The Flame-Free Confession Thread

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[quote]Bauber wrote:

[quote]jskrabac wrote:

[quote]buckeye girl wrote:

[quote]atypical1 wrote:

[quote]buckeye girl wrote:
Can’t there be one single fucking place on this site where a female competitor’s physique can be discussed with the same seriousness that the men are?

What a fucking joke. [/quote]

This is Testosterone Nation. I would expect there to be this type of discussion. Wouldn’t you? Nothing wrong with guys thinking a girl is hot.

james
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I would expect the discussion to continue along the lines of my original post which was making a statement about a professional physique competitor especially when I made it clear that I was not posting the picture so that a bunch of dudes could comment on whether or not she could get the business. I thought this thread was supposed to be a place where you could post something without having to deal with the usual T-Nation bullshit.

Such a response it expected in GAL or the now defunct SAMA. I would never go into the Antoine V thread talking about how I would ride that fine piece of ass all night. My bad for expecting the same when I post a female pro. [/quote]

Sadly I notice the same thing at my gym, which is full of both male and female competitors. Gals put in just as much effort as the guys to make it on stage in peak condition and still get complimented on “dat ass” from the guys who compete.

Women often seem so surprised when I compliment them on their physique and follow it up with something like, “I sure wish I could get my rear delts to pop like yours!”

The irony is, I believe a woman is more prone to want to go with the guy who genuinely compliments her in a way that respects her hard work than the typical “I wanna bone you.” It kinda invalidates everything they’ve worked for, especially when they’ll turn around and say the same thing to some girl who doesn’t even train, just cuz she has an ass and tits. [/quote]

To me the hard work and dedication that I know it takes to achieve that level of physique is what is truly attractive.[/quote]

Hell yes! Totally agree. If only my GF could start lifting… Pushing her just seems to have not work, so I’ll just hope.

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[quote]jeanmich wrote:

[quote]Bauber wrote:

[quote]jskrabac wrote:

[quote]buckeye girl wrote:

[quote]atypical1 wrote:

[quote]buckeye girl wrote:
Can’t there be one single fucking place on this site where a female competitor’s physique can be discussed with the same seriousness that the men are?

What a fucking joke. [/quote]

This is Testosterone Nation. I would expect there to be this type of discussion. Wouldn’t you? Nothing wrong with guys thinking a girl is hot.

james
[/quote]

I would expect the discussion to continue along the lines of my original post which was making a statement about a professional physique competitor especially when I made it clear that I was not posting the picture so that a bunch of dudes could comment on whether or not she could get the business. I thought this thread was supposed to be a place where you could post something without having to deal with the usual T-Nation bullshit.

Such a response it expected in GAL or the now defunct SAMA. I would never go into the Antoine V thread talking about how I would ride that fine piece of ass all night. My bad for expecting the same when I post a female pro. [/quote]

Sadly I notice the same thing at my gym, which is full of both male and female competitors. Gals put in just as much effort as the guys to make it on stage in peak condition and still get complimented on “dat ass” from the guys who compete.

Women often seem so surprised when I compliment them on their physique and follow it up with something like, “I sure wish I could get my rear delts to pop like yours!”

The irony is, I believe a woman is more prone to want to go with the guy who genuinely compliments her in a way that respects her hard work than the typical “I wanna bone you.” It kinda invalidates everything they’ve worked for, especially when they’ll turn around and say the same thing to some girl who doesn’t even train, just cuz she has an ass and tits. [/quote]

To me the hard work and dedication that I know it takes to achieve that level of physique is what is truly attractive.[/quote]

Hell yes! Totally agree. If only my GF could start lifting… Pushing her just seems to have not work, so I’ll just hope.[/quote]

Pushing a woman to do something? That is like pushing a rope brother.

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[quote]Bauber wrote:

[quote]jeanmich wrote:

[quote]Bauber wrote:

[quote]jskrabac wrote:

[quote]buckeye girl wrote:

[quote]atypical1 wrote:

[quote]buckeye girl wrote:
Can’t there be one single fucking place on this site where a female competitor’s physique can be discussed with the same seriousness that the men are?

