless.
[/quote]

What’s weird is the attempt to “figure out” those of us who don’t believe. To make up all these things that believers must invent for how we can possibly breathe air and make it through the day not believing in God. And it’s not even a lack of belief in God because many of these people have a strong disdain for religions that aren’t the same as their own. It’s not like if I was a Muslim I would be thought of as anything better by some of the people on here. They would invent their own reasons and horrific things to say about those belief systems as well.

A lot of these people seem to be simply upset that someone has come to a different conclusion to them on something. It either angers them or certainly gets their brain going. The massive judgments and attempts to figure out what different people are lacking because they don’t feel the same way as someone else. It’s highly strange. It seems as if a real anger exists from some believers on here that people don’t feel like them. They sure make a lot of threads about it. They sure get worked up about the subject. It seems as if anyone coming to a conclusion different from them (Muslim, Hindu, agnostic) is not ok.

Honestly the judgments alone are just bizarre. People who know nothing about me trying to say I dwell on material earthly things? Trying to invent all these thoughts and ideas that non believers must have? Searching, inventing, putting all these things on people they know nothing about simply because they have come to a different conclusion? It’s bizarre. [/quote]

It’s because deep down we just want to sin and not be held accountable. Because, you know, you have so much fun torturing animals, raping, stealing, murdering, eating babies, that you don’t care about being roasted over a fire pit forever. Because that’s a good trade off. And we simply are so full of hatred towards the creator of the universe that we’re above begging him not to torture us.

Because deep down we know god is real…

Right.

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[quote]darsemnos wrote:

[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]strongmanvinny wrote:

Tl;dr: no faith in humanity cause ignorant Christians.[/quote]

There’s your problem right there – you’re looking to place your faith in humanity. Big mistake.

Your faith belongs elsewhere.[/quote]

Faith belongs nowhere. In the words of Mark Twain, “faith is believing what you know ain’t so.”

I have no need of faith if faith is based on belief. I don’t believe anything. I either think a thing is true, or I think a thing is not true, or I don’t know. Believing is not a meaningful option for me.[/quote]

This makes no sense.

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[quote]xXSeraphimXx wrote:

[quote]darsemnos wrote:

[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]strongmanvinny wrote:

Tl;dr: no faith in humanity cause ignorant Christians.[/quote]

There’s your problem right there – you’re looking to place your faith in humanity. Big mistake.

Your faith belongs elsewhere.[/quote]

Faith belongs nowhere. In the words of Mark Twain, “faith is believing what you know ain’t so.”

I have no need of faith if faith is based on belief. I don’t believe anything. I either think a thing is true, or I think a thing is not true, or I don’t know. Believing is not a meaningful option for me.[/quote]

This makes no sense.

[/quote]

One can make an assertion or an argument. You have chosen the former.

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[quote]pushharder wrote:
A person’s intellectual capability should have to be this tall:
[/quote]

What you really mean to say is that everyone should agree with you and believe like you do otherwise they are obviously stupid. You don’t want a discussion or an argument, you want to insult everyone who doesn’t think like you do.

james

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[quote]smh_23 wrote:

[quote]on edge wrote:

[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]on edge wrote:

[quote]bdocksaints75 wrote:
Of all the things that I can’t understand about atheist’s or what have you. Is the fact that they seem to spend most of their time trying to bash religion, or disprove God.[/quote]

Atheist don’t need to disprove god. It’s up to religious types to prove the existence of god…

[/quote]

Nonsense.

It takes a fair amount of hubris to make this demand. Unmerited hubris.

Atheists have faith. In spades, they have faith.

In fact, it takes far more faith to look at this universe and say, “Nope! Ain’t no God out there, I’m purty darn sure of it.”
[/quote]

Push, you’re just saying words, there’s nothing behind them.

And my statement is not nonsense. If you and I are out taking a stroll through the woods and we come upon an old cabin and you turn to me and say “you know Edge, I do believe there’s a beach ball in this here cabin, as matter of fact I’m sure of it.”

I look sideways at you and say “you’re kidding, right?”

You say “No, I’m sure of it, there’s a beach ball in this cabin”.

I’m going to say prove it and it’s up to you to do so.

In short; you can’t just make shit up and expect people to believe you without proving it.[/quote]

Yep.

The burden of proof is on the one who says that the sun froze in the sky and a man rose from the dead after three days and a serpent tempted the first woman (who’d been from a rib) to eat an apple (and this is why our mothers had such a hell of a time giving birth to us) and the first ever man was made from dust and water was walked on and also turned to wine, not on the person who finds no good reason to believe any of it.

That said, Push is right about atheism (as certainty of godlessness): it requires a great deal of faith, possibly more than theism*

Theism generally, not any specific religion.[/quote]

BS. Atheism requires no faith whatsoever. What idea must I accept on insufficient evidence in order to be an atheist?

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[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]xXSeraphimXx wrote:

[quote]darsemnos wrote:

[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]strongmanvinny wrote:

Tl;dr: no faith in humanity cause ignorant Christians.[/quote]

There’s your problem right there – you’re looking to place your faith in humanity. Big mistake.

Your faith belongs elsewhere.[/quote]

Faith belongs nowhere. In the words of Mark Twain, “faith is believing what you know ain’t so.”

I have no need of faith if faith is based on belief. I don’t believe anything. I either think a thing is true, or I think a thing is not true, or I don’t know. Believing is not a meaningful option for me.[/quote]

This makes no sense.

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LOL. You wrassle with him for awhile.

“I have no need of faith if faith is based on belief i[/i]. I don’t believe i[/i] anything. I either think i[/i] a thing is true, or I think i[/i] a thing is not true, or I don’t know. Believing i is not a meaningful option for me.”

