The New Atheist - Mock and Ridicule Believers

[conservativedog]

the above phrases circled in red are what i will address.

firstly atheism doesn’t need to knock on your door it’s already inside. hey there’s an old saying “for where your treasure is, there will your heart be also.”

no need to knock because we imagine whatever material or earthly things you seek you spend the day dwelling on how to get more. H-factless is probably a pretty good guy (i think his writings reveal a dullard, but that’s me. he may be awesome in person becaue everyone has their niche) so let’s hope he isn’t dwelling on evil towards others or that he dwells on something that will hurt him mentally or physically.

his material earthly things that “he” dwells on has become “his” treasure his idol-his atheist god. no matter how great he thinks he is, it’s probably not going to continue to uplift and sustain him as he ages.

most young people believe that they will live a long time and things will basically be good for them. friends pass by, relatives too and you won’t always have it good. jobs fail, health, both mental and physical will fail.

it is the reason many atheists turn inward at these points, to please the self interests, the self love because what else is there to sustain you when suffering the world anguish?

you have TV, PORN, ALCOHOL, DRUGS,etc… and bad relationships where others only want something from you, not to uplift or carry you. one day you may wish someone would knock on your door. but the atheist almost always proceeds inward.

there is something else you may not know or believe. the heart or soul will harden the longer you go in this direction. it is as if a veil covers the things you should do to help yourself.

**************** second part circled in red above *********************

“when it acts like all the other religions”

there are many denominations that are close in what they believe, but there are those that atheists throw in with all the rest.

Islam has in their beginning the very same Abraham from the Bible in their koran/quran. if you think Christianity has problems in proving it’s validity you haven’t a clue about how many rabbit trails Islam goes off on.

hinduism maintains the existence of a pantheon of gods. usually if you try to nail it down most hindus i have spoken with believe it boils down to a single god. in their afterlife of reincarnation you could return as a human, animal or spirit and it would depend on your moral quality of the previous life.

why am i going through this? it is to show there are great differences in the many beliefs. however the Bible states God is not the author of confusion.

no other religious leader claimed to be God and fully man in the flesh other than Jesus. there are very reliable testimonies of witnesses from various individual books, written by different men. there is also secular history outside of the Bible books which verifies a real man called Jesus.

a man that was put through a horribly painful execution in full view of professional roman executioners and then had his tomb guarded. the whole of the Old Testament points towards a messiah and in it are prophecies. under no mathematical coincidences could these have fallen into place the way they did for this man named Jesus.

other religions have prophecies but none are accurate as is the Bible and when historically examined their writings fall to pieces. i have written many times here that the Bible is known as the anvil that has worn out ALL hammers.

buddha never said he would rise from the dead. muhammad did not say he would rise from the dead. confucius never said he would rise from the dead. krishna did not rise from the dead. and neither did santa claus…

Jesus said He would rise and His solitary life, like mcdonalds has touched billions.

P.S.

i know there are critical writing issues. correct me if you have time

[AceRock]

[quote]pat wrote:

[quote]smh_23 wrote:

[quote]pat wrote:

[quote]smh_23 wrote:

[quote]pat wrote:

[quote]smh_23 wrote:

[quote]countingbeans wrote:

If there is God, it doesn’t matter if you or I reject the notion or call it by a different name than I do. [/quote]

Thing is, if this God that exists is the God that’s believed in around here, these things most definitely matter to Him, and, by extension, to all of us.

Ecumenism is probably impossible within Christianity and certainly impossible between Christianity and the rest.
[/quote]
Not true.

[/quote]

Oh, I think it is.

The loosest interpretations of each religion might find some way to fit with each other.

But as someone becomes devout, their devotion becomes sui generis.

If Push is right, then Muhammad Ali was wrong. If Gandhi was right, then Jewbacca is wrong. If I am right, they’re all wrong.

