[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
[quote]Schwarzfahrer wrote:
All utopias, anecdotes, wishful thinking aside:
At the end of the day, any mass schooling system = baby sitting.
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Public schools were invented in Germany to mold die Kindern into good little Deutscher und Deutscherin.[/quote]
That was our public system too before it screwed up (I’m guessing that means a good citizen). But then it became about ‘realizing the student’s potential’ which is ambiguous and vague. There’s this attitude that everyone has to go to college so they find ways to dumb down education to get the numbers up to make it look like they’re doing that and it’s infiltrating into the higher education system too. 1/3 of Americans hold a degree! I have a hard time believing that there are that many Americans smart enough and talented enough to have a meaningful degree.
Basically, an ‘educational inflation’.
Lifty:
basically, you’re right (it’s Deutscher und Deutsche btw)
[i]but[/i]
you could say that about nearly all big human advancements.
Those done with some just ideal often yielded only terror and bloodshed while, for example, war has given us knowhow of all sorts of things.
It’s probably a good thing to school children, but yeah, the main reason it became a cultural no brainer is its systemic force.
Without a cultural identity= no levee en masse.
Without that, no empire.
Today, everybody finds it absurd not to send children to school, and justifies it with “learning”.
However, you hardly learn anything in school.
One might say, apart from basic knowledge (maybe 6 years), school actually hinders most citizens from aquiring skills and critical thinking.
[quote]ZEB wrote:
Teaching is difficult because the liberals have won the social war. Sex with anyone you’d like out of wedlock is perfectly okay now. That means we have kids who grow up without a mother and a father present. And that means that we have more kids in school who don’t pay attention, cause trouble and in short make life more difficult for the teachers. And the irony is that the teachers unions have backed liberals for the past 40 years. So in a way they are getting what they deserve.
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Question-
Before the social war was won or maybe before it even started(?)
When was this golden age where people didn’t fornicate like crazy?
It is my belief that apart from superactive overachievers, the average dude has less pussy then, for instance, in medieval times.
[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
“Teaching = highly paid baby sitter.” - Fellow substitute teacher. [/quote]
Highly paid? What high, middle, or elementary public school teachers do you know who are “highly paid”? I know a few, they make enough to live, yes, but I most definitely wouldn’t consider them highly paid.
But seriously, the root of the problem is the lack of parents actually parenting their children. Then having no accountability for this and blaming teachers (and everyone else) for their horrible kids. While teaching their kids to be entitled and blame everyone else for their problems in the process.
[quote]kneedragger79 wrote:
Are you trying to say that I lack humor?!? Boy, that be some fighting words! Next time I see you near Knox Rd I will teach you how serious I am. Watch out for a 6’ 7" gimp coming to give you the beat down ; )
[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
[quote]kneedragger79 wrote:
The best part, that came from someone who doesn’t even have to have a college degree jaa jaa
And I would be nice BC, we know which church you attend. You are easy to pick out of the congregation! :o ]
[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
“Teaching = highly paid baby sitter.” - Fellow substitute teacher. [/quote]
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Boy ya’ll lack some humor. FYI, lady is finishing up her doctorate this summer.
Further, I’ve never imagined that I should be nice.[/quote]
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Come at me, bro.
[quote]TDub301 wrote:
[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
“Teaching = highly paid baby sitter.” - Fellow substitute teacher. [/quote]
Highly paid? What high, middle, or elementary public school teachers do you know who are “highly paid”? I know a few, they make enough to live, yes, but I most definitely wouldn’t consider them highly paid.
But seriously, the root of the problem is the lack of parents actually parenting their children. Then having no accountability for this and blaming teachers (and everyone else) for their horrible kids. While teaching their kids to be entitled and blame everyone else for their problems in the process.[/quote]
I see you met a few highly paid baby sitters in your time. 
Read what I wrote again. Did I say a highly paid teacher?
Even good teachers basically have the substitutes babysit. If you’re unexpectedly too sick to teach and are better off resting and healing, it’s too difficult to give a proper briefing of what to do for the sub to teach the class. Even when my best teachers had a day off, the substitute would pop in a movie related the subject, students would write down notes of the movie, and the teacher would give a quiz when he/she’s back.
