The world needs doctors who are smart, ethical and moral.
The guy got off easy. I would have put him in a coma and broken a few ribs, possibly pummeled his nuts until they were the size of grapefruits. I’m a guy too and so I prefer to keep the nuts sacred in a fight, but in this circumstance I would probably aim for brain damage and the inability to ever get an erection again. I’m harsh, oh well. You pull a gun on me and if I can wrestle it away from you I’m going to blow off both your hand so you would never hold a gun again. Eye for an eye? At least he wouldn’t have tried to rape someone else that way. Scrub you did just fine, you are not crazy. You just need to drop that dumb ex and get back into the flow.
“The world needs doctors who are smart, ethical and moral.”
Lumpy, I assume that you’re implying that Scrub does not live up to this ideal? The only evidence you’ve supplied is in your previous post:
Lumpy: “After reading the previous thread from you about your “ex”, I have to say I think you are an idiot.”
He’s using an ex, albeit a psycho one, for sex. If he stays unattached, what’s the problem? Messing around with relative strangers at parties makes me think he has a chance of being unattached.
Lumpy: “You also have creepy friends, and your story about getting wasted and waking up with a strange chick is also juvenile at best.”
He was set up with a girl through a trusted source and ended up messing around with her. What’s juvenile about that? Or is inebriation now juvenile? If he’d gotten on the road in that state, then that would have been juvenile. And what makes you think that his friends are creepy?
Lumpy: “Then, beating the crap out of some guy in a fit of rage is also disturbing. You should have called the police, not lost your shit and attacked the guy. You say you’re actually training to be a doctor?”
Hmmm…retribution for being violated disturbs you? What should he have done, turned the other nut? As has been stated before, calling the police was no guarantee of retribution or preventing this schmuck from assaulting someone else again. So why was essentially doing nothing the “right” answer? And we also don’t know if his stupor contributed to his violent attack. He didn’t get drunk, then go looking for a fight. He was behind a locked door.
Also, how does this shit have to do with being a doctor? A doctor can never get in a fight? While I’m all for compassionate, caring doctors, I’m also for doctors that can help heal people. I’ve known a lot of smart pricks in my life. If they end up curing various forms of cancer or AIDS, should we not accept their findings because they are not ethical and moral?
While we may still call them assholes, they would be assholes that would save countless lives.
“Lumpy, I assume that you’re implying that Scrub does not live up to this ideal?”
That’s right.
“The only evidence you’ve supplied is in your previous post”
I am using the evidence he provided, himself, in this thread and his last soap opera thread about his ex.
He should probably not join a profession that is dedicated to helping other people, until he gets his own head screwed on tightly.
I wonder what he will do when a “fag” comes into his own ER? Will he be able to handle it? Will he be able to give the same treatment he would give to any other patient?
He certainly doesn’t seem to have a cool head on his shoulders, so how will he perform under pressure?
Maybe calling the police would solve the problem, maybe it wouldn’t, but legally it would have been the right thing to do. Not pouncing on the guy and pounding on the back of his head, which Scrub admitted was so extremely violent that it freaked out the other people who followed him into the room also seeking retribution. Even THOSE people were shocked at how far he took it, according to his story.
I don’t know the guy, but right now he seems like a immature lout who should not be a physician.
Ditch digger, pehaps.
Being a doc is just a job. Docs that forget that aren’t good ones. Docs are people too, just like the rest of us plumbers, cashiers, and truck drivers. It’s not like they have to join the priesthood…oops, too obvious of a pedophile thing going there. Anyway, being a doc doesn’t elevate you above regular human foibles, emotions, and reactions.
Several of my friends are docs. One is a very good doc and a mess of a human being. One doesn’t interfere with the other a bit. Pedestals are for Grecian statues.
Scrub
Hope your hand heals up.
I read this the day you posted and I have had a thought or 2 come to mind since then
-journal the details down to the T.
If he presses charges then it might not go to court for a year or so… details could get foggy.
-do the same with your witnesses, any and all.
one more thing perhaps a journal to write in (if or when you can)
would be a good therapeutic idea
Sometimes things come out - things we didn’t know we felt journaling
It’s privet! And you can reflect on it come time if need be.
you’re in my thoughts!
