i still believe the orical was god as she guided Neo’s journey
[quote]jacob-1310 wrote:
i still believe the orical was god as she guided Neo’s journey[/quote]
A guide but maybe not god.
Jesus came from God and was apart of god
Neo came from the matrix and was a controller of the matrix
In the end he dies and becomes apart of the matrix or rejoins God.
[quote]PB Andy wrote:
The Wachowskis have never acknowledged The Invisibles as an influence, even though they had invited the comic’s creator Grant Morrison to contribute a story for their website. Morrison – who actually liked The Matrix – says he “was told by people on the set that Invisibles books were passed around for visual reference.” His reaction to the second and third movies? “They should have kept on stealing from me.”[/quote]
I had a weird progression into the Matrix.
I JUST finished reading “Illuminatus!” omnibus the day I started the Invisibles (there is a lot of mental cross-talk between the Illuminatus series and Grant Morrison). The day I finished the Invisibles (not the series, I could only find up to #18) is the day I saw the Matrix.
It took a few watches for me to see the Church and the Invisibles in the Matrix, but then I thought I was just crazy.
Then I saw an interview where Morrison was peeved at them letting him do a story for the site but them not giving him credit for basically creating most of the framework for the movie itself.
As an aside, I have a magazine wherein Grant Morrison notes he wrote the Invisibles as a magic spell to protect us all from the change to the new millennium.
hah, interesting Vash. Also sorry guys, the Matrix part of that article is on page 1, I linked p2 like a har-tard.
Very interesting read Erasmus. Thanks for posting.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]Nards wrote:
I didn’t think the movie was that deep.
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Then you didn’t pay attention. It was a Jesus story, simply put…crossed with discussion of philosophy. I would go as far as to dsay it is the best representation of that concept in our current times in media.
I give the first film a ton of credit. It will be one of those they watch 50 years from now in schools to discuss.[/quote]
Or it means your definition of deep is much shallower than mine.
[quote]Nards wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]Nards wrote:
I didn’t think the movie was that deep.
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Then you didn’t pay attention. It was a Jesus story, simply put…crossed with discussion of philosophy. I would go as far as to dsay it is the best representation of that concept in our current times in media.
I give the first film a ton of credit. It will be one of those they watch 50 years from now in schools to discuss.[/quote]
Or it means your definition of deep is much shallower than mine.
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Whatever, dude. This from the guy who thinks Star Trek is the epitome of science fiction.
The Matrix has been debated since it first came out. The philosophical aspects of it are obvious. It was way “deeper” than 99% of the crap that comes out in that media form…even to today unless you think movies like Inception qualify as “philosophically deep”.
If you want to discuss the movie, do so. Your comments of how shallow it is, however, would sound stronger if not coming from the guy with the hide-away pocket camera and pink tea cup puppies.
But hey, you know I LOVE you Nards!!!
I never said Star Trek was the epitome of sci-fi. I just like it a lot.
It’s just that the idea of wondering “what is real” or not is the kind of stuff college kids with wispy little goatees talk about to sound profound and likely gives philosophy professor a bloody headache.
^ I never seen it as what is real an what is a dream. I always thought it was about Power. Who had it. Who was in control. Who were the drones or followers and who rebel. The Matrix itself was God, Neo Jesus.
I could never figure who was Satan in all of this. Or was Satan just sloth the desire to just just live day in day out without really seeing the trouble around you.
Come on guys. It’s Sunday I’m on a train heading to MD and this is the best convo going on right now. Or at least it could be.
Well, I started a new thread about the new Thing movie if you like.
That’s a deep movie…as in like a deep dish pizza that explodes in your face with fucking spider legs coming out of it and it jumps on your face and lays eggs. No wait, that’s another movie.
superman is a prime example of this christ-like figure savior of thr world, neo savior of the human race…
One of the biggest influences on the Matrix trilogy was the German miniseries World on a Wire,even to the point that people are downloaded via telephone booths.