[quote]Schwarzfahrer wrote:
Lifty:
basically, you’re right (it’s Deutscher und Deutsche btw)
[i]but[/i]
you could say that about nearly all big human advancements.
Those done with some just ideal often yielded only terror and bloodshed while, for example, war has given us knowhow of all sorts of things.
It’s probably a good thing to school children, but yeah, the main reason it became a cultural no brainer is its systemic force.
Without a cultural identity= no levee en masse.
Without that, no empire.
Today, everybody finds it absurd not to send children to school, and justifies it with “learning”.
However, you hardly learn anything in school.
One might say, apart from basic knowledge (maybe 6 years), school actually hinders most citizens from aquiring skills and critical thinking.
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I took artistic license with your language for consonance’s sake. 
I agree with you.
The fundamental skills can probably be taught at home within the first 6 - 10 years of one’s life in less than 2 - 4 hours of study per day (and the interwebz makes this possible to an even greater degree).
[quote]TDub301 wrote:
[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
“Teaching = highly paid baby sitter.” - Fellow substitute teacher. [/quote]
Highly paid? What high, middle, or elementary public school teachers do you know who are “highly paid”? I know a few, they make enough to live, yes, but I most definitely wouldn’t consider them highly paid.
But seriously, the root of the problem is the lack of parents actually parenting their children. Then having no accountability for this and blaming teachers (and everyone else) for their horrible kids. While teaching their kids to be entitled and blame everyone else for their problems in the process.[/quote]
Actual babysitters to not get paid as much as teachers do so yes that was an accurate declaration.
Highly paid babysitters, indeed.
Alright BRO, I will see you at CC, next Saturday around four pm. I should probably do this before my next confession. I need to go soon anyway, might as well add something else to the list.
; )
[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
[quote]kneedragger79 wrote:
Are you trying to say that I lack humor?!? Boy, that be some fighting words! Next time I see you near Knox Rd I will teach you how serious I am. Watch out for a 6’ 7" gimp coming to give you the beat down ; )
[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
[quote]kneedragger79 wrote:
The best part, that came from someone who doesn’t even have to have a college degree jaa jaa
And I would be nice BC, we know which church you attend. You are easy to pick out of the congregation! :o ]
[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
“Teaching = highly paid baby sitter.” - Fellow substitute teacher. [/quote]
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Boy ya’ll lack some humor. FYI, lady is finishing up her doctorate this summer.
Further, I’ve never imagined that I should be nice.[/quote]
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Come at me, bro.[/quote]
[quote]kneedragger79 wrote:
Alright BRO, I will see you at CC, next Saturday around four pm. I should probably do this before my next confession. I need to go soon anyway, might as well add something else to the list.
; )
[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
[quote]kneedragger79 wrote:
Are you trying to say that I lack humor?!? Boy, that be some fighting words! Next time I see you near Knox Rd I will teach you how serious I am. Watch out for a 6’ 7" gimp coming to give you the beat down ; )
[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
[quote]kneedragger79 wrote:
The best part, that came from someone who doesn’t even have to have a college degree jaa jaa
And I would be nice BC, we know which church you attend. You are easy to pick out of the congregation! :o ]
[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
“Teaching = highly paid baby sitter.” - Fellow substitute teacher. [/quote]
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Boy ya’ll lack some humor. FYI, lady is finishing up her doctorate this summer.
Further, I’ve never imagined that I should be nice.[/quote]
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Come at me, bro.[/quote]
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I have no clue what CC is.
[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
I have no clue what CC is.[/quote]
I think they sell pizza.
[quote]The Mage wrote:
[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
I have no clue what CC is.[/quote]
I think they sell pizza.[/quote]
Nasty place. Gave me food poisoning for a week.
As someone said, being a teacher is not just limited to the profession. It takes a community to educate a child. This is parents, family, coaches, organizations…etc.
Just like any other occupation there are good, mediocre, and bad workers in teaching. Unions are a whole different debate, just as the education system is when compared to teachers. Thats like talking about foreign policy when it comes to the merits of individual soldiers.
Its a tough profession, and in need of constant evolution to better methods and practices.
