[quote]vroom wrote:
Zeb,
You are so full of shit your eyes are brown.
Well…good at least you are not at the point where you are insulting me personally because you are frustrated…oops guess you are…sorry 
I guess the biggest mischaracterization in your post is that I am afraid of being termed a liberal. I don’t mind being termed a liberal, but I’m not an ultra-liberal. Are you a neoconservative? Are you a religious fundamentalist? Or, are you simply a conservative? There is a big difference, you sneaky bugger and you know it.
For someone “who is not afraid of being termed a liberal” you sure do a lot of denying of the fact that you are a liberal. Yes…an extreme one at that!
By the way, you really need to figure out how the quoting thing works one of these days.
Yes, or I could go on making you read it in this manner
One of the more interesting points was your interpretation of my statement concerning religious fundamentalism. Umm, do you think it might just be directed towards Islamofascists? Your interpretation of me is very slanted by your own beliefs, but that doesn’t mean you are characterizing me correctly.
It also doesn’t mean I am characterizing you incorrectly.
As for your media and politicians, they are bashing each other, but none of them will ever dare say anything that could be construed as critical of the blessed US. You miss my point completely. The politicians and the media are very busy telling you what you want to hear about your country, any so called criticism is very sugared down and circumspect. I don’t think you will ever see this point, but it has nothing to do with nitpicking back and forth between two political ideologies or representative candidates.
I can get more detailed if you still have no concept of what I’m talking about here.
Duh…we conservatives just can’t figure out what the heck you blue staters are saying…I think we are stupid…Haha. Oh wait…we just beat the pants off of your “intelligent” candidate. Guess we are smarter than you thought.
Seriously, you have to ask yourself why you feel it is your part time job to constantly criticize the US.
Anyhow, my take is you don’t like to hear the things I am saying. You don’t agree with my viewpoint. You’ve formed an opinion of me and it doesn’t matter what I say, you’ve already made your mind up. However, I don’t know why you seem to take everything so personally. It’s like a criticism of the president or the administrations policies is a direct personal attack on you.
Okay…you found me out! I am in fact President Bush! Seriously, I simply point out the fact that you are an extreme liberal who attacks the US whenever you get the chance. I don’t take that personally, but I will call you on it, as I have stated.
This is where I was coming from when I said “my opinion is not me”. Of course, you missed the concept completely. The idea was for you to say this to yourself, so that when I disagree with your opinion, you realize that it is not a personal attack on you, just your opinion. You miss a lot of little things like that. You take this very personally and you get very mean towards people you see as very liberal or very in disagreement with your own viewpoint.
Actually, I understood the phrase, but chose to make a joke of it as it seemed more important than to play your game. I am not at all “mean toward you.” I simply point out what your liberal anti-American rhetoric and if feels “mean” to you.
You know what, I see your attempt to characterize me as anti-American or an America hater as an attempt to “rally the troops” and get people against my viewpoint. If you want to make accusations, then go out and dig up some evidence.
Wrong again! I have never needed anyones help to speak my mind. The fact that others agree with me (and they do) is fine. I call them as I see them. You are an extreme liberal. See, I just did it again
As for anonymity, I have a picture up, I have my location up. It’s more than can be said for you. Yes, I’m still fairly anonymous, I know that. I also know full well I will face criticism when I post my comments. I spend time trying to word them correctly, so that I don’t inadvertently cross lines that I don’t intend to. I may still do so from time to time, and if you can point those occasions out to me, I will apologize.
I think you have “crossed the line” on many occasions. As I have stated in a previous post if I had the time and desire I would go back, look them up and point them out to you. I may at some point anyway as this may enlighten you as to how you are perceived by many.
However, no matter how much you cry and whine and mischaracterize me, I will not stop posting my opinion and my criticism of issues as I see them. You go ahead and do the same. I’d prefer if you did so without the personal attacks, but of course, that part is up to you. If that’s all you’ve got, then continue to go with it.
Personal attacks? Like the sort you began your post with? All I have done is call you an extreme liberal, and you are. I am not “whining” about anything, that would be you your hearing. Nor am I mischaracterizing you. I am simply not allowing you to spill your extreme liberal propaganda, and to berate the US without being challenged.
