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[quote]Eli B wrote:

[quote]John Romaniello wrote:
I like Mark, but Brady is simply more experienced and currently better.

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Currently better? More experienced? Brady up there with the best of all time and Sanchez is in his second year. Jets fans are fucking deluded to even compare them.

Sanchez has done nothing in this league with the exception of a few well thrown balls late in the 4th quarter against garbage teams this season. Great. I’m glad Jets fans have hope but give me a break.

New York has its head up its ass.[/quote]

To be clear: I don’t mean “currently playing better.” I mean, currently he is a better quarterback with a much longer timeline of experience.

Sanchez, as you pointed out, is in his seconds year.

Given that I was not, sadly, blessed with the ability to see the future, I cannot say whether, at the end of their respective careers, Brady will continue to be regarded above Sanchez in either skill or accomplishment.

I’m not much for stat checking or placing too much weight on comparisons of stats–however, I’m curious as to how Brady’s second year would compare to Sanchez’?

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Sanchez has done nothing in this league with the exception of a few well thrown balls late in the 4th quarter against garbage teams this season. Great. I’m glad Jets fans have hope but give me a break.

New York has its head up its ass.[/quote]

What about making it to the AFC championship game last year as a rookie? Does that count? Or were the Chargers and Bengals garbage teams last year also?

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[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
In all honesty, he doesn’t whine at all. He’s actually a pretty hardnosed player who doesn’t give up and doesn’t throw his guys under the bus. And to say he’s a bitch… not after this picture.[/quote]

For some reason I am having trouble loading my Trent Dilfer holding his superbowl trophy picture, but in regards to your post. Your right, he really isnt that whiny, he is SIMPLY a little bitch. And like I said hoisting a trophy over your head means squat if the def. did every thing for your team to get there and win, Trent Dilfer.

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[quote]SILVERDAN7 wrote:

For some reason I am having trouble loading my Trent Dilfer holding his superbowl trophy picture, but in regards to your post. Your right, he really isnt that whiny, he is SIMPLY a little bitch. And like I said hoisting a trophy over your head means squat if the def. did every thing for your team to get there and win, Trent Dilfer.[/quote]

I don’t know what team you’re watching. He’s as important to the Giants as Peyton is to the Colts.

If he was injured for the season, the season would be over. The guy is the cornerstones of the franchise.

Does he look like the village idiot? Sure does. But he’s absolutely not like Trent Dilfer in any way- a journeyman quarterback who hooked up with the right team at the right time.

You’re being ridiculous and irrational.

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I think eli is underrated, in the nfc besides from Brees and Rodgers I would him over any other QB. Fucking Terry Bradshaw already ranked Josh Freeman ahead of him which is ridonkulous!

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[quote]John Romaniello wrote:
Given that I was not, sadly, blessed with the ability to see the future, I cannot say whether, at the end of their respective careers, Brady will continue to be regarded above Sanchez in either skill or accomplishment.
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Now you’re smoking dope. Brady’s going to be considered in the upper echelon of quarterbacks of all time, is a certain hall-of-famer, and you’re sitting here saying you don’t know who will be regarded in either skill or accomplishment by the end of their careers???

Sanchez hasn’t done shit yet. By Brady’s second year he was already enjoying his first superbowl ring.

And to say the Jets have better players is delusional. Your team just got their ass handed to them by the better coach, better players, and better team. Take the loss like a man.

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[quote]John Romaniello wrote:
I’m not much for stat checking or placing too much weight on comparisons of stats–however, I’m curious as to how Brady’s second year would compare to Sanchez’?
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In TB’s second season in the NFL he became the youngest QB to win a Super Bowl…
“Brady was named MVP of Super Bowl XXXVI while throwing for 145 yards, one touchdown, and no interceptions, becoming the then-youngest quarterback to ever win a Super Bowl”

Although he wasn’t officially the starter until the next year when they went 9-7 so you could consider that the first official year, and if so his second full year as a starter…well he won the Suber Bowl again, and was again the MVP.
End comparison.

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[quote]randman wrote:

[quote]John Romaniello wrote:
Given that I was not, sadly, blessed with the ability to see the future, I cannot say whether, at the end of their respective careers, Brady will continue to be regarded above Sanchez in either skill or accomplishment.
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Now you’re smoking dope. Brady’s going to be considered in the upper echelon of quarterbacks of all time, is a certain hall-of-famer, and you’re sitting here saying you don’t know who will be regarded in either skill or accomplishment by the end of their careers???

Sanchez hasn’t done shit yet. By Brady’s second year he was already enjoying his first superbowl ring.

And to say the Jets have better players is delusional. Your team just got their ass handed to them by the better coach, better players, and better team. Take the loss like a man.

