The Israel War Thread

[squating_bear]

Looking to what people do and looking to why they do it are not the same thing.

My comment went to when people speak about why incorrectly.

You don’t care. That’s fine - I wasn’t talking to you when I brought that quote in the first place. It was relevant to the context I was speaking in.

They might be the same thing to you and plenty others. It becomes a lie to insist upon repeating that it is the same to them, ignoring evidence to the contrary.

@SkyzykS

Well until they start making more selective bombs & bullets, and checking affiliation befor murdering people, they’re the same fucking thing.

You wouldn’t apply that same standard when Israel murders children, would you?

[OTay]

187 Republicans voted yes, 133 Democrats voted yes

Campuses or any organization subject to the Civil Rights Act.

Complete BS.

This will not stop there.

[cyclonengineer]

I don’t agree with the protesters necessarily, but as long as the protest is peaceful they can protest whatever the hell they want to because of the first amendment.

This also goes to show by the vote split that both sides are more interested in power than rights (which all know already anyway).

Since the entire House gets reelected this year, every yes vote needs to lose their seat (won’t happen but a guy can dream).

[marine77]

Gonna be funny af when these unwashed rejects face true violence

[marine77]

*Freddy Krueger

[marine77]

SHHHHH… let nature take it’s course

[zecarlo]

@squating_bear

Can you give me an example of a human before the time of Muhammad (saw) that implemented more egalitarianism than he (saw) did?

I reject the premise as it would imply he actually did things that could be considered egalitarian. He was a primitive warlord and death cult leader. I give him zero praise.

[SkyzykS]

@squating_bear

You wouldn’t apply that same standard when Israel murders children, would you?

I do, I just can’t do anything about it.

Though, as an astute observer of how the US solves problems, you might have noticed that for folks like Sadam Hussain and quite a few others- we don’t just end them. We end their line completely. No wait 10 years for their kids to come back all pissed off looking to start round 2.

And I agree with that.

[SkyzykS]

@squating_bear

Looking to what people do and looking to why they do it are not the same thing.

I know. I took an ethics/philosophy class as an elective once.

I disagreed with the professor then, and I’m gonna disagree with you now.

I don’t give two shits what someone thinks when their actions are perfectly clear.

[doogie]

@cyclonengineer

I don’t agree with the protesters necessarily, but as long as the protest is peaceful they can protest whatever the hell they want to because of the first amendment.

Even if they are trespassing and have been told to leave by the administration? And you agree they can all be expelled without violating their 1st Amnd. rights?

[zecarlo]

Let’s be honest. If these were Trump supporters protesting or any group that wasn’t associated with a so called marginalized demographic, these universities would kick them out.

These protesting students crying about freedom of speech are the same ones who riot when a conservative speaker shows up on campus.

[OTay]

This is not about protesting, and it will extend beyond places of education. It is crazy how people are trying to defend this. Bibi can compare the students to Nazis (of which many are Jewish) but, the students can’t do the same about another Country?

It would make speech criminal.

“The International Holocaust Remembrance Alliance (referred to in this Act as the IHRA) Working Definition of Antisemitism is a vital tool which helps individuals understand and identify the various manifestations of antisemitism.”

[squating_bear]

@zecarlo

@squating_bear

Can you give me an example of a human before the time of Muhammad (saw) that implemented more egalitarianism than he (saw) did?

I reject the premise as it would imply he actually did things that could be considered egalitarian. He was a primitive warlord and death cult leader. I give him zero praise.

I will take that as a “no” - you are not capable. I am not surprised. Of course Muhammad (saw) did things that could be considered egalitarian.

I wonder if you will answer any of those other questions related to your statement.

@squating_bear

@zecarlo

Palestine is a land that was seized by a racist, anti-human and colonial Muslim project that was founded on the lunacy of a false prophet.

Elaborate on this project please. What do you think made it racist, anti-human and colonial?

Can you give me an example of a human before the time of Muhammad (saw) that implemented more egalitarianism than he (saw) did?

Can you give me an example of a human before the time of Muhammad (saw) that removed racism more than he (saw) did?

[unreal24278]

@RT_Nomad

can now see how a pragmatic Zionist can accept a two state solution as long as Israel is accepted as a state in the land that they can call their own as long as it lies within Palestine.

No

He backs the idea of two separate countries

One being Israel and one being Palestine. I can get him on here to talk if you are interested

He is exceptionally intelligent… studies a double degree of law and global politics with an emphasis on the middle east at one of the best universities within Australia.

And even before university… when he wasn’t studying he was part of debate clubs that specialised in grouping individuals from various ideological factions, communities/methods of upbringing together to promote fierce debate as to showcase both sides of the coin (or in this case all 20 sides of a 20 side dice)

His belief is that there ought to be two independent states, but that Palestine ought to be free from Hamas, the PLO, PLF etc. He doesn’t know how a deradicalisation regieme would be implemented but admits work needs to be done to deradicalise the citizens of the west bank of which over 80% support hamas and whst happened on Oct 7. He says deradicalisation is extremely important for the citizens of gaza and he says punishment for misconduct mediated by citizens who have illegally annexed territory in the west bank to settle on cheap land ought to be swift to set an example that violence, harrassment and property theft will not be tolerated.