It is fantasy, to think that you can find a tree and ask, “how did this get here?” and hear two entirely different and conflicting accounts of the tree’s planting and decide that they are both correct.[/quote]

Well if we’re are hashing out theology, then sure we each will defend that which we relate to the most. But that is an academic, argumentative affect. It’s not a real world, “I am better than you” modality.
Yes, I know you can put forth examples where that occurs, but in many cases it also does not occur.

If a Muslim or a Jew or a Hindu or a Christian has a flat tire, I am willing to help them all equally.

I have been to a mosque with a Muslim friend I had a few years ago and did Friday prayers with him. I have spoke with a Hindu coworker about religion and faith extensively. I have had Jewish friends and talked and exchanged ideas about religion. It was all friendly, it was non-condemning it was seeking for understanding. In doing all that, I understand my own faith better as a result.
So yes, there is ecumenism between the faiths. People of goodwill exchanging ideas in a friendly manner. Listening to one another in their expressions of faith. It happens on a personal level. Sometimes it happens in a larger expression too.
Popes have been to a mosque before, for the purpose of having a relationship, not to change anyone. Pope John Paul II was best friends with a Jewish Rabbi.
What I found from my experience is that, at our core, though our theologies are different, our love of God was the same. I didn’t condemn them, nor did they condemn me.
We were able to get alone, share some common things about faith and put differences aside.

It’s not only possible, it’s happened and happens. It happens at the human level. When all the screaming and shouting over each other is through, what we have left are people. People with a longing to be closer to God. It’s not a judgement on who’s right and who’s wrong. It’s not a shouting match or ‘My God can beat up your God.’

You certainly have some very negative impressions on religion and religious. I honestly don’t know what I could do to change that impression. I shared my experience, but I am sure that won’t be enough.
Are you willing to look at cases of ecumensim? See where people actually do get along despite the difference in belief? Where religious difference is not the impetus of war and evil?
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You have misunderstood me. First, I really don’t have negative impressions of religion and the religious. As I just mentioned in another thread, one of my major sources of income has to do with research of Medieval Christian art and architecture. I have been to, and enjoyed to the fullest, most of the “great” churches on the planet.

More importantly, my thoughts did not have anything to do with fellowship or peaceful coexistence. I was not saying that all religions must always be in conflict, or are always in conflict. In fact, most Christians I know–who, admittedly, are city-dwelling academic types–are interfaithists.

I was talking about philosophical incompatibility. You and I offer a fine example. Despite the fact that we argue passionately sometimes, we respect each other, and I consider you a friend to the fullest extent that the word can apply to someone conversed with behind a veil of anonymity. I genuinely like you.

That said, our philosophies are incompatible. If I am right, you are wrong. If you are wrong, I am right. Excepting the loosest figurativists, the adherents of the world’s great religions are in exactly this same boat (vis-a-vis each other).[/quote]

Well yes, theologies of the varying religions would be right or wrong depending on what the actual truth is, or they can be all wrong, but they cannot all be right.
Now what it would take is to categorize what is similar between them and eliminate those and then take the differences and be able to test them in some way.
For instance, most religions share a belief that God exists, there is good and evil, we can interact with God through prayer.

Then there are differences, Jesus vs. Mohamed vs. Vishnu vs. Buddha and all the theologies that follow.

I would certainly agree they cannot all be right, per se. But I don’t think that speaks to the spiritual state of a person. It most certainly does not speak to the salvation of who ever. Yes, there are those who disagree with me on this. But I think it a dangerous thing to ‘play God’ and say one is destined for hell, why they themselves are destined for heaven. We don’t know. It’s best not to pretend we do know because we’ve read the Bible or Koran or what ever holy book and that book says if we don’t believe X we are doomed.

I don’t believe we have to be ‘right’ about what we believe, at least not academically. I believe the answer lies in love and we if love to the best of our ability then who can condemn us? Only fools says I.[/quote]

Just so we’re clear, Buddha was raised as a Brahman, but his teachings have absolutely nothing to do with a belief in a God/Creator. His teachings also specifically and deliberately argue against good/bad dualism, stating it as one of the main roadblocks to wisdom. And finally, there is nothing and no one to pray to, other than yourself. Buddha doesn’t invite prayers to himself.

