Here, post 1401 when I scroll or 1413 when it’s quoted
Islamism is the problem, not Zionism.
Zionists aren’t flying planes into buildings. Murdering cartoonists and writers. Placing fatwahs on anyone who hurts their feelings. Enslaving people, yes they still do this. Stone women. Mutilate female genitalia. Rape as if it’s a past time. Murder homosexuals. Destroy ancient relics and artifacts. Make everywhere they go a shithole. You don’t have to remove your shoes at the airport because of Zionists.
I can see how you honestly interpreted the above as commenting on the propaganda from either side.
If you know much about my posting on T-Nation, you know I try to add information to the discussion based on my experiences. I will say what I did, and might explain what premises (bro-science or my science knowledge) I used to determine my course of action. When I posted the comment #1401, it was based on my experiences dealing with Muslims over the last 4 decades.
During a time I was supervising the instrument and controls and water chemistry group at a power plant, one of my employees was a Muslim, who had left Iran to live in the USA. He even had Mohammad as one of his names. (I should add that he was a valued member of my team. He was capable of electronic component repair, which saved a fair amount of money.) We had numerous conversations about Islam. One of his main defense tactics was to, what seemed to me, muddy the conversation with excessive verbiage and ambiguity.
This misunderstanding is much more on me than you. I should have qualified what compelled me to say, “But isn’t that the old Muslim tactic: intentional ambiguity.” I had felt myself the target of that tactic during the many conversations.
The truth is that I have not commented on any propaganda suggested by any poster on this thread. I cannot make you believe me.
But you have further validated my belief that a Muslim arguing tactic is “excessive verbiage and ambiguity.”
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The Quran states that Allah is the best deceiver. In the Bible, the great deceiver is Satan.
When Muhammad’s soldiers told him they were lusting after female prisoners they were holding hostage, and asked if it would be ok to have sex with them (rape) as long as they pulled out before ejaculating, Muhammad told them they didn’t need to pull out.
Compare that to Jesus saying a married man who simply has lustful thoughts about another woman has committed adultery and that a married couple become one flesh.
Compare Jesus saying love your enemies and that one is forgiven only if he himself forgives, as stated in the Lord’s Prayer, to Muhammad’s personal involvement in the beheading of male prisoners including boys. No love, no forgiveness.
And let’s not forget that Muhammad, in his fifties, married a seven year old girl and consummated the marriage when she turned nine.
And we really wonder why the Islamic world is a place that not even Muslims want to live in.
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Hadith
“حَدَّثَنَا مُوسَى بْنُ إِسْمَاعِيلَ، حَدَّثَنَا حَمَّادٌ، عَنْ سُهَيْلِ بْنِ أَبِي صَالِحٍ، عَنْ أَبِيهِ، عَنْ أَبِي هُرَيْرَةَ، أَنَّ النَّبِيَّ صلى الله عليه وسلم قَالَ " لِكُلِّ ابْنِ آدَمَ حَظُّهُ مِنَ الزِّنَا " . بِهَذِهِ الْقِصَّةِ قَالَ " وَالْيَدَانِ تَزْنِيَانِ فَزِنَاهُمَا الْبَطْشُ وَالرِّجْلاَنِ تَزْنِيَانِ فَزِنَاهُمَا الْمَشْىُ وَالْفَمُ يَزْنِي فَزِنَاهُ الْقُبَلُ " .”
Abu Hurairah reported the Prophet (ﷺ) as saying “ Every child of Adam has his share in adultery. He then narrated the rest of the tradition. This version goes “And the hands commit adultery; their adultery is catching; and the legs commit adultery; their adultery is walking; and the mouth commits adultery – its adultery is kissing.”
Sunan Abi Dawud, 2153
In-Book Reference: Book 12, Hadith 108
English Reference: Book 11, Hadith 2148
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Hadith
حَدَّثَنَا مُحَمَّدُ بْنُ عُبَيْدٍ، حَدَّثَنَا ابْنُ ثَوْرٍ، عَنْ مَعْمَرٍ، أَخْبَرَنَا ابْنُ طَاوُسٍ، عَنْ أَبِيهِ، عَنِ ابْنِ عَبَّاسٍ، قَالَ مَا رَأَيْتُ شَيْئًا أَشْبَهَ بِاللَّمَمِ مِمَّا قَالَ أَبُو هُرَيْرَةَ عَنِ النَّبِيِّ صلى الله عليه وسلم " إِنَّ اللَّهَ كَتَبَ عَلَى ابْنِ آدَمَ حَظَّهُ مِنَ الزِّنَا أَدْرَكَ ذَلِكَ لاَ مَحَالَةَ فَزِنَا الْعَيْنَيْنِ النَّظَرُ وَزِنَا اللِّسَانِ الْمَنْطِقُ وَالنَّفْسُ تَمَنَّى وَتَشْتَهِي وَالْفَرْجُ يُصَدِّقُ ذَلِكَ وَيُكَذِّبُهُ " .
Ibn ‘Abbas said “I did not see anything more resembling to minor sins than what Abu Hurairah reported from the Prophet (ﷺ) who said “Allaah has decreed for the children of Adam a share in adultery, he will get it by all means, the adultery of eyes is looking; the adultery of tongue is speaking; the soul desires and has a passion; the private parts confirms or falsifies it.”