What a fucking joke. [/quote]

This is Testosterone Nation. I would expect there to be this type of discussion. Wouldn’t you? Nothing wrong with guys thinking a girl is hot.

james
[/quote]

I would expect the discussion to continue along the lines of my original post which was making a statement about a professional physique competitor especially when I made it clear that I was not posting the picture so that a bunch of dudes could comment on whether or not she could get the business. I thought this thread was supposed to be a place where you could post something without having to deal with the usual T-Nation bullshit.

Such a response it expected in GAL or the now defunct SAMA. I would never go into the Antoine V thread talking about how I would ride that fine piece of ass all night. My bad for expecting the same when I post a female pro. [/quote]

Sadly I notice the same thing at my gym, which is full of both male and female competitors. Gals put in just as much effort as the guys to make it on stage in peak condition and still get complimented on “dat ass” from the guys who compete.

Women often seem so surprised when I compliment them on their physique and follow it up with something like, “I sure wish I could get my rear delts to pop like yours!”

The irony is, I believe a woman is more prone to want to go with the guy who genuinely compliments her in a way that respects her hard work than the typical “I wanna bone you.” It kinda invalidates everything they’ve worked for, especially when they’ll turn around and say the same thing to some girl who doesn’t even train, just cuz she has an ass and tits. [/quote]

To me the hard work and dedication that I know it takes to achieve that level of physique is what is truly attractive.[/quote]

Hell yes! Totally agree. If only my GF could start lifting… Pushing her just seems to have not work, so I’ll just hope.[/quote]

Pushing a woman to do something? That is like pushing a rope brother.[/quote]
Indeed

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Oh well. Hit my head on a wall many times, now just letting it be. She’s still very sexy :slight_smile:

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[quote]buckeye girl wrote:

[quote]atypical1 wrote:

[quote]buckeye girl wrote:
Can’t there be one single fucking place on this site where a female competitor’s physique can be discussed with the same seriousness that the men are?

What a fucking joke. [/quote]

This is Testosterone Nation. I would expect there to be this type of discussion. Wouldn’t you? Nothing wrong with guys thinking a girl is hot.

james
[/quote]

I would expect the discussion to continue along the lines of my original post which was making a statement about a professional physique competitor especially when I made it clear that I was not posting the picture so that a bunch of dudes could comment on whether or not she could get the business. I thought this thread was supposed to be a place where you could post something without having to deal with the usual T-Nation bullshit.

Such a response it expected in GAL or the now defunct SAMA. I would never go into the Antoine V thread talking about how I would ride that fine piece of ass all night. My bad for expecting the same when I post a female pro. [/quote]

I don’t know, but I’d venture a guess that with the current state of the Bodybuilding subforum, you’d have gotten a far more serious discussion there.

I’ve seen a number of places where posting a male physique in a prominently female forum (or female area of a forum) gets pretty similar results. I’m not saying it’s right, just saying that maybe this wasn’t the right place for it. I mean, I know when my girlfriend saw zraw’s original competition thread, she thought some of his photos were pretty hot… even though that wasn’t the point of the thread.

On topic though, I’m a little surprised she’s developed her delts like that, since her arms seem significantly underdeveloped on a relative basis. It seems unbalanced to me.

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[quote]Bauber wrote:

[quote]buckeye girl wrote:

[quote]atypical1 wrote:

[quote]buckeye girl wrote:
Can’t there be one single fucking place on this site where a female competitor’s physique can be discussed with the same seriousness that the men are?

What a fucking joke. [/quote]

This is Testosterone Nation. I would expect there to be this type of discussion. Wouldn’t you? Nothing wrong with guys thinking a girl is hot.

james
[/quote]

I would expect the discussion to continue along the lines of my original post which was making a statement about a professional physique competitor especially when I made it clear that I was not posting the picture so that a bunch of dudes could comment on whether or not she could get the business. I thought this thread was supposed to be a place where you could post something without having to deal with the usual T-Nation bullshit.

