I do a combination exercise the starts with a hang clean (minimal leg assist), followed by an overhead press. Sometimes I alternate the press behind the neck, but do most of them in front. Can’t press nearly as much standing as I can seated with back support, though. Like Lumpy, I use the incline bench, facing it, straddling the bench, to pick up and rack the bar from the lowest pegs. Excellent combination for the entire shoulder, rotator cuff, and traps, plus core stability.
Well since i hold girls up over my head about six days out of the week, all i ever get out of shoulder presses is this dull pain over my shoulders that cant be pinpointed. happens every single time and doesnt stop unless i get a couple of days off from doing everything. so i only do them in the off season now but really do not care for them anyway. i train using westside and really hammer my triceps.
The thing with BTN is that there’s a muscle in your neck called the sternocleidomastoid, and when you do any exericse behind your neck (lat pull downs are often done this way by inexperienced lifters), you strengthen this muscle. Over time, your neck will begin to shift forward, and you will begin to look like somewhat of a weirdo. Keep all exercises in front of your neck…
WHAT?!?!?
I never go BTN since I don’t want shoulder pain hounding me into old age. I do mine sitting since I want to isolate delt involvement only as much as possible. I like to do the on the Smith Machine since I can really load up on the lbs. and properly tax the muscles. I don’t mind arching my back some when I get up in lbs. (but not too much) as this allows me a way to “cheat” the lbs. up–concentric movement–and then assume proper form for the negative/eccentric side of the exercise.
Char, is that a what, i’ve never heard of that, or a what, i think you’re wrong?
Um, that would be a “What? I think you’re wrong.”
I’ll back up and one up Char-dawg here. “I know you’re wrong.” That’s like saying that hooking your feet under something to do some kind of situp will strengthen your tibialis muscles, therefore causing you to be in permanent dorsiflexion.
Thank you, Doc. Actually, I was going to say, “I think you’re totally, completely out of your sternocleidomastoid-wrapped skull”… but I didn’t want to sound, y’know, rude.
Char, thank you very much for your last post. I guess that you have never been wrong in anything you have said or done in your entire life.
'course I have. Chill out.
I haven’t seen your name up on the forum here before, and while that doesn’t entirely rule out the possibility of your having posted before this, it does make it fairly likely that this was your first post here. If that’s indeed the case, then I’d just like to say that this forum is unlike others in several ways, one of the most salient being that we try not to perpetuate “lifting rumors” and false information. You won’t find too many people around here saying that full squatting is bad for your knees, for example, or that you can only digest 25 grams of protein at one sitting.
For you to have said something like the above in your first post was, well, unfortunate. But as you implied, we all make mistakes. No sweat. Next time, though, you might think what you’re saying through just a little more before putting it up here. 
And, mea culpa, I probably DO flame the newbies a little too much. Sorry. But if it isn’t me, I guarantee you that someone else will step up. This board’s like that. It’s a great place to learn, but don’t try to pass off unsupported “information”.
Later…