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Its not delusional to say the jets have better personell (besides qb) and the last time I checked the season series is tied 1 - 1. Id like to know which starter you would take on the pats over the jets (besides qb)

I fully admit we got our ass kicked, and they may end up being the better team…and saying sanchez hasnt done anything yet is bullshit, does he have a ring? no…but name me how many other QBs in the league did what Sanchez has accomplished in their first two years…not too many.

Again way too much hate for NY Qbs

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[quote]MattyXL wrote:

[quote]randman wrote:

[quote]John Romaniello wrote:
Given that I was not, sadly, blessed with the ability to see the future, I cannot say whether, at the end of their respective careers, Brady will continue to be regarded above Sanchez in either skill or accomplishment.
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Now you’re smoking dope. Brady’s going to be considered in the upper echelon of quarterbacks of all time, is a certain hall-of-famer, and you’re sitting here saying you don’t know who will be regarded in either skill or accomplishment by the end of their careers???

Sanchez hasn’t done shit yet. By Brady’s second year he was already enjoying his first superbowl ring.

And to say the Jets have better players is delusional. Your team just got their ass handed to them by the better coach, better players, and better team. Take the loss like a man.

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Its not delusional to say the jets have better personell (besides qb) and the last time I checked the season series is tied 1 - 1. Id like to know which starter you would take on the pats over the jets (besides qb)

I fully admit we got our ass kicked, and they may end up being the better team…and saying sanchez hasnt done anything yet is bullshit, does he have a ring? no…but name me how many other QBs in the league did what Sanchez has accomplished in their first two years…not too many.

Again way too much hate for NY Qbs

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Let me focus on the one issue I had with this post more than any of the others. There was a casual statement thrown out there that I don’t know by the end of their careers who will have the better “stats”; Brady or Sanchez.

Peyton Manning and Tom Brady are in a class by themselves; two of the greatest quarterbacks of this generation. To casually throw out there that Sanchez has a remote chance of having better stats than Tom Brady is not only a disrespectful statement, it’s delusional. Is there a chance? Sure. There’s also a chance I could be hit by lightning tomorrow.

Let’s just stop the extreme fan bias that’s bordering on ridiculous. I’m not going to get into a tit-for-tat on player vs. player but I will say the better coach won and the better “team” won. Period.

And the Jets deserved that shellacking. All the coach does (and they do) is talk, talk, talk. The media was practically crowning them Superbowl champs. I took particular delight in this drubbing. One of THE most satisfying regular season wins of my sports life. Go Pats!

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[quote]MattyXL wrote:
but name me how many other QBs in the league did what Sanchez has accomplished in their first two years…not too many.

Again way too much hate for NY Qbs

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By the way, what the hell has he done?!?

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Whatever…obviously u refuse to give credit where it is due…I in no way believe that sanchez is gonna have bradys career but he will have an excellent one all he is own…oh yeah because u asked the question again and didn’t answer any of mine a afc championship appearance is nothing to take lightly and he deserves some credit that’s all I’m saying.

I hope and pray we see the pats in the playoffs…win or lose ill be here to take my medicine or start ripping the heads that are ripping my boy sanchez…

So tell me, besides brady who has accomplished more in his year and a half in the league?

Again not too many

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[quote]MattyXL wrote:
a afc championship appearance is nothing to take lightly and he deserves some credit that’s all I’m saying.
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The Jets wouldn’t have even got into the AFC playoffs if the Bengals actually played their starters and had a desire to win in Week 17. Remember that big controversy? The Jets shouldn’t have even got in? I know you remember. Gimme a break…

I’m not even hating on Sanchez. The kid’s got potential. I’d take him over at least 15 other quarterbacks in the league as of his development now. I just took offense that Sanchez was casually thrown in the Brady conversation like he has a real good chance of being considered one of the 10 best quarterbacks of all time.

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So tell me, besides brady who has accomplished more in his year and a half in the league?

Again not too many [/quote]

Let’s stop sucking Sanchez’s noobie dick for a minute and get real. The guy is good. I think your inflating his year and a half accomplishments a little too loosely. You want a list? You got a list…

Rookie starting QBs are a rare breed, because the conventional wisdom is that a year or two of waiting and watching on the sidelines will be a huge benefit to even the greatest potential pro quarterbacks. But some teams are forced, by lack of talent or injury, to give their rook the helm from the get-go.

Top ten rookie QB’s of all time:

  1. Bob Griese (Dolphins, 1967)
    The Dolphins were a second-year expansion team when Grise arrived, and stunk throughout the rest of the 1960s. But Griese demonstrated right away that he could be the cornerstone of the teams that dominated in the early 1970s. He made the Pro Bowl as a rookie (Joe Namath was the other AFL QB), completing 50 percent of his passes for 2,005 yards and 15 TDs.

