Ok…my bad…lol
sorry for making that assumption
Ok…my bad…lol
sorry for making that assumption
I have a copy.
I have HDll. High Intensity Training the Mike Mentzer Way is basically the same book. It was in the editing stages when Mike died. You don’t have to pay crazy prices to get the same information. There is more content as well.
If you want HDII you can go to Golden Era Bookworm. Search Mike Mentzer. Heavy Duty II mind and body PDF It’s about 40 bucks. It’s even printable. I have no affiliation.
There are a few other Mentzer books. The Original Heavy Duty called Mike Mentzer a Logical Approach to Muscle Building is a good read too. In that book to lays out how to modify the routine. Mentzer even states that the routine might be too much for some people.
In Mentzer’s books he writes about making adjustments. Before you go to something like a consolidation try dropping a few isolation or simple exercises first.
HDII is basically a upper and lower body workout. The arm and shoulder workout uses dips. Later writings in High Intensity Training the Mike Mentzer way curls were replaced with palms up pulldowns.
You hit your whole upper body in both chest and back,and arm and shoulders day. Just with different exercises.
Thank you, for the hot tip.
Very plausible and unfortunately makes the most sense.
I would have to double check my HD info. I have saved a lot over the years.
I remember seeing information before HD2 came out. He was talking about how he transitioned to the HD2 routine.
He said he was training others on that 3 way split. Day 1 Chest and Back. Day 2 Arms and Shoulders,Day 3 legs. 72 hours between workouts.
He said he thought there would be better progress by adding a leg day between both upper body routines. That became HD2. Mentzer aso added the extra day rest.
I don’t think there was a deadlift used in the first version you listed.
He did it to try and maintain what he built while cutting calories. It was not part of what he did to get there.
On page 126 of HD2 Mike endorses twinlabs creatine fuel plus.
Did i comment about this somewhere? Could not find anywhere that i did
I replied your post from this thread. It should have linked back to it.
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Just skimmed thru 5 mentzer books, only thing I could find on supplements is to use supplements as a supplement and that most are scams…I am paraphrasing
I do recall from his tapes that he endorsed creatine and twinlabs…I could be mistaken as I have not heard the tape in probably 15 years
Some time ago I posted the testing procedures to determine fiber type: the one recommended by AJ/Darden and another one by IART. I did those tests multiple times with various equipment in order to check myself and those tests never failed to confirm the conclusions which I made just watching how my different muscles reacted to various reps schemes. At least, on that points (that you can determine fiber type without biopsy and that you need to train in accordance with your fiber type) I fully agree with AJ. Although, Jones said several times that he knows for sure how fast-twitch muscles need to be trained, but he is not so sure how slow-twitch muscles should be trained. I speculate that he thought that slow-twitch muscles need more volume & frequency and not just higher rep count (15-20) in one all-out set
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I did the Nautilus fiber type tests. This works well, and the results were surprising.
Furthermore, slow twitch fibers are always recruited before fast twitch fibers, so any weight training exercise trains slow twitch fibers. The best way to train slow twitch fibers, due to their nature is endurance training. Think cardiovascular conditioning. No wonder Arthur Jones was not sure how to train slow-twitch fibers along with the hordes of HiTers.
Endurance training is just one tool, one way to skin a cat, so to speak. Another proved method is cluster training (Vince Gironda’s type of training). Another one is high density rest pause clusters. Another one is myo reps. Another one is high reps / volume training used by Tom Platz. Another one is pump training used by Serge Nubret. ST fibers will always start first, even in those trainers who predominantly have mostly FT. It is strange to see so called experts recommending everybody to train in 6-8 reps for strength and mass, which means (just watch those guys training and count the time under tension) means 15-20 second maximum. Not enough even for FT muscles. Not enough if you rest longer than the same 15-20 seconds and don’t work in clusters.
Sorry, but endurance training has long been figured out. Rocky Marciano built fabulous endurance with running, not resistance training. It is the same story the world over. Some cardiovascular conditioning benefits occur with resistance training, but fails to measure up as an efficient/effective modality of endurance training.
Endurance training teaches the body to burn fat, resistance training uses sugar. Sugar cravings? Fat or fatigue? Perhaps more cardio and less curls is in order.
The slow-twitch aerobic muscle fiber, with the potential for long-term energy and fatigue-resistant movement, supports our joints and surrounding soft tissues.
Right on time!! I was counting on it!
Promises made, promises kept
Wow…one trick…you’ve outdone yourself this time.
Just when I thought you couldn’t plummet to new depths…you never disappoint.
You’ve managed to trawl through this thread and comment on a post from THREE years ago…just to make your cardio point…again!