Okey dokey, pardner.[/quote]
Leave it to a religionist to intentionally mischaracterize another’s words. Intellectual honesty should mean something.

I clearly think thinking something to be true and believing something to be true are meaningfully different, but you can’t recognize that obvious fact and instead choose to insult. Typical.

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[quote]atypical1 wrote:

[quote]pushharder wrote:
A person’s intellectual capability should have to be this tall:
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What you really mean to say is that everyone should agree with you and believe like you do otherwise they are obviously stupid. You don’t want a discussion or an argument, you want to insult everyone who doesn’t think like you do.

james
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Why do you think I have him on ignore? Consistent trolling. Save your breath, he doesn’t get any better ever. Just hops around from thread to thread trolling and insulting people. Took me way too long to figure out he wasn’t worth the time. Save yourself the breath, he isn’t going to mature or change no matter how many people on this forum call him out on it.

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[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]darsemnos wrote:

[quote]H factor wrote:

[quote]darsemnos wrote:

[quote]conservativedog wrote:
the above phrases circled in red are what i will address.

firstly atheism doesn’t need to knock on your door it’s already inside. hey there’s an old saying “for where your treasure is, there will your heart be also.”

no need to knock because we imagine whatever material or earthly things you seek you spend the day dwelling on how to get more. H-factless is probably a pretty good guy (i think his writings reveal a dullard, but that’s me. he may be awesome in person becaue everyone has their niche) so let’s hope he isn’t dwelling on evil towards others or that he dwells on something that will hurt him mentally or physically.

his material earthly things that “he” dwells on has become “his” treasure his idol-his atheist god. no matter how great he thinks he is, it’s probably not going to continue to uplift and sustain him as he ages.

most young people believe that they will live a long time and things will basically be good for them. friends pass by, relatives too and you won’t always have it good. jobs fail, health, both mental and physical will fail.

it is the reason many atheists turn inward at these points, to please the self interests, the self love because what else is there to sustain you when suffering the world anguish?

you have TV, PORN, ALCOHOL, DRUGS,etc… and bad relationships where others only want something from you, not to uplift or carry you. one day you may wish someone would knock on your door. but the atheist almost always proceeds inward.

there is something else you may not know or believe. the heart or soul will harden the longer you go in this direction. it is as if a veil covers the things you should do to help yourself.

**************** second part circled in red above *********************

“when it acts like all the other religions”

there are many denominations that are close in what they believe, but there are those that atheists throw in with all the rest.

Islam has in their beginning the very same Abraham from the Bible in their koran/quran. if you think Christianity has problems in proving it’s validity you haven’t a clue about how many rabbit trails Islam goes off on.

hinduism maintains the existence of a pantheon of gods. usually if you try to nail it down most hindus i have spoken with believe it boils down to a single god. in their afterlife of reincarnation you could return as a human, animal or spirit and it would depend on your moral quality of the previous life.

why am i going through this? it is to show there are great differences in the many beliefs. however the Bible states God is not the author of confusion.

no other religious leader claimed to be God and fully man in the flesh other than Jesus. there are very reliable testimonies of witnesses from various individual books, written by different men. there is also secular history outside of the Bible books which verifies a real man called Jesus.

a man that was put through a horribly painful execution in full view of professional roman executioners and then had his tomb guarded. the whole of the Old Testament points towards a messiah and in it are prophecies. under no mathematical coincidences could these have fallen into place the way they did for this man named Jesus.

other religions have prophecies but none are accurate as is the Bible and when historically examined their writings fall to pieces. i have written many times here that the Bible is known as the anvil that has worn out ALL hammers.

buddha never said he would rise from the dead. muhammad did not say he would rise from the dead. confucius never said he would rise from the dead. krishna did not rise from the dead. and neither did santa claus…

Jesus said He would rise and His solitary life, like mcdonalds has touched billions.

P.S.

i know there are critical writing issues. correct me if you have time

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So had Mohammed’s. Meaningless.
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What’s weird is the attempt to “figure out” those of us who don’t believe. To make up all these things that believers must invent for how we can possibly breathe air and make it through the day not believing in God. And it’s not even a lack of belief in God because many of these people have a strong disdain for religions that aren’t the same as their own. It’s not like if I was a Muslim I would be thought of as anything better by some of the people on here. They would invent their own reasons and horrific things to say about those belief systems as well.

A lot of these people seem to be simply upset that someone has come to a different conclusion to them on something. It either angers them or certainly gets their brain going. The massive judgments and attempts to figure out what different people are lacking because they don’t feel the same way as someone else. It’s highly strange. It seems as if a real anger exists from some believers on here that people don’t feel like them. They sure make a lot of threads about it. They sure get worked up about the subject. It seems as if anyone coming to a conclusion different from them (Muslim, Hindu, agnostic) is not ok.

Honestly the judgments alone are just bizarre. People who know nothing about me trying to say I dwell on material earthly things? Trying to invent all these thoughts and ideas that non believers must have? Searching, inventing, putting all these things on people they know nothing about simply because they have come to a different conclusion? It’s bizarre. [/quote]

It’s because deep down we just want to sin and not be held accountable. Because, you know, you have so much fun torturing animals, raping, stealing, murdering, eating babies, that you don’t care about being roasted over a fire pit forever. Because that’s a good trade off. And we simply are so full of hatred towards the creator of the universe that we’re above begging him not to torture us.

Because deep down we know god is real…

Right.

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Speaking of torture you’re giving off vibes of having a tortured soul.

You might wanna work on that.[/quote]

So attempting to demean another person’s psychological state, is that moral in your worldview?

I am “troubled,” about certain things, but probably nothing you’d guess, and probably no more than you. We’re all f-ed up in way. But I’m man enough to admit it.