The Israel War Thread

You don’t know why you love having sex with goats either?

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You sound like a goat rapist apologist.

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I use this beautiful creature as a metaphor for life:

Because as beautiful and fleeting as it may be, even it thinks you’re an asshole.

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Oh yeah, this one too.

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C’mon man! When have the Zionists lied. Mass rape by Hamas, debunked. 40 beheaded babies, courtesy of Hamas-debunked. And on and on.

Yet the truth of constant attacks by both sides going back over a thousand years remains…

The two groups have always been enemies.

Either way, the US should not be funding it.

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The Bible agrees:

Genesis 16:10, "And the angel of the Lord said unto her, I will multiply thy seed exceedingly, that it shall not be numbered for multitude.
11 And the angel of the Lord said unto her, Behold, thou art with child and shalt bear a son, and shalt call his name Ishmael; because the Lord hath heard thy affliction.
12 And he will be a wild man; his hand will be against every man, and every man’s hand against him; and he shall dwell in the presence of all his brethren."

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The goats don’t agree.

Actually you need to re-check your sources. This was found to be the product of Palestinian gunmen. Most likely Hamas or Palestinian Islamic Jihad

Same with how PIJ rocket-fire blew up Gazan hospitals and Hamas quickly came out to excoriate the IDF for the conduct that they (and their factions) were directly responisble for.

One can find videos of Hamas militants beating up Palestinian civilians lining up at foot trucks to steal humanitarian aid aimed towards Gazan civilians. Yet the fact westerners still side with Hamas is mind boggling

It comes down to this assinine ideology that Palestinians are brown and oppressed and therefore deserved of victimhood status despite sharing none of the values liberal westerner’s harbour.

On the far right support comes from a similar asinine view that the worlds problems can be explained through the lens of race and gender. Therefore X (jewish/whatever) people are a certain way because they are Jewish thus they are guilty of war crimes because tiny minorities of sneaky jews have been known to be involved in porn, communism, vice, war etc. This doesn’t take into account how jews were historically persecuted and pushed into little boxes where certain ideologies or jobs promised them a lack of persecution so long as they followed suit.

The ones that make me the most angry are those who follow up with ‘’ well there must have been a reason as to why they were persecuted so often’'. Just as the druize were persecuted many, many, many times. Because it happened… there must be a good reason… the lack of critical thinking astounds me.

I’ve had people list out examples explicitly taken from neo nazi /hate group websites showcasing Jewish persecution wherein a number of the examples were outright fabricated or didn’t exist, yet these individuals didn’t take the time out of their days to actually fact check the examples… talk about true antisemitism. What about the hundreds of times Catholics were pushed out? The Catholics were arguably bloodier than the jews with the crusades and forced conversion… But the massacres and forced expulsions… Sometimes it was simply “you aren’t one of us”.

I am not exonerating the IDF for isolated acts of brutality. Such is war

But reports such as rapes occurring during hospital raids at the hands of the IDF have been verifiably claimed as false (even Hamas admitting the stories were fabricated). Somehow a terrorist organisation (hamas) has managed to forge a strong media PR in favour of them as the ‘underdogs’. Al Jazeera (pupped media from qatar) frequently props up Hamas for example.

Yet if you look at fact check resources and media bias calculators, the times of Israel and J-post frequently come up as some of the most reliable, unbiased sources. Yet they are excoriated for being “jewish sources”… tell me that is not veiled antisemitism.

Which side has a track record of lying over and over and over and over again?

This could be the devastating proof that Hamas is faking its death figures (telegraph.co.uk)

Expert Claims Hamas’s Gaza Death Toll Exaggerated Or Faked - I24NEWS

I believe the civilian casualty toll is within the tens of thousands. Such is war (although this parallels to death tolls within other wars perpetuated by the USA, the middle east etc and no one so much as wagged a finger)

But expecting the Gazan ministry of heath (a part of Hamas) to tell the truth… what a joke…

Send me an email and I’ll send you some footage. If you’ve seen the ISIS propaganda videos the hamas footage won’t seem so bad. If you’ve never seen anything of the sort it’ll stick with you for a while.

You can be critical of Israel just as you can be critical of any country so long as that criticism is level and fact checked. I hate the Netanyahu administration and think the man is detrimental to peace between Israel and Palestine ever eventuating. On the other hand I believe Hamas is an evil that needs to be purged from this earth.

Calling out any criticism of Israel and the Netanyahu administration and shouting "antisemitism
fails to take into account and shuts down any legitimate grievances Palestinians may have and detracts from real antisemitism. Yes… they have dug their own graves. But children whether indoctrinated with books like mien Kampf or not don’t deserve to be starved or displaced from their homes. They deserved to be freed from the shackles of their Islamic fundamentalist governments (that their parents have willingly voted in)

It is when people start excoriating Israel for conduct many other countries have been guilty of (and far worse over) yet one only harps on and on about Israel that I have to question the motives.