E~ since when do journals resemble hedges? Unless of course he’s going to plant a hedge to keep his journal private.
Yes, I’m extremely bored - and the above will only make sense if you know what i’m talking about.
sigh Where’s US=GG when you need him, I feel like some mindless abuse 
Sometimes I wonder how people who are so literate, can be so damn poor at reading comprehension.
T bros and vixens: thaks for taking the time to give me some much needed insight. I hope to be able to return the favor.
Lumpy: Those are some strong assertions. You obviously have some hidden agendas and oversensitivity issues with something I said. Homosexuality maybe? I’ve read some of your posts, as well. The devil’s advocate approach is often very thought-provoking with debatable issues, but this isn’t that type of thread. My original question was about how to deal with something that is not commonly dealt with or talked about in the open. It makes people uncomfortable. I was uncomfortable. I was also feeling very badly about what happened to me and to the guy. I didn’t post this thread to slap high fives with people for hurting a gay man, so stop trying to go down that road. Many people have already explained why this was not like that, but if you still don’t get it go back and reread. Not many people have experience dealing with a situation like this. That’s a fact and it’s a good thing. Just like when a patient comes to his family practitioner with a problem that is beyond his scope of knowledge and a specialist is consulted. I sought affirmation from others, and all but two or three people on this forum and my ex have helped me get some peace of mind. What does that tell you bud? I don’t even know you, but you’ve proven to everyone that you enjoy being a pain in the ass. You try to hijack threads by provoking people to engage with you over irrelevant issues because you’re bored and looking for entertainment. Lastly, attacking my competency as a future physician without even knowing me just makes you look like an ass.
In other words, what a tool.
I can’t believe it. I just came back from 10 days in Ireland and, to my utter astonishment, I come across this post and actually agree with LUMPY. As a result of that reprehensible act, God is punishing us all by knocking out the lights in 50 million homes. I apologize God. I will never agree with Lumpy again. Honest Injun!
And, Scrub, I think you would make an ideal shrink.
tinman, this is NOWHERE NEAR the first time I have heard a story like this. I know several people that had this happen, and several gay men that said they did this.
I know used to be friends with these two guys, and my gay friend did this to my straight friend, who proceeded to beat him up. Later, my gay friend says “he doesn’t like me because I’m gay”, and we said “no, he doesn’t like you because you RAPED him.”
Anyway, I never heard of anyone getting sued. I guess he’d probably have pressed charges by now.
One argument I think for going to the cops instead of beating him up is that, if you report it, he has a record as a sex offender. And even when he got out of jail he’d have to register wherever he goes to live for many years. Also, if he does it again, he will end up in jail for a long long time. But by beating him up, the punishment he receives is only temporary.
My friend was just me telling how her sister was beat up and raped in high school by her boyfriend, and never told anyone (except years later told her). Her cousin was raped by her boyfriend and also never told anyone. These guys are walking around beating up and raping girls still probably because the girls were too embarrased to speak up.
If this had happened to me I would have done the same thing to the guy. I would have been alot more of an asshole about it though saying things like “I hope you’re exceptionally good at fighting or else you are about to get a serious ass beating you fucking rapist mother fuck.” ::ass beating commences:: ~Don’t listen to the guys that say your response was innappropriate, that asshole had it coming to him. He might press charges but there is a high probability that he won’t due to his general dicklessness and the fact that he would have to go to jail himself. You did the RIGHT thing, try hitting with your palm instead of your fist though next time you get raped by some dickless prick.
I made a mistake in my last post. Lumpy, I had you confused with iscariot regarding the practice of trying to argue with people over irrelevant issues in order to entertain yourself. My bad. But the rest of what I said still applies. You actually gave me some good advice in my “soap opera” thread about my ex, but apparently sometime after that you decided that I should be a ditch digger instead of a physician. Thanks for the career counseling, but I didn’t ask for it. In fact, I didn’t ask your opinion about whether or not I should have called the police either. You accuse me of being immature, but an immature and naive person would have called the police and learned the hard way that this type of thing doesn’t get taken seriously. It’s easy for you to preach with your condescending and idealistic opinions about the right thing to do, but that sort of unrealistic politically correct statement does not help me at all. I asked for advice on how to get my head straight because I’ve been pushed to my limit in many aspects of my life recently. I don’t regret what I did with my ex, her family, or to the guy who grabbed my crank. They all had it coming. I was provoked, I reacted, it’s done.
