Well I found this enlightening…
Is this the real atheism? Has it shown it’s true face?
“Mock them, ridicule them, in public”
“… need to be ridiculed with contempt”
How many atheists believe Richard Dawkins? We should be mocked and ridiculed for our beliefs? This isn’t non-belief, this is raw, pure hatred. I want to hear from atheists, do you practice what is preached?
[quote]pat wrote:
Well I found this enlightening…
Is this the real atheism? Has it shown it’s true face?
“Mock them, ridicule them, in public”
“… need to be ridiculed with contempt”
How many atheists believe Richard Dawkins? We should be mocked and ridiculed for our beliefs? This isn’t non-belief, this is raw, pure hatred. I want to hear from atheists, do you practice what is preached?[/quote]
No an atheist, but pointing at this extreme is no difference the pointing at the religious extremists who do the same thing to atheists, gays, and anyone who doesn’t believe like they do.
It’s simply a bell curve. And those extreme ends get the attention.
I think you know better than to think that is representative of all atheists.
So with Fred Phelps dead who will take over as the new Christian? For now I’m going with crazy guy holding the sign at the large public area near where I work.
New? This has been going on for at least 2000 years. There’s nothing new about this except the internet and cable tv allow greater audiences to be reached with the mockery.
Of all the things that I can’t understand about atheist’s or what have you. Is the fact that they seem to spend most of their time trying to bash religion, or disprove God.
I’m an atheist been that way since high school, possible before, I went to Catholic school for twelve years and I find even today the ones who mock and ridicule are the religious ones. I’m a live and let live type of guy you want to pray I’m not going to say anything I just want the same. Also Dawkins is a douchebag I’m more a Penn julette follower
[quote]sufiandy wrote:
So with Fred Phelps dead who will take over as the new Christian? For now I’m going with crazy guy holding the sign at the large public area near where I work.[/quote]
So you liken Richard Dawkins to Fred Phelps?
[quote]ZJStrope wrote:
[quote]pat wrote:
Well I found this enlightening…
Is this the real atheism? Has it shown it’s true face?
“Mock them, ridicule them, in public”
“… need to be ridiculed with contempt”
How many atheists believe Richard Dawkins? We should be mocked and ridiculed for our beliefs? This isn’t non-belief, this is raw, pure hatred. I want to hear from atheists, do you practice what is preached?[/quote]
No an atheist, but pointing at this extreme is no difference the pointing at the religious extremists who do the same thing to atheists, gays, and anyone who doesn’t believe like they do.
It’s simply a bell curve. And those extreme ends get the attention.
I think you know better than to think that is representative of all atheists.[/quote]
Is Dawkins not a prominent leader of the Atheist community? Or is he just the lunatic fringe? He seems pretty mainstream to me.
On a side note, Ravi Zacharias has some good books. I haven’t read any of them since high school but they definitely get you thinking.
[quote]bdocksaints75 wrote:
Of all the things that I can’t understand about atheist’s or what have you. Is the fact that they seem to spend most of their time trying to bash religion, or disprove God.[/quote]
Atheist don’t need to disprove god. It’s up to religious types to prove the existence of god, which they haven’t done to this point. Atheists just challenge the logic of religions. Ultimately the only reason people really have to believe in god is faith. Faith is pretty flimsy.
[quote]pat wrote:
Well I found this enlightening…
Is this the real atheism? Has it shown it’s true face?
“Mock them, ridicule them, in public”
“… need to be ridiculed with contempt”
How many atheists believe Richard Dawkins? We should be mocked and ridiculed for our beliefs? This isn’t non-belief, this is raw, pure hatred. I want to hear from atheists, do you practice what is preached?[/quote]
I’m not a fan of what RD was saying in that video but I suspect if we had the full context it wouldn’t sound nearly so bad. RD was probably saying it more in a scientific argument context rather than a social context. If you’re in a social setting you would be a complete jackass to ridicule someone’s religious beliefs.
In a debate it’s reasonable to challenge some of the absurdities of religions. I don’t think it should be done in a ridiculing way but sometimes people will feel ridiculed anyway due to the inherent ridiculousness.
I would be more inclined to challenge the bigger issues with religions than some of the micro-issues like the one RD mentioned about communion. That’s like picking pennies up off the ground.