Joe Namath
Joe Namath delivered very quickly for the New York Jets.

  1. Joe Namath (Jets, 1965)
    Broadway Joe lived up to all the hype, winning AFL rookie of the year honors from both the Sporting News and the United Press and being named to the AFL All-Star team. He took over as starter in the third game of the season and threw for 2,220 yards; it would be the one of just two seasons in his career when he tossed more TD passes (18) than INTs (15).

  2. Johnny Unitas (Colts, 1956)
    Unitas was cut by the Steelers in training camp in 1955, and when the Colts gave him a chance in 1956 he didn’t waste any time in becoming a star. In 12 games he completed 110 of 198 passes (55.6 percent), averaging a solid 7.6 yards per attempt. Unitas also ran 28 times for 155 yards and a TD.

  3. Rick Mirer (1993, Seattle)
    Jerome Bettis was named offensive rookie of the year by the AP, but many (including Football Digest) thought Mirer should have gotten the nod. Why? Because in 1992 the Seahawks’ offense was the worst in the NFL, by far; the team averaged less than one TD a game. With Mirer at the helm the next year, the Seahawks’ offense improved immediately, and the team picked up four more wins, improving from 2-14 to 6-10. Mirer started every game, and set rookie records in completions (274), attempts (486), and yards (2,833). He also carried the ball 68 times for 344 yards and 3 TDs.

It turned out to be the greatest year of Mirer’s career.

  1. Peyton Manning (Colts, 1998)
    Manning took every snap for the Colts in 1998, and set all kinds of rookie QB records in the process: most completions (326), attempts (575), and yards (3,739). He also threw for 26 TDs, breaking Charlie Conerly’s 50-year-old mark. Manning was one of the top QBs in the NFL, leading the AFC in passing yards and attempts.

Manning did all this despite getting off to a terrible start; in his first four games, he threw 11 interceptions. He turned things around in the middle of the season. “The improvement is phenomenal,” said Colts president Bill Polian in mid-December. “I’ve never seen improvement like this from a rookie in all my years.”

  1. Charlie Conerly (Giants, 1948)
    The 1948 Giants weren’t very good, but their 4-8 record was an improvement over 1947 (2-8-2), and started the uptrend that would take them to the playoffs in 1950. Conerly, who compiled the third-highest rookie passer rating ever (84.0), completed 162 of 199 passes for 2,175 yards. He also threw 22 TD passes, which stood as the rookie record for 50 years before Manning.

  2. Fran Tarkenton (Vikings, 1961)
    Tarkenton exploded out of the gates, leading the expansion Vikings to a 37-13 blowout upset of the Bears in their first game. Tarkenton threw for four TDs and ran for another in that contest. He was just getting started. The Vikings finished the season 3-11, but Tarkenton had a great year. He completed 56 percent of his passes and was third in the NFL with 18 TD passes. And he did what he later became famous for: he scrambled and ran like crazy, rushing for 308 yards and 5 TDs.

Dan Marino
From the very beginning, Dan Marino was a smash hit in Miami.

  1. Dan Marino (Dolphins, 1983)
    Marino, the sixth QB picked in the 1983 draft, didn’t start for the Dolphins until the sixth game of the season. His debut, against the Bills, was a harbinger: he threw for 322 yards and 3 TDs in a close OT loss. He then led the Dolphins to the playoffs, in the process becoming the first rookie QB to lead a conference in passing. He also set a rookie record with a 96 passer rating, and became the first rookie QB to start in the Pro Bowl.

  2. Bob Waterfield (Rams, 1945)
    Waterfield was a runaway selection for NFL MVP and led Cleveland to the NFL Championship, throwing the long ball: he averaged 9.4 yards per pass attempt, and completed 52 percent of his passes. He also tossed 37- and 44-yard TD passes in the Rams’ 15-14 championship game win over the Redskins.

  3. Greg Cook (Bengals, 1969)
    Cook had the potential to be one of the greatest QBs in NFL history. The Bengals drafted him out of the University of Cincinnati, fifth overall, and he stepped right into the young Bill Walsh’s offense and threw deep often, connecting with tight end Bob Trumpy and wide receiver Eric Crabtree.

Cook started right away and led the Bengals to a 3-0 record before injuring his shoulder. He missed the next three games (the Bengals lost all three), then came back, still injured, and continued his great season. By the end of his rookie year, he’d thrown for 1,854 yards and 15 TDs. He also averaged 17.5 yards per completion and holds the rookie record for average yards per attempt, 9.41. And his QB rating of 88 remains the second-highest ever for a rookie QB, behind Marino. Cook was named AFL rookie of the year by the United Press.