Such a response it expected in GAL or the now defunct SAMA. I would never go into the Antoine V thread talking about how I would ride that fine piece of ass all night. My bad for expecting the same when I post a female pro. [/quote]

What do you want us to say? She eats right, works hard, got implants? Has a pretty face? She has a nice build for what she competes in and does well, but does not strike me as something insanely impressive. I see girls around various gyms in my area with as much muscle tone and size as her. The same can’t be said for pro male bodybuilders.

Again nothing against her she looks awesome and you can tell she works hard.[/quote]

Uhh…that’s Juliana Malacarne. She’s undefeated as an IFBB pro since the women’s physique division was created, is the considered by the vast majority of people who follow the sport to be the eventual first WPD Ms. Olympia later this year, and absolutely CRUSHED her competition at the New York Pro show several weeks ago. No one even came close to matching her combination of size, proportions, femininity, and leanness on the PROFESSIONAL stage. Manion came out and said that she was the first competitor to totally nail the look that the women’s physique division was meant to encourage.

Sorry, don’t think you know what you’re talking about or looking at if you “see girls with similar muscularity and tone at your gym all the time.” Yeah buddy, and I’ve got 2 or 3 Arnold’s training at my place on a daily basis.

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[quote]LoRez wrote:
On topic though, I’m a little surprised she’s developed her delts like that, since her arms seem significantly underdeveloped on a relative basis. It seems unbalanced to me.[/quote]

Can’t say her arms ever struck me as underdeveloped or out of proportion. Her delts definitely are ridiculous, but I’ve never really heard of a competitor having “too much delt”. It seems delts are to female competitors what bis are to curlbros.

Maybe its that particular photo? Or maybe what is considered ideal proportions for male BBer vs. a female physique competitor is a bit different? I know sometimes I forget to take off my WPD glasses when I look at the guys and laugh at how bad their posing is.

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[quote]buckeye girl wrote:

[quote]LoRez wrote:
On topic though, I’m a little surprised she’s developed her delts like that, since her arms seem significantly underdeveloped on a relative basis. It seems unbalanced to me.[/quote]

Can’t say her arms ever struck me as underdeveloped or out of proportion. Her delts definitely are ridiculous, but I’ve never really heard of a competitor having “too much delt”. It seems delts are to female competitors what bis are to curlbros.

Maybe its that particular photo? Or maybe what is considered ideal proportions for male BBer vs. a female physique competitor is a bit different? I know sometimes I forget to take off my WPD glasses when I look at the guys and laugh at how bad their posing is.[/quote]

It’s probably just the varying standards. I don’t really have a grasp over the differences between the various women’s classes at all. I’m still trying to get my head around how men’s physique judging works. You know of a good primer on the various women’s classes and judging criteria?

From what I can tell, it’s changed a lot. BSL now seems to be the new place for the flame threads, but also has a high level of camaraderie that BB never had (with a bit more GAL thrown in than BB ever had). And BB now seems to be fairly serious discussion of pros, as well as competition prep threads, and a couple “I want to actually be a competitive bodybuilder eventually, what do I do”.

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Well page 20 is better than I expected I guess.

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[quote]Stronghold wrote:

[quote]Bauber wrote:

[quote]buckeye girl wrote:

[quote]atypical1 wrote:

[quote]buckeye girl wrote:
Can’t there be one single fucking place on this site where a female competitor’s physique can be discussed with the same seriousness that the men are?

What a fucking joke. [/quote]

This is Testosterone Nation. I would expect there to be this type of discussion. Wouldn’t you? Nothing wrong with guys thinking a girl is hot.

james
[/quote]

I would expect the discussion to continue along the lines of my original post which was making a statement about a professional physique competitor especially when I made it clear that I was not posting the picture so that a bunch of dudes could comment on whether or not she could get the business. I thought this thread was supposed to be a place where you could post something without having to deal with the usual T-Nation bullshit.

Such a response it expected in GAL or the now defunct SAMA. I would never go into the Antoine V thread talking about how I would ride that fine piece of ass all night. My bad for expecting the same when I post a female pro. [/quote]

What do you want us to say? She eats right, works hard, got implants? Has a pretty face? She has a nice build for what she competes in and does well, but does not strike me as something insanely impressive. I see girls around various gyms in my area with as much muscle tone and size as her. The same can’t be said for pro male bodybuilders.