The very same disparaging attitude that “oh, anyone can be a teacher” and “oh…teachers make waaaaaaaay to much” is alarming to say the least, and to me, downright fucking disgusting. That sort of denigration of education means that people think it is above the best and brightest to consider that as a career. It should be respected and compensated well so that some of the best individuals are brought in to educate the future of our country. Teach for America and the like are a good example.
[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
[quote]TDub301 wrote:
[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
“Teaching = highly paid baby sitter.” - Fellow substitute teacher. [/quote]
Highly paid? What high, middle, or elementary public school teachers do you know who are “highly paid”? I know a few, they make enough to live, yes, but I most definitely wouldn’t consider them highly paid.
But seriously, the root of the problem is the lack of parents actually parenting their children. Then having no accountability for this and blaming teachers (and everyone else) for their horrible kids. While teaching their kids to be entitled and blame everyone else for their problems in the process.[/quote]
I see you met a few highly paid baby sitters in your time.
Read what I wrote again. Did I say a highly paid teacher?[/quote]
I see your point, my comment about being highly paid was in general. I don’t think either is highly paid. Ya teachers do make more, but some babysitters probably make more than you think.
Hell, if you find a babysitter who is watching 20 or 30 kids (like the size of a classroom of kids that a teacher would be “babysitting”), then you’d probably find one that is paid MORE than a teacher. (and no, I don’t think there are any babysitters that actually watch that many kids by themselves, just speaking hypothetically).
[quote]666Rich wrote:
The very same disparaging attitude that “oh, anyone can be a teacher” and “oh…teachers make waaaaaaaay to much” is alarming to say the least, and to me, downright fucking disgusting. That sort of denigration of education means that people think it is above the best and brightest to consider that as a career. It should be respected and compensated well so that some of the best individuals are brought in to educate the future of our country. Teach for America and the like are a good example.[/quote]
If the teaching profession weren’t so inundated with people seeking a “safe and easy career” made possible by government subsidies for public education I would agree with you.
If there were no such thing as public education we would not even need to have this discussion.
[quote]TDub301 wrote:
[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
[quote]TDub301 wrote:
[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
“Teaching = highly paid baby sitter.” - Fellow substitute teacher. [/quote]
Highly paid? What high, middle, or elementary public school teachers do you know who are “highly paid”? I know a few, they make enough to live, yes, but I most definitely wouldn’t consider them highly paid.
But seriously, the root of the problem is the lack of parents actually parenting their children. Then having no accountability for this and blaming teachers (and everyone else) for their horrible kids. While teaching their kids to be entitled and blame everyone else for their problems in the process.[/quote]
I see you met a few highly paid baby sitters in your time.
Read what I wrote again. Did I say a highly paid teacher?[/quote]
I see your point, my comment about being highly paid was in general. I don’t think either is highly paid. Ya teachers do make more, but some babysitters probably make more than you think.
Hell, if you find a babysitter who is watching 20 or 30 kids (like the size of a classroom of kids that a teacher would be “babysitting”), then you’d probably find one that is paid MORE than a teacher. (and no, I don’t think there are any babysitters that actually watch that many kids by themselves, just speaking hypothetically).[/quote]
Okay.
[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
[quote]666Rich wrote:
The very same disparaging attitude that “oh, anyone can be a teacher” and “oh…teachers make waaaaaaaay to much” is alarming to say the least, and to me, downright fucking disgusting. That sort of denigration of education means that people think it is above the best and brightest to consider that as a career. It should be respected and compensated well so that some of the best individuals are brought in to educate the future of our country. Teach for America and the like are a good example.[/quote]
If the teaching profession weren’t so inundated with people seeking a “safe and easy career” made possible by government subsidies for public education I would agree with you.
If there were no such thing as public education we would not even need to have this discussion.[/quote]
Safe and easy… A lot of qualified people are quitting and pursuing other career paths and avoiding schools because of the problems. There’s also very high turnover now too. Fewer qualified and experienced teachers in combination with high turnover cannot be good. It’s a self-perpetuating problem.
Well, if the original author was even half-right, we wouldn’t need tenure. However, teachers fight tooth and claw to keep tenure around.
People who work extremely hard at their job and produce amazing results don’t need artifical protections that provide nearly impenetrable job security. Rhetoric isn’t matching up with reality.