Sahih (Al-Albani)
Sunan Abi Dawud, 2152
In-Book Reference: Book 12, Hadith 107
English Reference: Book 11, Hadith 2147
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حَدَّثَنَا مُحَمَّدُ بْنُ كَثِيرٍ، أَخْبَرَنَا سُفْيَانُ، حَدَّثَنِي يُونُسُ بْنُ عُبَيْدٍ، عَنْ عَمْرِو بْنِ سَعِيدٍ، عَنْ أَبِي زُرْعَةَ، عَنْ جَرِيرٍ، قَالَ سَأَلْتُ رَسُولَ اللَّهِ صلى الله عليه وسلم عَنْ نَظْرَةِ الْفَجْأَةِ فَقَالَ " اصْرِفْ بَصَرَكَ " .
Jarir said I asked the Messenger of Allaah(ﷺ) about an accidental glance (on a woman). He (ﷺ) said “Turn your eyes away.”
Sahih (Al-Albani)
Sunan Abi Dawud, 2148
In-Book Reference: Book 12, Hadith 103
English Reference: Book 11, Hadith 2143
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حَدَّثَنَا إِسْمَاعِيلُ بْنُ مُوسَى الْفَزَارِيُّ، أَخْبَرَنَا شَرِيكٌ، عَنْ أَبِي رَبِيعَةَ الإِيَادِيِّ، عَنِ ابْنِ بُرَيْدَةَ، عَنْ أَبِيهِ، قَالَ قَالَ رَسُولُ اللَّهِ صلى الله عليه وسلم لِعَلِيٍّ " يَا عَلِيُّ لاَ تُتْبِعِ النَّظْرَةَ النَّظْرَةَ فَإِنَّ لَكَ الأُولَى وَلَيْسَتْ لَكَ الآخِرَةُ " .
Narrated Buraydah ibn al-Hasib:
The Prophet (ﷺ) said: to Ali: Do not give a second look, Ali, (because) while you are not to blame for the first, you have no right to the second.
Hasan (Al-Albani)
Sunan Abi Dawud, 2149
In-Book Reference: Book 12, Hadith 104
English Reference: Book 11, Hadith 2144
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I don’t give two shits about what a false prophet, cult leader says. He murdered people, including children, and sanctioned rape and sex slavery.
You can post whatever you want from the Quran or the Hadith, you can only fool those who don’t know the context.
For example, rape. Forced sex with a Muslim woman would be rape but infidels, slaves, prisoners, don’t get the same consideration. Only Muslims get the full protection of Islamic law. Only Muslims have all of the rights given under Islamic law. Go try and trick someone who is ignorant of the faith. Like I said, it’s the religion of peace because peace, to a Muslim, is subjugation. This manifests itself with social status such as slave or dhimmi, i.e., subjugation.
If I’m reading you correctly, you don’t care anything that Muhammad (saw) said, only what he (saw) did
Is that correct?
Source?
Source?
And that is how it should be. Only American citizens have all of the rights given under American law.
Peace and subjugation are not the same thing to me. Governments have subjects, i.e., subjugation
Of course you would believe that. Muslims don’t believe all people are equal in the eyes of God, hence their treatment, when they can get away with it, to treat non Muslims as slaves or second class citizens. Let’s not forget Christians abolished slavery before Muslims did. Just another example of the superiority of Jesus’s message.
Perhaps you believe that non American citizens should be able to vote in American elections, but I doubt it.
For a country to be designated as Muslim without any special status in any way for Muslims within that country sounds suspect. A Muslim country should have Muslim citizens.
I do not believe all people are equal in the eyes of God, but I don’t speak for all Muslims of course
Treating people unjustly is a sin, punishable by God. Some people being better than others doesn’t give anyone the right to mistreat anyone.
Congratulations. It did require a bit of killing also. I am not sure if Jesus(as) approves of the acts. I suspect that for people to have done so in his name (as) is/was displeasing to him(as)
yes, 100%.
Then they should stay in Muslim countries.
Let me guess, the earth is flat too?
because theocracies have worked out so well in the past…
Now that is a profound statement. Hard to find fault with that. And I must say it is concise and clear.
But it begs a few questions:
- Should a Christian country have Muslim citizens?
- Should a Jewish country have Muslim citizens?
- Should a Muslim country have Jewish citizens?
One problem I see coming. What does “should” mean?
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The Quran and Hadith you moron. Muslims don’t even deny this.
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Of course.
And then what will you? Apologize? Admit I’m smarter than you? Go away?
We can only dream…
Well, I am a US citizen. And here goes:
From Exodus chapter 3, verse 3:
ג וַיֹּאמֶר מֹשֶׁה–אָסֻרָה-נָּא וְאֶרְאֶה, אֶת-הַמַּרְאֶה הַגָּדֹל הַזֶּה: מַדּוּעַ, לֹא-יִבְעַר הַסְּנֶה.
Can you give a hint? Or is your life in danger?
You get me going in the right direction and I will find it. But if you are scared, I understand.