Again nothing against her she looks awesome and you can tell she works hard.[/quote]

Uhh…that’s Juliana Malacarne. She’s undefeated as an IFBB pro since the women’s physique division was created, is the considered by the vast majority of people who follow the sport to be the eventual first WPD Ms. Olympia later this year, and absolutely CRUSHED her competition at the New York Pro show several weeks ago. No one even came close to matching her combination of size, proportions, femininity, and leanness on the PROFESSIONAL stage. Manion came out and said that she was the first competitor to totally nail the look that the women’s physique division was meant to encourage.

Sorry, don’t think you know what you’re talking about or looking at if you “see girls with similar muscularity and tone at your gym all the time.” Yeah buddy, and I’ve got 2 or 3 Arnold’s training at my place on a daily basis.[/quote]

There are 2 IFBB pros and a national competitor in my area. 2 are pros in bodybuilding. While I consider Juliana’s physique much more appealing aesthetically and in just about every way; it is no way impressive compared to the aforementioned women.

No offense, but there are far more women close or with similar musculature as her than than there are of say Phil Heath, Jay Cutler, Kai, etc.

And since the women’s physique was created oh all of a couple years ago? Give me a break. Many judges still are not sure what they are exactly looking for in that arena. She has just been picked as the poster child it seems(although a good one imo! Like I said she looks fantastic). Come back in 10 years when there are actually more results. That being said I am glad women’s physique is there. It is more broadly appealing and will bring a lot more to the sport in general.

And I never said all the time, but I do see them. Just because they don’t compete and hold titles doesn’t mean they don’t exist. Nice logic there.

Must be nice having Arnolds training at your gym all the time. All I see at mine are people that look like you.

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Boom! Well said Bauber. You’re a real asset to these forums, I’ve enjoyed following your training log and you seem like a genuinely good guy; not acting superior or condescending, but here you weren’t afraid to back up your opinions

[quote]Bauber wrote:

[quote]Stronghold wrote:

[quote]Bauber wrote:

[quote]buckeye girl wrote:

[quote]atypical1 wrote:

[quote]buckeye girl wrote:
Can’t there be one single fucking place on this site where a female competitor’s physique can be discussed with the same seriousness that the men are?

What a fucking joke. [/quote]

This is Testosterone Nation. I would expect there to be this type of discussion. Wouldn’t you? Nothing wrong with guys thinking a girl is hot.

james
[/quote]

I would expect the discussion to continue along the lines of my original post which was making a statement about a professional physique competitor especially when I made it clear that I was not posting the picture so that a bunch of dudes could comment on whether or not she could get the business. I thought this thread was supposed to be a place where you could post something without having to deal with the usual T-Nation bullshit.

Such a response it expected in GAL or the now defunct SAMA. I would never go into the Antoine V thread talking about how I would ride that fine piece of ass all night. My bad for expecting the same when I post a female pro. [/quote]

What do you want us to say? She eats right, works hard, got implants? Has a pretty face? She has a nice build for what she competes in and does well, but does not strike me as something insanely impressive. I see girls around various gyms in my area with as much muscle tone and size as her. The same can’t be said for pro male bodybuilders.

Again nothing against her she looks awesome and you can tell she works hard.[/quote]

Uhh…that’s Juliana Malacarne. She’s undefeated as an IFBB pro since the women’s physique division was created, is the considered by the vast majority of people who follow the sport to be the eventual first WPD Ms. Olympia later this year, and absolutely CRUSHED her competition at the New York Pro show several weeks ago. No one even came close to matching her combination of size, proportions, femininity, and leanness on the PROFESSIONAL stage. Manion came out and said that she was the first competitor to totally nail the look that the women’s physique division was meant to encourage.