[quote]on edge wrote:
[quote]bdocksaints75 wrote:
Of all the things that I can’t understand about atheist’s or what have you. Is the fact that they seem to spend most of their time trying to bash religion, or disprove God.[/quote]
Atheist don’t need to disprove god. It’s up to religious types to prove the existence of god, which they haven’t done to this point. Atheists just challenge the logic of religions. Ultimately the only reason people really have to believe in god is faith. Faith is pretty flimsy.[/quote]
Why do “religious types” have something to prove? Is it like the game Risk and everyone has to take the whole world? I’m perfectly fine with atheists rejecting my beliefs if so they choose.
[quote]pat wrote:
[quote]ZJStrope wrote:
[quote]pat wrote:
Well I found this enlightening…
Is this the real atheism? Has it shown it’s true face?
“Mock them, ridicule them, in public”
“… need to be ridiculed with contempt”
How many atheists believe Richard Dawkins? We should be mocked and ridiculed for our beliefs? This isn’t non-belief, this is raw, pure hatred. I want to hear from atheists, do you practice what is preached?[/quote]
No an atheist, but pointing at this extreme is no difference the pointing at the religious extremists who do the same thing to atheists, gays, and anyone who doesn’t believe like they do.
It’s simply a bell curve. And those extreme ends get the attention.
I think you know better than to think that is representative of all atheists.[/quote]
Is Dawkins not a prominent leader of the Atheist community? Or is he just the lunatic fringe? He seems pretty mainstream to me.[/quote]
I didn’t know atheists had communities with leaders and all that. I wonder if religious types might have a perception that all people must belong to groups and they have a hard time understanding not belonging to a group. I think atheists are the types who, in addition to not believing in god, choose not to be a part of a group.
[quote]drewc64 wrote:
[quote]on edge wrote:
[quote]bdocksaints75 wrote:
Of all the things that I can’t understand about atheist’s or what have you. Is the fact that they seem to spend most of their time trying to bash religion, or disprove God.[/quote]
Atheist don’t need to disprove god. It’s up to religious types to prove the existence of god, which they haven’t done to this point. Atheists just challenge the logic of religions. Ultimately the only reason people really have to believe in god is faith. Faith is pretty flimsy.[/quote]
Why do “religious types” have something to prove? Is it like the game Risk and everyone has to take the whole world? I’m perfectly fine with atheists rejecting my beliefs if so they choose.
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I didn’t mean it like you ‘have something to prove’, I mean the onus of proof is on you. I am actually very like minded with you. I’m perfectly fine with the religious rejecting my non-belief if they so choose. I’m all for live and let live.
[quote]pat wrote:
[quote]sufiandy wrote:
So with Fred Phelps dead who will take over as the new Christian? For now I’m going with crazy guy holding the sign at the large public area near where I work.[/quote]
So you liken Richard Dawkins to Fred Phelps?[/quote]
I don’t know about comparisons but he was the first that came to mind. If you had to pick someone to represent Christians in America he is a decent choice you think?
[quote]pushharder wrote:
The fool says in his heart, “There is no God.”[/quote]
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[quote]kevinm1 wrote:
I’m an atheist been that way since high school, possible before, I went to Catholic school for twelve years and I find even today the ones who mock and ridicule are the religious ones. I’m a live and let live type of guy you want to pray I’m not going to say anything I just want the same. Also Dawkins is a douchebag I’m more a Penn julette follower[/quote]
good post.
saw Penn & Teller in person back when they were still doing small theatre off broadway nightly in New York. he’s good friends with an old friend of mine.
Penn is a good guy. their old stuff was the best.
[quote]pushharder wrote:
Atheists have faith. In spades, they have faith.
In fact, it takes far more faith to look at this universe and say, “Nope! Ain’t no God out there, I’m purty darn sure of it.”
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It takes no faith to say “There may well be a God out there, but I’m not going to choose one of the thousands of deities this Earth has supposedly been blessed by without having any serious evidence provided to me”. Granted, that’s an agnostic view, but that’s the view a lot of atheists take.
And if you take the idea that atheism is not the belief that God doesn’t exist, but rather the lack of belief that God exists, then again, no faith is required in that belief, because it doesn’t exist.
I agree with you that yes, to deny any possibility of anything happening ever requires faith, because proving any point beyond a doubt is pretty damn difficult, if not impossible (aware of the irony in this sentence). But a lot of points of view are a) much more well backed up, and b) much more relevant.
Still, everyone’s free to believe what they want, and despite the fact that I agree with a lot of what he says, in some ways Dawkins comes across as an ass. You can say the same for a lot of the people he debates though.