As far as the “fag” comment, I’ll say again that I have gay friends and coworkers that I get along with just fine. If you go back to my original post, you’ll see that I said my teammates have been making the fag jokes, not me. You don’t know me, and you’re actually wrong to assume that I am a homophobe. Despite what you say, I won’t have any problem treating gay patients because homosexuality itself does not bother me. Molestation does.
I don’t see how my handling of the recent events in my life can prompt you to call me an idiot, immature, or to claim that I don’t have a cool head on my shoulders. You haven’t seen me work under pressure, but I’m sure if you did you would realize that I work best under pressure. But I am aware that at 26, I have a lot to learn, and I’m open to constructive criticism so I can better myself. That is, after all, what being a med student is all about: on a daily basis, my superiors ask me questions until I don’t know the answer, and that’s how I learn. Calling someone names and berating them is only good for pissing people off and making yourself look like a jerk. So if you have anything specific and constructive to add, I’m all ears.
maybe i missed it, but you got counseling? anything useful come of that?
have you ever struck out violently like that before?
Scrub- You mentioned that you were worried about how this situation would affect the way the staff at the hospital views you. Has anything come of that?
ScrubMD
It appears that you haven’t learned anything from this experience. Too bad.
“You accuse me of being immature, but an immature and naive person would have called the police and learned the hard way that this type of thing doesn’t get taken seriously.”
What you did was dish out “vigilante justice” which is illegal and WRONG. Why is that so hard for you to understand? You’ve already decided that the police won’t satisfy your desire to punish this guy, so you take matters into your own hands. That is the job of the police and the courts. I would tell you this if it was you who was molested, your sister, your girlfriend, whoever. This isn’t the Wild West. Maybe you should do some volunteer work at a rape crisis center. Do you think the system only works for tough guys who can beat the crap out of their assailants? That is not how the justice system works.
“I don’t see how my handling of the recent events in my life can prompt you to call me an idiot, immature, or to claim that I don’t have a cool head on my shoulders.”
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YOU were the one with the soap opera thread about this girl who you wanted to marry, but her parents wouldn’t let her. Now you announce you are just using this girl for sex. Mature?
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You got so drunk that you couldn’t handle yourself and passed out in someone else’s house, where you don’t even know everyone. Mature?
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You beat the crap out of a guy who lives at the house instead of calling the police, so violently that you injure yourself beating him in the back of the head, horrifying other onlookers. Mature?
You had enough sense to be embarrassed when going to the emergency room, although I suspect it was for the wrong reasons. You should be embarrassed in front of your colleagues for beating the hell out of this guy, it was NOT the right thing to do. You weren’t defending yourself, you weren’t in any danger, it was purely for revenge, and it was done in a non-thinking violent rage. That’s not good!!!
My comments about you making a good doctor are my opinion, and I hope they motivate you to THINK and conduct yourself appropriately. I wonder if you are interested in medicine to HELP people or if it is a good way for you to make a lot of money. I’m guessing that helping people is not at the top of your list, in which case I hope you quit medical school. If you are interested in helping people, you should have enough sense NOT to feel good about beating the crap out of somebody who sounds mentally disturbed at best. You could have literally killed the guy, paralyzed him, caused permanent brain damage, etc.
I’m sorry this guy fondled you and you now have to deal with that, but you lost your shit and reacted totally innapropriately. Stop making excuses for your own bad behavior.
You asked for opinions on this matter, and now you’re unhappy that I’m not slapping you on the back for “teaching the guy a lesson”. You were wrong, and two wrongs don’t make a right.
I also agree with the others who say that you should speak to a counselor about this.
I’m sorry if it seems like I am busting your balls here but you did NOT do the right thing by attacking this guy.