Sorry, don’t think you know what you’re talking about or looking at if you “see girls with similar muscularity and tone at your gym all the time.” Yeah buddy, and I’ve got 2 or 3 Arnold’s training at my place on a daily basis.[/quote]

There are 2 IFBB pros and a national competitor in my area. 2 are pros in bodybuilding. While I consider Juliana’s physique much more appealing aesthetically and in just about every way; it is no way impressive compared to the aforementioned women.

No offense, but there are far more women close or with similar musculature as her than than there are of say Phil Heath, Jay Cutler, Kai, etc.

And since the women’s physique was created oh all of a couple years ago? Give me a break. Many judges still are not sure what they are exactly looking for in that arena. She has just been picked as the poster child it seems(although a good one imo! Like I said she looks fantastic). Come back in 10 years when there are actually more results. That being said I am glad women’s physique is there. It is more broadly appealing and will bring a lot more to the sport in general.

And I never said all the time, but I do see them. Just because they don’t compete and hold titles doesn’t mean they don’t exist. Nice logic there.

Must be nice having Arnolds training at your gym all the time. All I see at mine are people that look like you.
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Can we get back to flame free?

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[quote]jskrabac wrote:
Can we get back to flame free?

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Can the interwebs ever be flame free?

[quote]pwolves17 wrote:
Boom! Well said Bauber. You’re a real asset to these forums, I’ve enjoyed following your training log and you seem like a genuinely good guy; not acting superior or condescending, but here you weren’t afraid to back up your opinions

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Thank you. I try my best, but dickish responses deserve dickish retorts. =D.

And no reason to act condescending or superior because frankly I am not. Just a normal guy who happens to like lifting heavy weights and eating lots of food.

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[quote]jskrabac wrote:
Can we get back to flame free?

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Sorry Jake, I’ll try to get the ball rolling.

I personally disagree with people who say that direct ab work is not necessary; that heavy squats and deadlifts provide sufficient stimulation, and/or that nutrition is all that matters for bringing out the abdominals. While for some this may lead to good ab development, I think they’re missing out on their true potential for abs. I was sorely disappointed with my ab development when I competed in my first men’s physique comp last fall.

Granted, I was severely lacking size overall, but my abs simply weren’t there, as I had largely neglected them until my prep. The last 6 or 7 months since the show, I’ve made great strides overall but I’ve been sure to hit abs hard at least 3 days a week while I am in a caloric surplus. I’m very happy with the results so far! My abs are now visible despite not being overly lean, and I’m optimistic that they’ll “pop” a lot more when I next compete.

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[quote]pwolves17 wrote:

[quote]jskrabac wrote:
Can we get back to flame free?

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Sorry Jake, I’ll try to get the ball rolling.

I personally disagree with people who say that direct ab work is not necessary; that heavy squats and deadlifts provide sufficient stimulation, and/or that nutrition is all that matters for bringing out the abdominals. While for some this may lead to good ab development, I think they’re missing out on their true potential for abs. I was sorely disappointed with my ab development when I competed in my first men’s physique comp last fall.

Granted, I was severely lacking size overall, but my abs simply weren’t there, as I had largely neglected them until my prep. The last 6 or 7 months since the show, I’ve made great strides overall but I’ve been sure to hit abs hard at least 3 days a week while I am in a caloric surplus. I’m very happy with the results so far! My abs are now visible despite not being overly lean, and I’m optimistic that they’ll “pop” a lot more when I next compete. [/quote]

What did you do for them then?

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[quote]LoRez wrote:

[quote]pwolves17 wrote:

[quote]jskrabac wrote:
Can we get back to flame free?

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Sorry Jake, I’ll try to get the ball rolling.