Sadly, Cook was unable to overcome his shoulder injury and played only one more game (in 1973) in his NFL career.

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Lol randman we’re actually rooting for the same team!

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[quote]Gettnitdone wrote:
Lol randman we’re actually rooting for the same team![/quote]

You’re kidding me?!?! Hey, how about that!

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in your face jets fans, the patriots gave you guys a reminder of the greatness of new england. brady is on another level.

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[quote]gangstpmp3 wrote:
in your face jets fans, the patriots gave you guys a reminder of the greatness of new england. brady is on another level.[/quote]

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Sanchez has a good O-Line, good running backs & killer receivers. He should be having this success with the squad he is surrounded by. And it is very possible he has a ring at the end of his second season.

The Jets are a good fucking team. They are good on paper and good on the field. They have played 2 bad games this year. That is it, 2. (the Baltimore game I blame on the coaches 100%. The players put their hearts on that field.)

But that being said, it is laughable to compare Sanchez to Brady at this point. JR was smoking tha duby, lol. Brady certainly didn’t have the talent at receiver for any of his rings that Sanchez has. And RB wasn’t that awesome either.

Sanchez has a lot to prove before you put him in the same galaxy as a Brady or P. Manning.

He is certainly an NFL QB, and should end up with at least one ring, but he isn’t good enough to compare to a HOF’er at this point. The fact it is even mentioned is based purely on buying into some serious hype.

That is like comparing me to Arnold because my arms are just under 18" after two years of training, lol…

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[quote]countingbeans wrote:
Sanchez has a good O-Line, good running backs & killer receivers. He should be having this success with the squad he is surrounded by. And it is very possible he has a ring at the end of his second season.

The Jets are a good fucking team. They are good on paper and good on the field. They have played 2 bad games this year. That is it, 2. (the Baltimore game I blame on the coaches 100%. The players put their hearts on that field.)

But that being said, it is laughable to compare Sanchez to Brady at this point. JR was smoking tha duby, lol. Brady certainly didn’t have the talent at receiver for any of his rings that Sanchez has. And RB wasn’t that awesome either.

Sanchez has a lot to prove before you put him in the same galaxy as a Brady or P. Manning.

He is certainly an NFL QB, and should end up with at least one ring, but he isn’t good enough to compare to a HOF’er at this point. The fact it is even mentioned is based purely on buying into some serious hype.

That is like comparing me to Arnold because my arms are just under 18" after two years of training, lol… [/quote]

You forgot the picture, Arnold. :slight_smile:

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[quote]DJHT wrote:

[quote]countingbeans wrote:
Sanchez has a good O-Line, good running backs & killer receivers. He should be having this success with the squad he is surrounded by. And it is very possible he has a ring at the end of his second season.

The Jets are a good fucking team. They are good on paper and good on the field. They have played 2 bad games this year. That is it, 2. (the Baltimore game I blame on the coaches 100%. The players put their hearts on that field.)

But that being said, it is laughable to compare Sanchez to Brady at this point. JR was smoking tha duby, lol. Brady certainly didn’t have the talent at receiver for any of his rings that Sanchez has. And RB wasn’t that awesome either.

Sanchez has a lot to prove before you put him in the same galaxy as a Brady or P. Manning.

He is certainly an NFL QB, and should end up with at least one ring, but he isn’t good enough to compare to a HOF’er at this point. The fact it is even mentioned is based purely on buying into some serious hype.

That is like comparing me to Arnold because my arms are just under 18" after two years of training, lol… [/quote]

You forgot the picture, Arnold. :slight_smile: [/quote]

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[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]DJHT wrote:

[quote]countingbeans wrote:
Sanchez has a good O-Line, good running backs & killer receivers. He should be having this success with the squad he is surrounded by. And it is very possible he has a ring at the end of his second season.

The Jets are a good fucking team. They are good on paper and good on the field. They have played 2 bad games this year. That is it, 2. (the Baltimore game I blame on the coaches 100%. The players put their hearts on that field.)

But that being said, it is laughable to compare Sanchez to Brady at this point. JR was smoking tha duby, lol. Brady certainly didn’t have the talent at receiver for any of his rings that Sanchez has. And RB wasn’t that awesome either.

Sanchez has a lot to prove before you put him in the same galaxy as a Brady or P. Manning.

He is certainly an NFL QB, and should end up with at least one ring, but he isn’t good enough to compare to a HOF’er at this point. The fact it is even mentioned is based purely on buying into some serious hype.

That is like comparing me to Arnold because my arms are just under 18" after two years of training, lol… [/quote]

You forgot the picture, Arnold. :slight_smile: [/quote]
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Thanks friend.