Finally, and very importantly, though you missed it, as usual, I am not against national pride. However, expression of national pride does not require hatred of the French. You can have national pride for every single good thing the US has ever done, and the list is very long.
I never stated anywhere that we should hate the French and you know it. Now I would like you to name “every single good thing the US has ever done.” Okay, how about you start out with just three good things that the Bush administration has done. You pride yourself on seeing both sides of an issue so give it a try.
Did you notice that? That was a very positive comment. From time to time one of those sneaks in, but I don’t think you count them at all because it is nestled within a critical post.
I know you are a very negative person, you don’t have to convince me.
This does not mean you should have disdain for everyone else. Having pride is an expression of internal satisfacation, not external dissatisfaction.
Actually, it can be shown by both! When the Japanese bombed Pearl Harbor I am sure there was plenty of external dissatisfaction with Japan, which fueld national pride.
Maybe you cannot see the difference, but don’t mischaracterize me as being against Americans having pride in their own country and the actions of their own ancestors. That is just plain wrong. Pride is something you take, but honor and respect is something that is given to you.
Call it what you will, when you post that my generation and the generation that came after me have no reason to have national pride because of what our Fathers and Grandfathers did, you are wrong! I would also suggest that most Americans would agree with me. Naturally, you don’t understand that having the political bent that you do.
I have great pride in Canada and the things that we have achieved, but I don’t have disdain for others because of that.
If the French are not giving you the honor and respect that you think you deserve, then tough luck. It is churlish to spurn them because they no longer consider you their heros, because they will not meekly accept your direction concerning world affairs.
Wrong, it is shortsighted for them to spurn us. The leaders of France are not thinking of the long term consequences of such actions.
Yes, I’m telling you, suck it up buttercup. Grow up. They don’t have to kiss your ass forever. You can take pride forever, but you can’t force others to respect and honor you or your country when they weren’t even alive to appreciate the actions in question. As I said before, they may choose to continue to bestow it, but that is their choice. Obviously, they’ll instead judge you by what they see as your more recent actions.
“Suck it up butter cup?” Haha. (you mightbe spending to much time on the forum). Well…I am not going to hop a plane and fly to France to beat anyone up. As I have stated they are acting short sightedly. I feel that I can better serve my country at this point by constantly reminding people like yourself to be more respectful of the country that you currently inhabit. And of course pointing out your liberal views.
I guess they aren’t totally in favor. Of course, it is a matter of politics to determine why. Be aware, I am not stating or implying agreement with their position as perhaps an ultra-liberal might. They, and they alone, no longer judge the US worthy of their hero worship. It might hurt to lose that, but don’t blame me just because I’m pointing out how childish it is to hate them because they no longer worship you.
I do blame you for this. I also blame you for the other anti-American sentiments you espouse on this board. Why is it always vroom who is pointing out where America went wrong? Why is it always vroom who takes the side of the left (yet still states he is not ultra liberal)? Why was it vroom who was attacking President Bush, yet had not a to many harsh words for John Kerry during the election? Why is it always vroom stating “don’t hate me because I am pointing out how I feel.” If a mass murderer claims he was just following his feelings is he not still guilty of murder?
Next thing you know you’ll be claiming I’m against motherhood and apple pie. I don’t know how, but if there is a way to misinterpret something you’ll find a way to do it.
Wrong again! I have never misrepresented you. You are an extreme liberal who would rather I not point it out. when I do point it out, you get a bit bent out of shape and claim I misrepresent you. It’s an ongoing sort of thing…
Based on the PM’s I get from Americans other than yourself, some people do appreciate my viewpoint and they can see the difference between analyzing or criticizing and hating. Discussing and considering issues is a vital step in deciding what course of action to take next. It is part of learning and growth. Nearly all viewpoints have something useful to add - if you can find it.
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Yes…and everytime you “analyze and critique” it is usually liberal and anti- American. When you add up the total of your posts, which are full of this sort of thing, it starts to look like hate.
By the way, every PM that I have gotten on the subject of vroom has stated that you are an ultra liberal who is finally being called on it…and you hate it. And you know what? They are right on!