In the past I thought pro palestine and pro hamas were separate entitites. In the past I thought pro palestine (minus BDS) and anti jew were separate entities. After witnessing people at protests chant “gas the jews” and “push them out into the sea” I was proven wrong.

I am not a nationalist. I am not a zionist… but I am rabidly against racist ideology. I say this as someone who was previously open to being friendly with people who harboured such ideology as I had it in good faith that serious radicalisation, even a degree of radicalisation that should ultimately have someone put up on a watch list didn’t necessarily make someone a bad person. I have since shifted my opinion.

I don’t think racism has a place in this world. This includes far left CRT/racism and far right racism. It fuels hate, it fuels war. There is a surprising amount of overlap between Islamic extremist ideology and alt right and left ideology even though the alt right generally hates and distances itself from radical islam. Interestingly far left groups have historically been avid supporters of Palestinian terrorism.

To quote my brother “these morons view everything through the lens of race and gender, albeit on different levels. Do they not realise this is how the nazis justified their world views?”

Don’t get me started on the resurgence of holocaust denial/historical revisionism… “the tens of thousands of testimonies were all fabricated”

like SHUT THE FUCK UP! I’ve met holocaust survivors who had the job of shovelling bodies into pits… I have tried reasoning with multiple holocaust deniers. When approached with facts that undeniably deconstruct the revisionist narrative I’m typically met with a lazy excuse or a deflection. I give credit to one SINGLE individual out of five whose mind was changed upon reflection. But the delusions others seem to harbour… it actually pisses me off nowadays. This doesn’t equate to the other party winning. It simply means I refuse to engage in discourse with someone so far removed from reality as it is not worth my time with all the shit that I otherwise have going on in my life.

I will finish this off by stating. Israel cares about the lives of its own citizens above all else. Recently a deal was brokered to Hamas where Israel offered to release over 1000 Palestinian prisoners including those serving life for rape, murder, terrorism etc in exchange for 40 hostages. Hamas refused… as the hostages still in Gaza are likely either dead or they’ve been exposed to such brutality Hamas would never want them to be let out less the world were to find a number of amputees and impregnated. teenagers.

‘He Kept Punching Me…’: First Israeli Hostage Opens Up About Sexual Assault In Hamas Captivity - News18

I might get my brother involved in this thread. He has studied this conflict his entire life… It’s literally his life’s work.

Fuck I hope this isn’t a violation of terms on this website

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What are we looking at here?

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Aluah Akhubar… Why is she bleeding from her rectum?

False claim Israeli media probe found no babies beheaded | Fact check (usatoday.com)

"It reported the decapitated bodies of babies had been found following the Oct. 7 Hamas attack. An international group of forensic pathologists also have confirmed babies were found decapitated, though it’s unclear if that happened before or after death. "

Amy Spiro on X: “The IDF just screened 43 minutes of horrors from the Hamas massacre on October 7 for foreign journalists. I was not there, my colleague @cjkeller8 was. Here is the one minute of footage approved for mass publication at this point, barring most of it out of respect for the dead. https://t.co/UDmQSrkYBL” / X (twitter.com)

How bad can I make these posts before I get banned? I am willing to die on this hill. No country on the face of this earth would accept what Hamas did on Oct 7

9/11 happened and the US spent trillions on a war on terror that killed hundreds of thousands of civilians

If this is fine… I’ll go to telegram for the more heinous footage and start posting it.

It makes me beyond angry that anyone would deny what obviously happened. Probably because I have family over there of whom was directly affected. It imparts a primal sense of anger within me as to how westerners (esp on college campuses) prop up hamas as the underdogs.

This is the decline of the western world if we are to fund and support islamic terrorism. Fucking kids are too young to remember 9/11

and anyone who thinks 9/11 was a proxy set up by Israel… That is either neo nazi ideology or alt left/right/Islamic fundamentalist ideology. There is no in-between for such ridiculousness

This is a novel concept. I wonder if the USA might consider this. Or maybe just move in that direction?

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No

Israel is surrounded my a landmass the size of the United States that is hostile towards it

The United States doesn’t have the same incentive to promote the “America first” ideology beyond the ideals of American nationalists and those who vehemontly oppose immigration and therefore wish to strip rights from legal immigrants with the fallacious idea that this would somehow serve as the remedy to Americas economic woes

And keep in mind the entire western world, including countries that have clamped right down on immigration are experiencing the same cost of living crisis (many to a far worse extent than the USA).

If Mexican cartels, one or more states of Canada and the honduras began lobbying dozens to hundreds of missiles over the border on a daily basis and on top of that they waged suicide bombing campaigns, mass shootings and stabbings etc it’d make more sense.

