Yeah… I used to think about this a lot when I was young. I ultimately came to the understanding that I’m only going to be alive for a short period of time and I rather not feel like complete dog shit during that.
I refuse to eat pig, as those animals can be equivalent to a dog in many respects. Same with eating something like a dolphin, or blue whale. I’m not going to eat some majestic creature, fuck that. I have my boundaries.
But a cow? chicken? Sorry, like you said, they’ll live a better life domesticated as long as we all enforce quality of life for those livestock.
The pig is a smart emotional animal, and their living conditions are not ideal.
I still eat pork, but it is the animal I am the most on the fence about.
I could not / would not eat dog. For me it comes down to eating an animal that would likely die to protect it owners, and that separates them from the rest, IMO. A pig as a pet might actually do that as well?
Cows at least get to live a majority of their lives grazing pastures. Only a short period of their lives are spent on the feeding lot. I think there is research showing that the cows seem to enjoy the feed lot (cortisol tests).
Chickens, I have worked with chickens, and they actually might be too stupid to understand much about their surroundings.
the whole ‘plant-based eating’ thing is already really bothersome to me. No one knows what type of bio that individual will have, try plant based eating where most of your calories come from plants and you can immediately start feeling like you have IBS.
this idea that “eat majority of your calories from greens” can work for everyone is nonsense.
Domestic/livestock pigs are anthropomorphised quite a bit, but left to go feral for a generation or two and they’d gore you to death and eat your carcass.
I participate on a Vegan food forum and most of the foods posted are plant based meat substitute versions of meat based junk foods like chicken hot wings, chili dogs, “bacon” wrapped “hot dogs” dipped in “cheese”. Also desserts like vegan chocolate, cakes, fro-yo, pie. Most “morality based” vegans get far worse nutrition because of it.
Also wanted to mention that I have seen “primal” diets called plant based because basically 2/3-3/4 of your plate is covered with plants. “Healthy” starch, greens, fruit, meat for example.
I mean, I eat meat but I’m currently making 2 gallon pot of potato, kale, beet, carrot, onion, garlic, celery, olive oil soup which will make up the BULK of what I eat for the next 3-4 days. I also made 1 gallon of beef soup with skirt steak that I can mix in with it, or I might put in some sour cream.
Funny you brought this up because I was about to mention it. When I tried to go ‘no meat’ I ended up going with these meat substitutes that had a fucking load of sodium added.
Nowadays they have these real meat substitutes out there they grow in a lab… has anyone tried it?
Being the cynical bastard that I am I wanted to smell a rat as soon as I saw Arnie touting the meat free lifestyle and the fact his buddy James Cameron is involved and… Lewis Hamilton.
James Cameron and his wife Suzy Amis Cameron own Verdient Foods investing in a $140 million drive to accelerate the growth of the vegan protein market (pea protein to be precise).
Lewis Hamilton is launching of an international plant-based burger chain he’s calling Neat Burger. To launch his latest venture he is being backed by the plant-based meatless-meat brand Beyond Meat so his patties will contain among other ingredients, pea protein isolate!
When you scratch the surface there is always something more to this than initially meets the eye. This is a big ole advertisement for Jimmy’s pea protein company which his buddy Arnold is helping to push (shame on Arnie really, considering he built his physique on meat n eggs n cough cough steroids…).
This vegan thing is really getting too much. It’s like the new religion for the millennials, that with being offended with just about everything… I understand the animal welfare argument and I understand the environmental impact argument but saying that meat is unhealthy is total bollox! Eating a predominantly whole plant food diet with some animal products like meat, fish, organs, eggs, yogurt etc thrown in is likely the best approach to overall health.
I am a Nourishing Traditions aficionado and I am very lucky to have easy access to sea and farm fresh produce and when you compare these foods to some store bought processed shite it is easy to see why people are getting sick. Here lies the real problem with western diets.
I’ll caveat this and say that I haven’t seen the film yet, but I have written a bit about vegan diets and done various interviews and such about it over the past few years, so I’ll offer up a few thoughts.
I think that we need to eliminate any existing perceptions and biases we have and take an objective look at eating this way. In theory, a vegan diet should promote the consumption of vegetables, fruit, wholegrain cereals, legumes and nuts and seeds (and their products). On paper, this is a basis of any good diet, regardless of whether it contains animal products or not.
I think that the ethical debate and moral standpoint that underpins vegan diets for some leads to a desire to propagate the idea that it’s superior to a non-vegan diet; for others I think that the opposite is true and that there is a growing narrative that vegan diets are harmful and a poor choice that’s underpinned by a different ethical worldview.
As ever, the reality is probably about nuance and context., and that nutrition needn’t be so polarizing An appropriately-designed vegan diet can be nutritious and provide sufficient nutrition to fuel health and athletic performance - a poorly designed one will lead to problems over time, just as is the case with an omnivorous one.
Ive seen the film and thought that even with arnold in it, it seemed like a vegan infomercial. Imho, they could have should some more advocates of it beside the handful of success stories that they tried to spread out.
For myself: I love meat and dont care if its pig, turtle, tiger or crawdad. And I cant even imagine attempting to pack that many veggies in and still get adequate amts of protein. If i have to supplement on top of that with vegan ‘products’ that have a laundry list of chemicals, then no thanks. I dont think very highly of the whole test tube meat lab shit so far though either.
Its was all a nice idea wrapped in a neat package, but did nothing to change my mind on anything.
since everyone was talking about this I tried to watch it… was going to turn it off right at the beginning when they were talking about Connor vs Diaz, I held on, but then the 1 peanut butter sandwich has as much protein as a steak
just… no. what a fucking crock of a movie. fucking hell Netflix ends Bojack but pays money to put this shit out?
What do you think about the Netflix documentary that promotes plant based nutrition for better athletic performance and muscular development? I have been eating %80 plant based for almost 5 years so it didnt effect me too much.
Dude I almost watched that last night. I stopped because I figured it would just be more information jay would cloud my judgment and make me over analyze.
You can eat my dog then. I had a someone coming to my house to look at the electricals a few years ago. I thought I would be occupied when he said he would arrive, so I unlocked the door and texted him to come straight in.
Well, he was late and I finished early so I was in the kitchen. Our brave guardian of the house heard and saw this guy come in and bolted past me and out of the house to hide under the decking outside lol
We were having a family get together around a grill one year. My sister was vegan at the time. She of course took this opportunity to tell us all our meat will kill us after a long, suffering stint with cancer (some vegans can be lovely) and instead we should have her vegan food.
She then opened up a pack of vegan sausages. One of the sausage slips and literally bounces across the grill and falls on the ground.
My cousin, who was cooking, says “thanks but I don’t eat food that bounces”