“Seek not to understand what I taught, seek that which I sought.”

“Everything, even my teachings, must be let go at the end.”

[H_factor]

I already got my taxes done beans.

Though if God created man and man created taxes how is this Satan’s fault lol?

My fiance’s are getting done this weekend though yuck

[pat]

[quote]AceRock wrote:

[quote]pat wrote:

[quote]smh_23 wrote:

[quote]pat wrote:

[quote]smh_23 wrote:

[quote]pat wrote:

[quote]smh_23 wrote:

[quote]countingbeans wrote:

If there is God, it doesn’t matter if you or I reject the notion or call it by a different name than I do. [/quote]

Thing is, if this God that exists is the God that’s believed in around here, these things most definitely matter to Him, and, by extension, to all of us.

Ecumenism is probably impossible within Christianity and certainly impossible between Christianity and the rest.
[/quote]
Not true.

[/quote]

Oh, I think it is.

The loosest interpretations of each religion might find some way to fit with each other.

But as someone becomes devout, their devotion becomes sui generis.

If Push is right, then Muhammad Ali was wrong. If Gandhi was right, then Jewbacca is wrong. If I am right, they’re all wrong.

It is fantasy, to think that you can find a tree and ask, “how did this get here?” and hear two entirely different and conflicting accounts of the tree’s planting and decide that they are both correct.[/quote]

Well if we’re are hashing out theology, then sure we each will defend that which we relate to the most. But that is an academic, argumentative affect. It’s not a real world, “I am better than you” modality.
Yes, I know you can put forth examples where that occurs, but in many cases it also does not occur.

If a Muslim or a Jew or a Hindu or a Christian has a flat tire, I am willing to help them all equally.

I have been to a mosque with a Muslim friend I had a few years ago and did Friday prayers with him. I have spoke with a Hindu coworker about religion and faith extensively. I have had Jewish friends and talked and exchanged ideas about religion. It was all friendly, it was non-condemning it was seeking for understanding. In doing all that, I understand my own faith better as a result.
So yes, there is ecumenism between the faiths. People of goodwill exchanging ideas in a friendly manner. Listening to one another in their expressions of faith. It happens on a personal level. Sometimes it happens in a larger expression too.
Popes have been to a mosque before, for the purpose of having a relationship, not to change anyone. Pope John Paul II was best friends with a Jewish Rabbi.
What I found from my experience is that, at our core, though our theologies are different, our love of God was the same. I didn’t condemn them, nor did they condemn me.
We were able to get alone, share some common things about faith and put differences aside.

It’s not only possible, it’s happened and happens. It happens at the human level. When all the screaming and shouting over each other is through, what we have left are people. People with a longing to be closer to God. It’s not a judgement on who’s right and who’s wrong. It’s not a shouting match or ‘My God can beat up your God.’

You certainly have some very negative impressions on religion and religious. I honestly don’t know what I could do to change that impression. I shared my experience, but I am sure that won’t be enough.
Are you willing to look at cases of ecumensim? See where people actually do get along despite the difference in belief? Where religious difference is not the impetus of war and evil?
[/quote]

You have misunderstood me. First, I really don’t have negative impressions of religion and the religious. As I just mentioned in another thread, one of my major sources of income has to do with research of Medieval Christian art and architecture. I have been to, and enjoyed to the fullest, most of the “great” churches on the planet.

More importantly, my thoughts did not have anything to do with fellowship or peaceful coexistence. I was not saying that all religions must always be in conflict, or are always in conflict. In fact, most Christians I know–who, admittedly, are city-dwelling academic types–are interfaithists.

I was talking about philosophical incompatibility. You and I offer a fine example. Despite the fact that we argue passionately sometimes, we respect each other, and I consider you a friend to the fullest extent that the word can apply to someone conversed with behind a veil of anonymity. I genuinely like you.