Much of Americas conflict and turmoil comes from Americans aimed towards other Americans.

Alt right/far right domestic terrorism is a growing problem which (shocker) overlaps with ideology from radical islam. Disorganised far left millitias have taken over entire cities… but this is America on America.

Gang related violence (black on black, mexican on Mexican etc) is a huge issue in the states although interestingly statistics genererally report a downward trajectory regarding the frequency and severity of the violence. You are far less likely to get away with a murder now relative to 30-40 years ago. The media sure does report on it far more often than it used to though hence many have fallen victim to the narrative “America is a dystopian hellhole bordering on purge level territory”.

America may not be the BEST country… but for a country harbouring hundreds of millions of inhabitants it ranks up there as one of the best places you could live barring certain third world esque cities that have succumbed to urban decay, lack of educational institutions, gang warfare etc.

Israel may be politically divided. But in times of conflict it’s citizens (including the druize, arab Israelis and christisn Israelis) unite and serve as one.

Israel has strict licensing regiemes when it comes to firearms. But in the recent spate of suicide bombings, attempting massacres with firearms and knives (always been an issue… but getting really, really bad) Israel is looking at loosening waiting times and allowing more applications to go through… as they should

Recently an off duty soldier prevented a massacre at a bus stop in Jerusalem when a palestinian gunman opened fire. Could have been 30+ dead had the soldier not been armed.

Last time I was in Israel a shooting popped off not even 400 metres away from where I was standing. Was it the iDf shooting? No… it was a palestinian terrorist. One of the terrorist the west incessantly rallies behind.

He was a brave, noble martyr who gave up his life in the pursuit of murdering random men, women and children for what? There was no war going on… this was during the supposedly holy month of ramadan

And when I was there this was a repeated occurance… happened multiple times per week in the one city I was staying in.

Peolle frantically closing up shop because someone would be running around with a gun, a knife and the unknown would be “how many of them are present”.

And I’d ask “are you scared” to which I’d get a response like “this is life here”.

The cities like Tel Aviv aren’t particuarly big. Imagine if American cities had to deal with multiple school shootings every single day perpetuated by illegal immigrants… how would Americans retaliate?

And now the world is pressuring Isael to negotiate with terrorists… commit to a ceasefire or end the war without return of hostages that have been subject to savage abuse.

No country on the face of this earth should be forced to reason with terrorists. Imagine if the USA under internstional pressure simply wagged a finger at Al Quaeda post 9/11 “don’t do it again” all the while Al Quaeda promised to do it again and again until the USA ceased to exist

As this is literally what Hamas has promised to do. Hamas doesn’t care about civillians as they have openely stated on air that they do not care about the safety of theor civillians going as far as to say they’d kill anyone who left gaza and returned after the war as the civillians are supposed to be martyrs to the cause.

There are videos of Hamas stealing humanitarian aid or hijacking vehicles aimed at providing aid towards civillians. This is a famine/genocide largely perpetuated by hamas

As to homes being destroyed… who wants to see a video of Gazan civillians using their homes to launch RPG’s and shoot at Israeli soldiers?

Actually who wants to see videos of innocent civillians cheering on as mutilated yet still alive soldiers and israeli civillians are brought back into Gaza

I have these videos saved on my phone. I’m willing to die on this hill. As disturbing as some of these videos are it appears as if we have a number of conspiracy theorists who deny the existance of such conduct.

Here’s footage from an innocent gazan household

I have some really, really disturbing footage saved on my phone from when the war broke out. Obviously I can’t share the worst of it

But I reckon I can bend the rules and show some graphic footage to prove a point to those who say the footage doesn’t exist/gazan civillians were innocent in all of this etc.

I also want to point out Israel is a western, capitolistic country with free speech like the USA… Israel has anti Israel media outlets subsiding within Israel. The alt right and
far left loons who believe israel is some apartheid ethnostate need to educate themselves

“But the UN says Israel might be doing XYZ”

The UN is a joke of an organisation that has appointed Saudi Arabia as leader of a womans rights movement

I’m going to give you some advice. There are two, maybe three, posters who are trolls that are pushing the antisemitic agenda. Don’t get worked up responding to them; it’s a waste of time and only gives them the attention they seek. And if they truly believe what they post, and there are people out there who do believe it, well, you can’t fix stupid.

There are others who aren’t open about it who harbour worse opinions… like the most abhorrent conspiracy laden antisemitic bullshit you could imagine coupled with the delusion that everyone else is ‘brainwashed’. Reads out like an alt right manifesto

I would NEVER ever give up names under any circumstance as I believe in the right to privacy so long as no targeted attempts to harm or indoctrinate others on a mass scale are present. Ever since Oct 7 it makes my blood boil and I consider such individuals to be enemies to my family and friends over in Israel and therefore by extension an enemy of myself

Oct 7 transformed me from an individual willing to overlook and accept radical ideology to someone who doens’t want an echo chamber… but I want nothing to do with the lack of critical thinking that comes with holocaust denial, “IDF helicopters attacked those at supernova” level conspirational bullshit.