I think hitting the guy was the right thing to do.
Back when men settled things among themselves instead of running to the teacher, police, or a lawyer the world wasn’t full of spineless assholes that try to get away with what ever they want.
Now days you don’t have to worry about an ass beating so much. Any “negative consequences” are far after the fact and generally of a nature that fails to really be a punishment and worse yet it has ZERO deterrant factor.
Gee, society is so much more civil now. Only the criminals and low lifes use violence. The rest of us are above that. It’s like the person that’s too dainty to take the garbage away choking on the stench until the garbageman comes to get it.
admitidley i havent read 100% of the responses to this thread but the ones i have read are freaken amazing to me. i cant believe that anyone would question or criticize him for beating the dudes ass. that is so unbeleivable to me. i say the dude is lucky to be alive. if scrub was a girl and was fondled wouldnt you say the that the dude should be hung or beat or whatever?
this was straight up rape and worse it was guy on guy, yeah thats right call me a homophobe i dont give a shit, if a guy grabbed my dick and started stroking me while i was sleeping i would have beat his ass too.
obviously the current judicial system isnt working in regards to rapists, molesters, etc, perhaps this dude learned a valuable lesson and will never grab another mans dick again.
I’d beat the fuck out of anyone that touches my cock without my permission, whether its as the event occurs, 5 minutes, or 5 days later. What if they have an STD?
Lumpy: thanks for taking the time to explain why you think I am an idiot and should quit med school. I feel much better now that I know your reasons for saying such things because they are unfounded and off the mark. Your argument is hollow, as evidenced by your detailed breakdown of why I’m an idiot. For example:
1)There was a period of a few weeks where my ex and I were still sleeping together. This is true. However, you could say that she was using me just as much as I was using her because we both knew it was over and there was no chance of reconciling. The day after I met someone else is the last time we have spoken.
2)I did know everyone at the party. I grew up with the molester’s brother, roomed w/him in college, and was close with his family. I was not drunk anymore in the early morning when it happened. I was asleep for a few hours, and most people sober up pretty quickly after throwing up.
3)Let’s just agree to disagree on this one. Just like he made a conscious decision to come in the room and play with my junk, I thought about whether or not to hit him before I did it. It was what I had to do and I’m glad I did. Consider the alternatives. Calling the police was NOT the right thing to do in a situation like this. I have friends that are cops that I play baseball with and that come into my workplace. They all tell me they would have done the same.
Should I call them and tell them to turn in their badges? An ass beating is what he needed and will most likely be an effective deterrent. I’ll explain why in a minute.
I don’t know how you can possibly assume that I want to be a doctor for the money when you don’t even know me. If I was in it for the money, I would have gone into business or computers. I will be $170,000 in debt in less than two years when I graduate. I have horrible credit, I drive my grandma’s Buick, and I go to work for 12 hours a day without getting paid. It’s a sacrifice that I’m willing to make because in my heart this is what I want to do. If I helped one person at the end of the day I feel good.
Why do you think I try to help people with training, nutrition, or medical questions on this forum? I’m not getting paid. Do you think docs should be robots who fix people as if they were a car getting fixed by a mechanic? I don’t care what field you’re in, but unless you are passionate about what you do, you won’t be successful. So sue me if I’m a passionate guy who has feelings. Yeah, I’m the one who gets pissed off when I see a person getting bullied, and I’m the one who does something about it. I’m not a violent person and I don’t feel good about what I did. I did what I had to do. Would you rather go see a doc that wasn’t passionate and willing to fight for you? Last time I checked, that was the most common complaint about physicians: indifference.
The reason why this guy will think twice about fondling someone against their will again is because rape and molestation is a power issue. One of the guy’s roommates asked me, “Of all the people who were asleep in the house, why would he pick the biggest and strongest guy there to do this to?” Ok, I’m not that big, but these guys are a few years younger and more into drinking beer than working out. The fact is, this guy knew I would most likely hurt him if I woke up. He probably got off on it because of the danger element.
Lumpy, you are usually on point with your posts and I often agree, but in this case I really can’t see things from your side no matter how hard I try. Let’s just let this thread die.