That said, our philosophies are incompatible. If I am right, you are wrong. If you are wrong, I am right. Excepting the loosest figurativists, the adherents of the world’s great religions are in exactly this same boat (vis-a-vis each other).[/quote]

Well yes, theologies of the varying religions would be right or wrong depending on what the actual truth is, or they can be all wrong, but they cannot all be right.
Now what it would take is to categorize what is similar between them and eliminate those and then take the differences and be able to test them in some way.
For instance, most religions share a belief that God exists, there is good and evil, we can interact with God through prayer.

Then there are differences, Jesus vs. Mohamed vs. Vishnu vs. Buddha and all the theologies that follow.

I would certainly agree they cannot all be right, per se. But I don’t think that speaks to the spiritual state of a person. It most certainly does not speak to the salvation of who ever. Yes, there are those who disagree with me on this. But I think it a dangerous thing to ‘play God’ and say one is destined for hell, why they themselves are destined for heaven. We don’t know. It’s best not to pretend we do know because we’ve read the Bible or Koran or what ever holy book and that book says if we don’t believe X we are doomed.

I don’t believe we have to be ‘right’ about what we believe, at least not academically. I believe the answer lies in love and we if love to the best of our ability then who can condemn us? Only fools says I.[/quote]

Just so we’re clear, Buddha was raised as a Brahman, but his teachings have absolutely nothing to do with a belief in a God/Creator. His teachings also specifically and deliberately argue against good/bad dualism, stating it as one of the main roadblocks to wisdom. And finally, there is nothing and no one to pray to, other than yourself. Buddha doesn’t invite prayers to himself.

“Seek not to understand what I taught, seek that which I sought.”

“Everything, even my teachings, must be let go at the end.”[/quote]

I was merely indicating belief systems, not objects of worship per se.

[pat]

[quote]smh_23 wrote:

In a very essential sense, we all worship ourselves.

God wants love, love is given; the self wants food, food is gotten.

But this is less “worship” and more simple “being.”[/quote]

I don’t worship myself in any sense. I care for myself and my well being, but I don’t honor me.

[smh_23]

[quote]pat wrote:

[quote]smh_23 wrote:

In a very essential sense, we all worship ourselves.

God wants love, love is given; the self wants food, food is gotten.

But this is less “worship” and more simple “being.”[/quote]

I don’t worship myself in any sense. I care for myself and my well being, but I don’t honor me.[/quote]

I was referring to the loose definition of worship that Push was offering.

I give my self everything that it needs, and much of what it wants. I respect it, am glad that it is what it is, and have grand intentions for it. If this is worship, then self-worship is the rule and we are all guilty of it. That is the point that is being made.

[pat]

[quote]smh_23 wrote:

[quote]pat wrote:

[quote]smh_23 wrote:

In a very essential sense, we all worship ourselves.

God wants love, love is given; the self wants food, food is gotten.

But this is less “worship” and more simple “being.”[/quote]

I don’t worship myself in any sense. I care for myself and my well being, but I don’t honor me.[/quote]

I was referring to the loose definition of worship that Push was offering.

I give my self everything that it needs, and much of what it wants. I respect it, am glad that it is what it is, and have grand intentions for it. If this is worship, then self-worship is the rule and we are all guilty of it. That is the point that is being made.[/quote]

Well for the record, I do not believe atheism is a religion. I think some people take it too far and sometime treat it like one, but I don’t believe it is one.

[espenl]

[quote]pat wrote:
Well for the record, I do not believe atheism is a religion. I think some people take it too far and sometime treat it like one, but I don’t believe it is one.[/quote]
I agree. Then again, there are always people taking something too far.

[darsemnos]

[quote]pat wrote:

- YouTube

Well I found this enlightening…
Is this the real atheism? Has it shown it’s true face?

“Mock them, ridicule them, in public”

“… need to be ridiculed with contempt”

How many atheists believe Richard Dawkins? We should be mocked and ridiculed for our beliefs? This isn’t non-belief, this is raw, pure hatred. I want to hear from atheists, do you practice what is preached?[/quote]

Clarity is offensive.

If atheists communicate clearly, it will be offesive, because religion is almost always ridiculous, and often evil.