Those who STILL believe the IDF were responsible for the blasts on Gazan hospitals despite videographic evidence existing of PIJ rocket fire blowing up said hospitals need to have their heads checked.

Seriously asking… not to shut you down. Are you a white supremacist, a neo nazi or merely a western college student who hates the west so much they’d rather Hamas and/or an Iranian proxy be in power.

9/11, Five Years Later the Lie That Just Won’t Seem to Die: the Jews Were Behind 9/11 Attacks - Jewish Telegraphic Agency (jta.org)

You seem to have a problem with jews… why? Don’t tell me you don’t have an issue with jews. You discredit any source that has the word “jew” in it. You believe jews caused 9/11… you excoriate Israel at any chance you get yet say nothing of the mass exodus occurring in countries like Yemen or the legitimate genocides of Rohingyas Muslims, the Nuer in south Sudan, Christians and Yazidis in Iraq/Syria, the genocide of Christians and Muslims in Central African Republic, the genocide of Uyghur Muslims in China

no… you only seem to care about Israel… a country that is committing what would be considered the worlds least effective genocide… because Israel isn’t commiting genocide. Though Hamas has genocide explicitly mentioned in their charter and have stated they will repeat October 7th until Israel is annihilated. They’ve bit off more than they can chew. Fuck Hamas and Fuck anybody who supports Hamas. For westerners who support Hamas… go back to Iraq, Afghanistan, The west bank or gaza. There is no need for this internalised division from within the west when existential threats like Hamas exist. Israel first on the chopping block followed by the united states and the rest of the western world

How many times have you been to Israel, the west bank or Gaza? I’ve been exposed to violence in Israel. Care to guess who the perpetuators were?

Hell I was almost beaten up for being Jewish (and nothing else) just the other week in AUSTRALIA… The cops were called and everything

Keep in mind I’m a young adult with a connective tissue disease. I’ve had my hips replaced at the age of 23 merely 3 weeks ago… and some brave pro Palestinian Islamists thought beating me to a pulp (despite me being on crutches) was the noble course of action… all because my brother was wearing a Kippur at a bowling alley.

I had nothing to do with it because I’m not a religious man… but affiliation with a religious jew is apparently grounds for having my head stomped in.

I wouldn’t hurt a fly… even when I was heavily involved in combat sports I was avidly against street fighting. ‘your side’ seem to be all for submission through force.

In the past I’d have been interested in debating. Now I have no interest in talking to people who harbour such disdain for my ethnic group. I can get my brother involved if you are interested as he will happily debate just about anyone in relation to these issues.

It’s so easy, you haven’t done it. I guess it would take time away from goat rape.

I have quite a bit of interest in the devolution of the English language. But my sole references are America’s dictionaries. I have an 1828 Noah Webster Dictionary reproduction and an authentic 1850 Noah Webster Dictionary.

The word “semite” (and antisemitic) does not exist in the 1828 dictionary.

The 1850 dictionary has “semite” but refers to “shemite” (no antisemitic exists in that dictionary.)

Merriam-Webster
Semite
1. a : a member of any of a number of peoples of ancient southwestern Asia including the Akkadians, Phoenicians, Hebrews, and Arabs
b : a descendant of these peoples

Anti-Semitic
: relating to or characterized by anti-Semitism : feeling or showing hostility toward or discrimination against Jews as a cultural, racial, or ethnic group.

Why is it that many Semites are not included in reference to anti-Semitic behavior?

Semites (Shemites) include more than just Jews. Shem was one of the sons of Noah.

So, every time I hear “anti-Semitic” I wonder why it is confined to pertain to solely the Jews and not all the descendants of Shem.

The term antisemitism comes from German, not English, hence why you won’t find it in an English dictionary from that time.

The root of my problem doesn’t come from its absence from an early American dictionary, it comes from the root word, Semite.

Semite (n.)

847, “a Jew, Arab, Assyrian, or Aramaean” (an apparently isolated use from 1797 refers to the Semitic language group), back-formation from Semitic or else from French Sémite (1845), from Modern Latin Semita, from Late Latin Sem, Greek Sēm “Shem,” one of the three sons of Noah (Genesis x.21-30), regarded as the ancestor of the Semites in Bible-based anthropology, from Hebrew Shem. In this modern sense it is said to have been introduced by German historian August Schlözer in 1781.

The etymology of the word never suggest that it is Jew specific.

My problem is that the notion that the addition of “anti-” limits its meaning to the Jews is a real problem with me. It has the ring to it, that the word is stolen and used for a different meaning.