I personally disagree with people who say that direct ab work is not necessary; that heavy squats and deadlifts provide sufficient stimulation, and/or that nutrition is all that matters for bringing out the abdominals. While for some this may lead to good ab development, I think they’re missing out on their true potential for abs. I was sorely disappointed with my ab development when I competed in my first men’s physique comp last fall. Granted, I was severely lacking size overall, but my abs simply weren’t there, as I had largely neglected them until my prep. The last 6 or 7 months since the show, I’ve made great strides overall but I’ve been sure to hit abs hard at least 3 days a week while I am in a caloric surplus. I’m very happy with the results so far! My abs are now visible despite not being overly lean, and I’m optimistic that they’ll “pop” a lot more when I next compete. [/quote]

What did you do for them then?[/quote]

Do you mean what did I do for them in the past, or now? Before I got lean enough to see how non existent my abs were, I did one or two half assed ab circuts a week. I really hate doing abs at the end of a workout, so what I’ve been doing is using an ab exercise as “active rest” between sets for whatever muscle(s) I’m training that particular day. So for example, I’ll do a set of rows, then knock out a set of cable crunches, hanging leg raises, or weighted decline situps.

Those are the three exercises I’ve mainly used for abs. By the end of my workout, I’ve usually done 4 or 5 sets of each of those ab exercises. I don’t even realize I’m training abs, and it definitely keeps my heartrate elevated while still allowing the muscle I’m training to recuperate between sets.

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[quote]Bauber wrote:

[quote]jskrabac wrote:
Can we get back to flame free?

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Can the interwebs ever be flame free?

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Well this thread pretty much was up until last few pages. I guess I’m an optimist =)

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[quote]pwolves17 wrote:

[quote]jskrabac wrote:
Can we get back to flame free?

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Sorry Jake, I’ll try to get the ball rolling.

I personally disagree with people who say that direct ab work is not necessary; that heavy squats and deadlifts provide sufficient stimulation, and/or that nutrition is all that matters for bringing out the abdominals. While for some this may lead to good ab development, I think they’re missing out on their true potential for abs. I was sorely disappointed with my ab development when I competed in my first men’s physique comp last fall. Granted, I was severely lacking size overall, but my abs simply weren’t there, as I had largely neglected them until my prep. The last 6 or 7 months since the show, I’ve made great strides overall but I’ve been sure to hit abs hard at least 3 days a week while I am in a caloric surplus. I’m very happy with the results so far! My abs are now visible despite not being overly lean, and I’m optimistic that they’ll “pop” a lot more when I next compete. [/quote]

Do you buy into the whole philosophy of ceasing ab training if you have a large waist, so as to not “bulk” it up? I actually did this for my recent show just to come in with a smaller waist a la the recommendations of some old time natty pros at my gym.

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Another idea to add to the thread.

I think the notion of rest times between sets is VASTLY understated in the realm of bodybuilding training.

I believe its damned near impossible to get terribly soft or fat if you really clench down on rest intervals. For one it gets that heart rate up and is more metabolic and all that jazz, but also its kind of a great way to self-moderate. If you keep up with the short rest times you’re not gonna ever be “out of shape” and hence THAT fat.

So alot of guys look at piling on the “cardio” when really a few subtle tweaks in their current training plan might be sufficient. Plus the added benefit of kicking ass and getting out of the gym sooner.

It boggles my mind that often the same people promoting strictly counting and adhering to macros based on your body’s precise goals and needs are also the same ones who will turn around and say “don’t worry about rest time, listen to your body.” If I “listened to my body” I’d eat 1000g carb/day and just do like 3 explosive triples on trap bar deadlifts with like 5 min rest on leg day…lol.

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[quote]pwolves17 wrote:

[quote]jskrabac wrote:
Can we get back to flame free?

<[/quote]

Sorry Jake, I’ll try to get the ball rolling.

I personally disagree with people who say that direct ab work is not necessary; that heavy squats and deadlifts provide sufficient stimulation, and/or that nutrition is all that matters for bringing out the abdominals. While for some this may lead to good ab development, I think they’re missing out on their true potential for abs. I was sorely disappointed with my ab development when I competed in my first men’s physique comp last fall.

Granted, I was severely lacking size overall, but my abs simply weren’t there, as I had largely neglected them until my prep. The last 6 or 7 months since the show, I’ve made great strides overall but I’ve been sure to hit abs hard at least 3 days a week while I am in a caloric surplus. I’m very happy with the results so far! My abs are now visible despite not being overly lean, and I’m optimistic that they’ll “pop” a lot more when I next compete. [/quote]

You are describing my current situation perfectly haha