[darsemnos]

[quote]conservativedog wrote:
the above phrases circled in red are what i will address.

firstly atheism doesn’t need to knock on your door it’s already inside. hey there’s an old saying “for where your treasure is, there will your heart be also.”

no need to knock because we imagine whatever material or earthly things you seek you spend the day dwelling on how to get more. H-factless is probably a pretty good guy (i think his writings reveal a dullard, but that’s me. he may be awesome in person becaue everyone has their niche) so let’s hope he isn’t dwelling on evil towards others or that he dwells on something that will hurt him mentally or physically.

his material earthly things that “he” dwells on has become “his” treasure his idol-his atheist god. no matter how great he thinks he is, it’s probably not going to continue to uplift and sustain him as he ages.

most young people believe that they will live a long time and things will basically be good for them. friends pass by, relatives too and you won’t always have it good. jobs fail, health, both mental and physical will fail.

it is the reason many atheists turn inward at these points, to please the self interests, the self love because what else is there to sustain you when suffering the world anguish?

you have TV, PORN, ALCOHOL, DRUGS,etc… and bad relationships where others only want something from you, not to uplift or carry you. one day you may wish someone would knock on your door. but the atheist almost always proceeds inward.

there is something else you may not know or believe. the heart or soul will harden the longer you go in this direction. it is as if a veil covers the things you should do to help yourself.

**************** second part circled in red above *********************

“when it acts like all the other religions”

there are many denominations that are close in what they believe, but there are those that atheists throw in with all the rest.

Islam has in their beginning the very same Abraham from the Bible in their koran/quran. if you think Christianity has problems in proving it’s validity you haven’t a clue about how many rabbit trails Islam goes off on.

hinduism maintains the existence of a pantheon of gods. usually if you try to nail it down most hindus i have spoken with believe it boils down to a single god. in their afterlife of reincarnation you could return as a human, animal or spirit and it would depend on your moral quality of the previous life.

why am i going through this? it is to show there are great differences in the many beliefs. however the Bible states God is not the author of confusion.

no other religious leader claimed to be God and fully man in the flesh other than Jesus. there are very reliable testimonies of witnesses from various individual books, written by different men. there is also secular history outside of the Bible books which verifies a real man called Jesus.

a man that was put through a horribly painful execution in full view of professional roman executioners and then had his tomb guarded. the whole of the Old Testament points towards a messiah and in it are prophecies. under no mathematical coincidences could these have fallen into place the way they did for this man named Jesus.

other religions have prophecies but none are accurate as is the Bible and when historically examined their writings fall to pieces. i have written many times here that the Bible is known as the anvil that has worn out ALL hammers.

buddha never said he would rise from the dead. muhammad did not say he would rise from the dead. confucius never said he would rise from the dead. krishna did not rise from the dead. and neither did santa claus…

Jesus said He would rise and His solitary life, like mcdonalds has touched billions.

P.S.

i know there are critical writing issues. correct me if you have time

[/quote]

So had Mohammed’s. Meaningless.

[pat]

[quote]darsemnos wrote:
Clarity is offensive.

If atheists communicate clearly, it will be offesive, because religion is almost always ridiculous, and often evil.
[/quote]
Insults and mocking are certainly clear. It doesn’t mean anything, it has no basis in fact or point. It’s sad, small and petty, really. If you have to resort to insults and mocking, it just means you have no point and pretty much concede you lost the argument. If you have to resort to it, who’s being ridiculous and evil, really?
What’s Dawkins really saying here? If you come across a religious person, act like your a 12 year old bully repeating 6th grade? That’s fabulous advice, glad you’re taking it to heart.

[darsemnos]

[quote]pat wrote:

[quote]darsemnos wrote:
Clarity is offensive.