He also admits a degree of deradicalisation needs to occcur within SMALL portions of the Israeli community i.e amongst haredi jews (which has nothing to do with Isrsel-Palestine conflict) and certain setttler communities in the west bank

My brother is also in vehemont disagreement with the current status quo of the Israeli knesset

For one example he is disgusted by the Otzma Yehudit party that currently holds six seats in the knesset… parties like this get seats through political corruption/striking deals with politicians to ensure higher up officials get elected.

But Otzma Yehudit is a far right, ultranationalist, jewish supremacist party…

The current knesset has Itamar Ben-Gvir as serving minister of national security since 2022… he is a far right loon who has been criminally charged by the state of Israel for inciting and provoking hate speech towards arabs.

We are also very much against the ‘National Religious Party–Religious Zionism’ party… another bunch of far right religious loons

From my brothers perspective… palestine and gaza Desperately requires deradicalisation alongside secular leaders being put in place by vote (will never happen) or by force i.e act as a western proxy with deradicalisation programs set up in schools that have previously taught ylung people to hate.

Without war, without a ‘martyr fund’ for terrorists families, with proper education and access to healthcsre you could breed a new generstion of moderate palestinians.

Portions of the Israeli knesst and small portions of the Isrseli population also need to be re educated, to work amongst palestinians alike.

And a utopian ideal would be an independent israel working alongside an independent palestine

[jshaving]

Re: college protests

What the Pro-Palestinian Campus Protests Are Really About | Carl R. Trueman

[SkyzykS]

Its showcasing the strength of weaponized stupidity.

[RT_Nomad]

@unreal24278

@RT_Nomad

can now see how a pragmatic Zionist can accept a two state solution as long as Israel is accepted as a state in the land that they can call their own as long as it lies within Palestine.

No

I would say what you said your brother believes easily falls within my classification as “pragmatic” Zionism. And I should have put “pragmatic” in quotations, as it would be my way of distinguishing radical Zionism from a practical form of Zionism that could be accepted by those who feared the Jews wanted the entirety of the land that is known as “Israel”, which would drive out all persons not Jews.

I don’t want to argue about this, if for no other reason than I have no idea how the Muslims define Zionism.

[squating_bear]

@SkyzykS

@squating_bear

You wouldn’t apply that same standard when Israel murders children, would you?

I do, I just can’t do anything about it.

What do you mean? You put words on a screen in regards to actions from Hamas, and you gave a standard.

You agreed that same standard should be applied to actions from Israel, but … you just can’t do anything about it?

Huh?

Something must have got lost in my translation bak to Klingon or something - help me out here.

I would think posting about Hamas or Israel should be about as easy to accomplish as the other.

@SkyzykS

@squating_bear

Looking to what people do and looking to why they do it are not the same thing.

I know. I took an ethics/philosophy class as an elective once.

I disagreed with the professor then, and I’m gonna disagree with you now.

I don’t give two shits what someone thinks when their actions are perfectly clear.

I don’t see the disagreement. I said something. You said you know. Then you said you don’t care.

A distinction is a difference. You acknowledge and then immediately deny - immediately, twice now, why? Because you don’t care. That doesn’t make sense man.

You have inserted yourself into an issue where you allegedly do not belong (not caring would mean you don’t continue posting about it, and definitely not bringing up arguments with other people from your past that aren’t even on here, like an old professor)

[SkyzykS]

@squating_bear

but … you just can’t do anything about it?

I’m not a policy maker or trigger puller. Policy makers can change the direction of money and arms.

Trigger pullers can disobey an order if they find it unlawful.

Actions do. Words say.

Therefore, I can’t Do anything about it.

@squating_bear

A distinction is a difference.

Not always.

I say red tomato. You say cerulian nightshade fruit.

Does that change the composition of the object?

No. Its a distinction without a difference.

Does saying someone is zionist or jewish change the direction of a rocket?

No. Its a distinction without a difference, because the rocket is gonna do what the rocket does.

@squating_bear

You have inserted yourself into an issue where you allegedly do not belong

Blahblahblah. Im not responsible for your thoughts on this matter, and what you believe my words mean vs. what I use them for has no bearing on whether or not I belong in any conversation.

So what we have here is a conflict of opinion between my utilitarian pragmatism, and your what ever this stuff is.

[squating_bear]

@SkyzykS

@squating_bear

but … you just can’t do anything about it?

I’m not a policy maker or trigger puller. Policy makers can change the direction of money and arms.

Trigger pullers can disobey an order if they find it unlawful.

Actions do. Words say.

Therefore, I can’t Do anything about it.

People do. People say. I would still think posting about Hamas or Israel should be about as easy to accomplish as the other. However, “fair enough”.

@SkyzykS

Does saying someone is zionist or jewish change the direction of a rocket?

No. Its a distinction without a difference, because the rocket is gonna do what the rocket does.

It can, because there are people involved.

@SkyzykS

@squating_bear

You have inserted yourself into an issue where you allegedly do not belong

Blahblahblah. Im not responsible for your thoughts on this matter, and what you believe my words mean vs. what I use them for has no bearing on whether or not I belong in any conversation.

Right back at you. Please remember your saying this to me.

Thanks for the attempted clarification.