I’m a former criminal, albeit not a convicted one.
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You are pretty young right?
And I assume never been in a situation where legitimate self defense was required.
Your mindset will get you and those you love hurt / killed in this world with a quickness.
I’m not hating on you, but it’s the truth.
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Violent ones?
Yes.
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The crazy dude created a self-defense situation and the marine used the tools/skills available to him to survive, but everyone expects him to initiate a toe hold or something and “win”, as if life is a cartoon with overlayed “kapow” captions and bs outcomes.
He was right to do everything he could to end the situation and make sure it really was over.
And this is exactly why you shoot people in self-defense.
“I felt threatened for my life and aimed center mass because it’s the largest target and hitting a bystander by accident is less likely. It was not my intent to kill but he was still moving after the first shot and I’m aware injured people can still attack and/or operate weapons, so I fired again until I felt certain the threat he initiated no longer existed. It was not my intent to kill. Have a good night, Officer. If you have any further questions I’m happy to put you in touch with legal representation”.
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“Is it wrong to show compassion to criminals”
No, not reformed criminals.
It is wrong to show compassion to criminals in the act of committing crimes, especially violent and/or threatening crimes?
“I love you, you son of a bitch. Thanks for continuing to assault me, you are forgiven. Ok fine shoot me, I’ll find the heart to forgive you.”
Fuck that. Choke hold away. Or better yet, blow the brain pan out. It’s not about compassion in this context but ending an active threat. Why confuse the two?
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Better yet, “no statement until I speak to my lawyer”.
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Ask their victims.
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This is a cultural difference I can remember my dad mentioning, after he went to a school or class of some sort back when he was working, if I’m not mistaken. How in New York(the north in general) you can have two people scream, cuss, flip one another off, then drive away…down here, acting like that is likely to get you shot. I’ve also seen it written about(I’ve read more about it, but this was convenient):
https://owlcation.com/humanities/Honor-and-Violence-in-the-Early-American-South
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Definitely a “shut the fuck up Friday” situation.
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I like the intent of your post, but don’t be the dumbass giving a story before consulting with an attorney. There are plenty of police officers who are good people and will go to bat for someone that’s done nothing wrong(i.e., you tell them the truth and they don’t use your words to make an arrest that they don’t feel should be made), but don’t count on that. Let them do what they decide to do, and you deal with your lawyer later.
Being a NYer that moved to the south this is generally accurate. You can talk ridiculous shit to each other in the north and call it a day.
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This is the case in many other parts of the world. Lots of talking and bravado and not much else. Apparently hitting early and with force is not a thing everywhere. Who knew ?
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Huge difference between talking shit and threatening people.
With how insane people are today, I don’t take any violent threats lightly.
I give more leeway if I’m by myself, but if my children or wife are with me. You will get zero leeway. I can’t take the risk of me being incapacitated and them being next.
Your best bet is to just leave people the fuck alone.
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Yup!
I saw quite a load of bullshit talk about how this guy was just “hungry and yelling” or “angry and hungry” and “this always happens in NYC; I’ve been yelled at so many times on trains and just let it go.”
When someone is intimidating and screaming, especially in tight quarters like a subway car, one should start fearing for his safety, maybe even his life. It is not a matter of “just yelling”. That yelling has a clear intention behind it and it is meant to intimidate, cower, and put the victim in a frozen state. From my observations in life, when someone acts in a menacing manner, they are likely setting up a hit to the unaware victim who believes the harassment will just go away.
This video below is just one other example in the outrageous increase in subway crime in NYC in the past two years, and can be the result of not fleeing from people “just yelling.”
Speaking of family, few months ago, a couple with their baby endured racial verbal abuse on an NYC train (video is available online). Because we have been neutered in NY, the couple went about talking to each other in an attempt to ignore the harasser.
I could be here for a long time posting video after video showing what has happened in the 60% increase in subway crime over a year.
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I saw this.
Dude would have been lucky to get away from me alive after that. You don’t direct stuff at my children like a piece of shit coward or you are going to get treated like one.
Going after kids is subhuman pond scum garbage.
I still go back to, how hard is it to leave people alone? Like just mind your own fucking business.
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This is a fascinating topic, albeit not really relevant to the Jordan Neely situation. It’s basically a difference between what many call “honor” cultures and “dignity” cultures; the former tend to be less affluent and educated, more clannish, with an inherent distrust of government, whereas the latter tend to be well-educated and assume that the police and government will always come to their rescue. Things can go sideways when the two interact. Think rural Southern fellow vs. Ivy League lawyer or professor. Marc McYoung has written extensively about this, largely to warn the latter about getting themselves in trouble when they fail to understand the cultural norms of the former.
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Absolutely. If the police can’t (or aren’t permitted to) deal with folks like this, it is inevitable that ordinary work-a-day people will find themselves in situations where they feel they have to act to address a threat. And it’s inevitable that as non-experts on policing or the use of force, some of them are going to go too far even with good intentions. De-policing is just getting us the law of the jungle, which should be no surprise to anyone with any understanding of human nature.
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It’s telling how the people who are protesting this guy’s death and how the alleged killer was released are the same people who are all for DAs releasing suspects with no bail. Due process, to them, is race based it seems.
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And this, the actual threatening part is a city thing. I’m from rural upstate and like you said we would talk wicked shit but threats were usually met with force. In big cities people just interact with each other oddly.
I honestly feel like we’re on the verge of a “Death Wish” scenario playing out in major cities if they don’t get their shit together. People will only take so much.
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That and if police / government do not start holding criminals and nutjobs accountable - the people will take it into their own hands.
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