If atheists communicate clearly, it will be offesive, because religion is almost always ridiculous, and often evil.
[/quote]
Insults and mocking are certainly clear. It doesn’t mean anything, it has no basis in fact or point. It’s sad, small and petty, really. If you have to resort to insults and mocking, it just means you have no point and pretty much concede you lost the argument. If you have to resort to it, who’s being ridiculous and evil, really?
What’s Dawkins really saying here? If you come across a religious person, act like your a 12 year old bully repeating 6th grade? That’s fabulous advice, glad you’re taking it to heart.[/quote]

No, it means point out the truth clearly. Evolution is a fact. The Big Bang happened. The earth is not less than 10,000 years old. It’s at least 400,000 times older. We DO have common ancestry with other apes.

Clarity is offensive because much in religion is silly. Take Christianity. God sacrifices himself (but not really,since Jesus is supposedly alive and well) to himself so he can protect us from his wrath that resulted from us being exactly as he made us to be. Well Adam sinned, but god still set him up to fail, on purpose, and everyone else is just born into a losing struggle such that they literally have to beg forgiveness for being born.

It’s psychologically unhealthy to feel guilty for being being born.

This is taught to children who are brainwashed to think they are literally evil and deserve to be tortured alive in fire forever. Love god or he will TORTURE YOU FOREVER. Literally. This is taught to CHILDREN. Do you think telling children they are evil and deserve to be torched forever is not psychologically harmful? It borders on abuse.

Not to mention the evil commandments in the Old Testament. Almost no one lives according to Old Testament because anyone acting the way god commanded the Israelites to would be on death row because our morality has progressed.

Slaughtering entire cities. Literal genocide. Well, sometimes the virgin women were allowed to live. Guess why. Would you thrust a sword through the belly of a child? God ordered men to do this according to the Bible. God commanded that women marry the man who raped her. God commanded people be put to death for imaginary crimes like witchcraft, and for homosexuality. He also commanded half of Israel to be subject to ritual genital mutilation. Lot is called a good man, even though when the men of Sodom come to his door to rape the angels he offers up his daughters to be raped. A man who offers up his daughters to literally be gang-raped is called a good man by GOD. God thinks gang-rape is ok apparently.

This is clarity.

Clarity is saying what everyone is thinking but for so long it was considered rude to state explicitly. Religion has had it far too easy for far too long.

[darsemnos]

[quote]darsemnos wrote:

[quote]pat wrote:

[quote]darsemnos wrote:
Clarity is offensive.

If atheists communicate clearly, it will be offesive, because religion is almost always ridiculous, and often evil.
[/quote]
Insults and mocking are certainly clear. It doesn’t mean anything, it has no basis in fact or point. It’s sad, small and petty, really. If you have to resort to insults and mocking, it just means you have no point and pretty much concede you lost the argument. If you have to resort to it, who’s being ridiculous and evil, really?
What’s Dawkins really saying here? If you come across a religious person, act like your a 12 year old bully repeating 6th grade? That’s fabulous advice, glad you’re taking it to heart.[/quote]

No, it means point out the truth clearly. Evolution is a fact. The Big Bang happened. The earth is not less than 10,000 years old. It’s at least 400,000 times older. We DO have common ancestry with other apes.

Clarity is offensive because much in religion is silly. Take Christianity. God sacrifices himself (but not really,since Jesus is supposedly alive and well) to himself so he can protect us from his wrath that resulted from us being exactly as he made us to be. Well Adam sinned, but god still set him up to fail, on purpose, and everyone else is just born into a losing struggle such that they literally have to beg forgiveness for being born.

It’s psychologically unhealthy to feel guilty for being being born.

This is taught to children who are brainwashed to think they are literally evil and deserve to be tortured alive in fire forever. Love god or he will TORTURE YOU FOREVER. Literally. This is taught to CHILDREN. Do you think telling children they are evil and deserve to be torched forever is not psychologically harmful? It borders on abuse.

Not to mention the evil commandments in the Old Testament. Almost no one lives according to Old Testament because anyone acting the way god commanded the Israelites to would be on death row because our morality has progressed.

