He did indeed offer that testimony while under oath. You should really watch The Fall of Minneapolis.
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To what end? Do you think it will change what i saw Chauvin do?
Can you over one hint of a tease about some potential bombshell that’s in the documentary to entice me to watch?
It may make you question whether or not he is guilty of 2nd degree murder and deserves to spend decades behind bars. It may make you question the integrity of the people behind the left-wing narratives surrounding this case.
I certainly don’t believe that he is guilty of 2nd degree murder, nor do I think the other three officers should have been found guilty of their charges.
As to the documentary’s production and substance, I’ll give a brief review.
I found it to be well-done overall. It aimed to show facts that were not part of the media narrative, as well as show how the media narrative was at-odds with the facts. I didn’t get a sense of Michael Moore-esque selective editing or using deception to bait people into saying something provocative. It seemed credible to me, and straightforward in it’s structure and explanation of what was being presented.
It presents evidence that the police chief who testified that the knee pin Chauvin used was not an approved restraint is a liar who committed perjury. It presented photo evidence and several former MPD officers said on camera that they were all trained to use such a pin. Maybe the evidence is doctored and those people are all liars with an axe to grind, but they seemed credible to me.
It raises a lot of questions about the autopsy process.
It presents the body cam footage of the events leading up to the knee pin, which makes them seem like reasonable men doing their best to manage a severely intoxicated and uncooperative man.
It went down other relevant rabbit holes too, but in summary it reinforced the opinion I already had about this case and the disgraceful conduct of the politicians and media figures. It was a show trial.
I’ve been under all kinds of pins, especially in training situations where I, a big guy like George Floyd, was pinned by a small guy, like Chauvin.
It isn’t deadly for a guy my sized to be under a knee pin by a guy Chauvin’s size. It just isn’t, not in any contrived scenario I can imagine on any part of the body, especially the shoulder blade like the pin used on Floyd. I can ride that out all day and be perfectly fine.
But I don’t have a heart condition and I don’t use fentanyl or methamphetamines. I certainly don’t try to eat a deadly amount of them as the cops are trying to arrest me. If I was doing things like that, I can see how a knee pin might be part of a chain of events that would kill me.
I certainly don’t find it plausible that Chauvin used the restraint with any intention of killing George Floyd, but he was still somehow convicted of 2nd degree murder.
Otherwise, knee pins by a dude Chauvin’s side are an uncomfortable nuisance at worst for a healthy guy my size. Or George Floyd’s size.
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In order for a knee pin, or even chest to chest pin, to cause severe discomfort or even render someone unconscious, there needs to be opposing force. So if you put your knee on someone’s chest, you would need to grab them from behind the head and pull up in order to make them suffer. If someone just puts a knee on you, half their weight will be on the other leg. I don’t see how you could create enough compressive force with just a knee placed on someone’s upper body to render him unconscious, let alone kill him.
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You are absolutely correct. The most acute pressure I’ve ever experienced was the first time sparring with my coach’s coach. He hit me with a drop seoi nage and then got his knee into my sternum while simultaneously pulling on my gi. The man knows how to lead from the front.
It was nasty, but not deadly.
I don’t think the technique was relevant. Minneapolis doesn’t have a rule against the choke hold like New York does. Chauvin wasn’t charged with choke hold.
The other things the Chief mentioned were actually violations.
You’re correct that he wasn’t charged with a choke hold. He was charged with, and convicted of, second degree murder.
When the claim is that it was the technique that caused death, I would say it is relevant.
Lots of things can be disputed in this case.
Second degree murder, however, was an obvious example of being railroaded. Where, exactly, was the “malicious intent”??? @FlatsFarmer
add: A second-degree murder charge is often given to individuals who are committing another crime along with the murder.
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I’ve posted this before, but it seems to have been forgotten:
Just look at his face in this picture. He looks kind of mad, or frustrated, or something. DEFINITELY White. What more intent do you want?
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Getting fired for breaking employer procedures makes sense, but would you agree that considering autopsy reports showed death was potentially due to a fentanyl overdose, and not Chauvins knee, that conviction for murder may have been a stretch? Two different things, right?
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Chauvin was kneeling on top of a man he knew was unconscious, who he knew had no pulse. And instead of trying to help in some way, he stayed on top of him and prevented paramedics from treating him.
He intentionally and knowingly prevented a man in life threatening danger from getting help.
How can you say his intent was anything but malicious?
Can any Chauvin supporters offer Any possible explanation for what he did? Or any give any reason why he would have stopped paramedics from helping Floyd?
The really fucked up part is that Chauvin is masturbating in that photo.
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Are both of those points confirmed facts of the case? Honestly don’t know.
To me, the definition of “intent” is that Chauvin (and crew) were out looking for trouble, and possibly were out looking for Floyd specifically. That, to me, is “intent” when it comes to murder. Anyone who is a lawyer can correct me if I’m wrong. @bauber (?)
Not a Chauvin “supporter”, can definitely see why he might’ve been convicted of manslaughter. But, just a passing glance at the violent crimes occurring in any major city will tell you how ridiculous second degree murder was for what occurred in that situation.
add: so his “other crime” while committing murder was masturbating in public?
Yeah man, that’s what made Chauvin’s actions so outrageous. He had multiple people telling him Floyd was unconscious, including an off duty paramedic. He ignored them. And it was another officer who took Floyd’s pulse and told Chauvin he couldn’t find one.
And he kept on holding unresisting, unresponsive Floyd for another 3 minutes, while preventing the actual on duty paramedics from assisting Floyd. The paramedic actually has to pull Chauvin off to get to Floyd.
You’re thinking of “Felony Murder,” which is unintentional death during the commission of another felony. Felony murder was never brought up in this case, and might not even exist in Minnesota.
2nd degree murder is just unplanned or spur of the moment killing. Or when your callous recklessness results in someone’s death.
So Chauvin’s perverse self-pleasuring wasn’t the felony that made it felony murder. It was proof of the recklessness and callousness of Chauvin’s actions.
I will say this: you’re a reasonable guy -the fact you spent this much time and effort “defending” a shitty person who was headed for imminent death anyway (Floyd) helps me understand why the woke crowd essentially deified Floyd because he happened to be the victim of a cop prone to erring on the side of excessive force.
Not sure if this is just in the big cities, but when I was a young lad growing up in NYC, the joke about particularly “rambunctious” individuals was that they were going to grow up to either be criminals, or cops…
Case /… the face of whyte supermaccccy
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Wait, I’m sorry, when I first read the masturbating thing I thought it was a joke.
It…it was, right?
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You could become cops or criminals. What I’m saying is this. when you’re facing a loaded gun, what’s the difference?