Another influence was Plato’s Cave:
[quote]roybot wrote:
One of the biggest influences on the Matrix trilogy was the German miniseries World on a Wire,even to the point that people are downloaded via telephone booths.
Another influence was Plato’s Cave:
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Dammit Roybot, take your high-falutin’ philosophical concepts and cram 'em!
We’re thoroughly enjoying what is no more than flashing lights depicting only a fight between people and robots!
[quote]Vash wrote:
[quote]roybot wrote:
One of the biggest influences on the Matrix trilogy was the German miniseries World on a Wire,even to the point that people are downloaded via telephone booths.
Another influence was Plato’s Cave:
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Dammit Roybot, take your high-falutin’ philosophical concepts and cram 'em!
We’re thoroughly enjoying what is no more than clawing colors selecting only a fight between people and robots![/quote]
LOL. Bizarrely, World on a Wire explains the Matrix better the the movies themselves.It could actually br a prequel to the Matrix in the way that it explains how a computer simulation could come about… No gloss, no SFX. If I elaborated any further I’d spoil the story.
Be warned though: World on a Wire is old, so flares are going to be very fashionable in the future…
P.S. Agent Smith FTW…
Hell of a good breakdown of a lot of the philosophical and religious elements of all three films.
There’s also a pretty cool discussion of the hardware, AI/virtual reality side of them.
[quote]Vash wrote:
As an aside, I have a magazine wherein Grant Morrison notes he wrote the Invisibles as a magic spell to protect us all from the change to the new millennium.[/quote]
Well that explains a lot. He’s not quite as crazy in the head as Alan Moore, but he’s working on it.
The machine race are our own higher-dimensional shadow selves (this is why Morpheus says we created them, then they entrapped us in a world designed to distract us from what’s really going on). Our task in this life is to grow in both knowledge and being to be able to re-merge with our shadows in a healthy way, not letting them dominate us.
“In the Shadow lies the Gold.” - Carl Jung
Q. To what, therefore, is the whole philosophic combination reduced?
A. The development of one into two, and the reduction of two into one, and nothing further.
- Paracelsus, Alchemical Catechism
This is why Near Earth Object (NEO) must fuse with Smith to cleanse the Matrix of the virus.
The Architect = God the Father
The Oracle = God the Mother
Neo = the Son of God
The convo between Neo and Architect is very important; the Matrix has many counterfeit paths set up “to deceive even the very elect.” Do not underestimate our opponent in this matter.
“When you can see from inner silence, the predator may appear as a gigantic shadow, leaping in the air and then landing with a silent thud. They are really heavy. Don’t be frightened. Keep your inner silence and it will move away.” - Carlos Castaneda, The Active Side of Infinity Castaneda Don Juan Teachings: The Active Side of Infinity
P.S.
The freeway scene is the best fucking thing I have ever seen in my entire life.
P.P.S.
The LIZARDS of THE OTHER SIDE are trying to TRUMANIZE you with their HORSE MOVEMENTS because you haven’t had you CRYSTAL ACTIVATED yet.
http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/ciencia/matrix_brainwashing/notruman.htm
I am in the IT field. I tried to make it through MATRIX once. It did nothing for me. I may be weird, but all Star Trek except original series are a waste, all video games are boring.
this still doesnt answer the question as to whether the “reality” the real world is just another matrix explaining why neo has powers outside, why mr smith can penetrate, why the machines created neo because the predicted the matrix’s downfall, why neo could not really live freedom which morpheous had told him he would live, but rather he lived a set path of events and thus was neo really human, or was he just another program in the matrix?
mind = blown.
[quote]jp_dubya wrote:
I am in the IT field. I tried to make it through MATRIX once. It did nothing for me. I may be weird, but all Star Trek except original series are a waste, all video games are boring.[/quote]
No…that just means you are uninteresting at parties.
LOL @ “all video games are boring”. Yeah, they are flying off the racks at up to and over 60 bucks a pop because they put most people to sleep.
LOL