I see it as a word game in like how many people try to argue against certain things being moral by trying to make you define morality when it should be common sense since we all have moral experiences. Its similar to how I find it hard to believe that people can say that a super bowl match is the same as like how the nut cracker ballet was first created.
I was though. I ran track and cross country. I was the 5th best cross country runner my school ever had at that point too. So I was pretty good at least for my schools division. That being said I have come to realize how meaningless athletic achievements are. The joy of running hard with my friends, and sitting around the track ācamp siteā talking with everyone while others were competing are very meaningful experiences that still stick with me. Winning races or beating others dont mean anything. Improving in my sport also was something great and is something that is really cool to experience how hard work can matter. But caring that I ran such a time and thinking that is matters is just silly to me now compared to how I used to think it mattered if I could run lower than some person or an arbitrary limit.
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I think there is a reason why people laugh at others for still putting importance on how their football team won state or not. It means nothing.
About all I can add is that The Nutcracker is a good remedy for insomnia. I feel asleep in the live theater will attending it in Detroit in the 1990ās.
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I feel like you are ignoring part one of the argument. Sports are great because you get to participate in them. But the focus on pro sports makes it to where there is this constant thinning out effect where people stop participating if they cant move to the next level until finally everyone just watches a few elite play basketball. Society has a focus that the pros sports are more ārealā than a neighborhood pick up game.
So basically art is a meaningless word to you. I s read meaningless since we cant properly say where red starts and ends on the color spectrum? Just because I cant define what red is, its ridiculous to say it does not exist.
Im not making a comparison of one being superior to another but that they are different things.
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They are not meaningless if they teach perseverance, confidence and seeing something through to the end. Even personal athletic achievements require hard work and often sacrifice to get. These are lessons that should be learned by all.
Yeah, thatās not what he said at all. Art, much like beauty, is subjective and gains meaning only from the person viewing it.
If I cannot define what red is, does that mean red is meaningless or that I cannot say something is red? It should be common sense that we can understand that art and sport are different things. Just like how a musician writing a song is not the same as someone someone coming up with a new type of operating systems for computers.
I suppose if I were the last person picked for all āsandlotā games, I too would condemn the value of sports. Especially professional sports. Those guys would never see me as a person of any value.
We had a kid in my neighborhood who had not a single athletic bone in his body. When we played pickup baseball in the street, he was the last one picked and whoever got him put him way down the street with a garbage can lid to stop the ball should it come his way.
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So I agree with you there but that is achieved better through individual improvement. Not through being 1st in your division. I saw many people start out in cross country being terrible and out of shape but then two years later of training they are totally different. They are not winning races but the personal improvement is dramatic. And that to me is more meaningful than focusing on beating others. This can also be seen by personal experience later in life. Imagine the person who goes on about how his team worked really hard and won state in high school, compared to the guy who talks about how he worked really hard and how he was able to see dramatic improvement. One certainly is more cringe than the other.
In high school I was the best in my school at my sport. This attack on my argument thinking I was terrible at sports is not only an ad hominin, but incorrect. And if your story is true, that was terrible for that kid.
Egad man, youāre right. This happened to me with math and science. I use both daily and now, thanks to you, I understand what a tremendous failure this makes me as I sit here and marvel at the technological achievements of my betters in this arena.
Thatās why we need to ban professional math and science.
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I feel like you are speaking of arts quality. But are you saying that there is no categorical difference between poets, novelists, composers, and then athletes? That doesnt seem right. I can clearly see a different category for athletes.
Nope, not speaking to quality at all. I am speaking to oneās subjective experience when viewing āartā. Some see a painting as an elegant design and a thing of pure beauty, others see the same in a well designed football play or a perfectly pitched baseball game (there is an art to these things too). You mentioned writing software. Some consider that an art. If you have ever tried to write software itās easy to see the elegance in a well designed program.
I see. Asking someone to define the words that theyāre using is not generally considered a word game. If you actually believe what youāre saying (which I question), it might be worth thinking about why its so hard for you to actually explain the reasoning behind your arguments without relying on vague notions that āshould be common senseā.
So why are pro sports bad again? It can give great role models, a desire to achieve and simply provide entertainment (its main purpose).
You are contradicting your own argument.
And how do you know that he isnāt a thriving capitalist making money hand over fist and hiring those ātalentedā athletes for minimum wage jobs?