Slaughtering entire cities. Literal genocide. Well, sometimes the virgin women were allowed to live. Guess why. Would you thrust a sword through the belly of a child? God ordered men to do this according to the Bible. God commanded that women marry the man who raped her. God commanded people be put to death for imaginary crimes like witchcraft, and for homosexuality. He also commanded half of Israel to be subject to ritual genital mutilation. Lot is called a good man, even though when the men of Sodom come to his door to rape the angels he offers up his daughters to be raped. A man who offers up his daughters to literally be gang-raped is called a good man by GOD. God thinks gang-rape is ok apparently.

This is clarity.

Clarity is saying what everyone is thinking but for so long it was considered rude to state explicitly. Religion has had it far too easy for far too long. [/quote]

Is any of this an insult? Do my remarks have substance? Is the substance inaccurate or accurate?

[orion]

[quote]pat wrote:

How many atheists believe Richard Dawkins? We should be mocked and ridiculed for our beliefs? This isn’t non-belief, this is raw, pure hatred. I want to hear from atheists, do you practice what is preached?[/quote]

You know, this anti-Christianity nonsense is vulgar.

And the belief that a lot of the human condition will just go away if we get rid of religion is stupid.

And that we have ditched millenia of wisdom because it rested on a premisse that at least to me is a bit questionable was probably not the wisest move either.

But, other than that, fuck religion, grrrrrr…

[darsemnos]

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]pat wrote:

How many atheists believe Richard Dawkins? We should be mocked and ridiculed for our beliefs? This isn’t non-belief, this is raw, pure hatred. I want to hear from atheists, do you practice what is preached?[/quote]

You know, this anti-Christianity nonsense is vulgar.

And the belief that a lot of the human condition will just go away if we get rid of religion is stupid.

And that we have ditched millenia of wisdom because it rested on a premisse that at least to me is a bit questionable was probably not the wisest move either.

But, other than that, fuck religion, grrrrrr…[/quote]

You guys are making a caricature of Dawkins.

[darsemnos]

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]pat wrote:

How many atheists believe Richard Dawkins? We should be mocked and ridiculed for our beliefs? This isn’t non-belief, this is raw, pure hatred. I want to hear from atheists, do you practice what is preached?[/quote]

You know, this anti-Christianity nonsense is vulgar.

And the belief that a lot of the human condition will just go away if we get rid of religion is stupid.

And that we have ditched millenia of wisdom because it rested on a premisse that at least to me is a bit questionable was probably not the wisest move either.

But, other than that, fuck religion, grrrrrr…[/quote]

The famous atheists I know, including Dawkins, don’t say religion is THE problem. Assuming ALL religions are false, they are still a product of human nature, so the problem is human nature. Atheist recognize this. The problem in human nature is credulity, extremism, tribalism, etc. Religion merely exploits these latent attributes.

[darsemnos]

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]pat wrote:

How many atheists believe Richard Dawkins? We should be mocked and ridiculed for our beliefs? This isn’t non-belief, this is raw, pure hatred. I want to hear from atheists, do you practice what is preached?[/quote]

You know, this anti-Christianity nonsense is vulgar.

And the belief that a lot of the human condition will just go away if we get rid of religion is stupid.

And that we have ditched millenia of wisdom because it rested on a premisse that at least to me is a bit questionable was probably not the wisest move either.

But, other than that, fuck religion, grrrrrr…[/quote]

What wisdom have we ditched?

[strongmanvinny]

I never really had a problem with what religion did to people until I moved to american south. I’m actually bemused at how convicted a vast majority of Christians are whilst retaining a serious sense of self-righteousness and prejudice. I know my topic isn’t on the process of belief, or the conflict between theism and non-theism, but it’s as good as any rant I suppose.

I work in construction, and my boss is actually a really skilled dude with some great values and morals, as is one of my coworkers who shares the same set of typical southern baptist christian beliefs. That said, I’m basically appalled and offended at how stupid people are. To recieve implicit respect from your workers and peers, yet, in the same minute sit in your truck and bash a gay man with a preoccupied kind of disdain, because he’s flamboyant as fuck is totally silly. With such ‘conviction’, he might as well NOT save face and just bash him in public. But they don’t, because they’re fucking pussies.

Tl;dr: no faith in humanity cause ignorant Christians.