[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]The Mighty Stu wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
It means there are people turning their noses up at other lifters because they think they are too big to tell them anything.[/quote]
I’m pretty sure that’s the last thing it means, that you shouldn’t listen to someone because they’re “too big.”
S[/quote]
Damn…I guess you were wrong about that one, huh?[/quote]
Interesting leap of logic to think that one person is wrong based on an other persons opinion.
[quote]The Mighty Stu wrote:
I’m pretty sure that’s the last thing it means, that you shouldn’t listen to someone because they’re “too big.”
S[/quote]
Agreed
[quote]The Mighty Stu wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
No offense, Stu, but you just had a guy admit he chooses who NOT to listen to based on size alone and “potential” steroid use.[/quote]
Which, while only one individual, is perfectly alright and nothing worth a flogging in my book. There are plenty of other very reputable sources out there who not only have achieved amazing results, but have proven to be unassisted.
If that’s what someone needs to look up to another, then so what? To be honest, having been around many of the competitors I have been over the years (assisted and non), I like to think I’ve got a good eye for at least judging what’s probably an enhanced physique. Yes, I will always acknowledge the potential of a rare genetic freak. Of course I’m certainly rationale enough to understand that I can’t base all of my internet arguments on every single dude throwing videos online being that unique outlier.
[quote]If you want to believe top naturals in the sport also do that to everyone they see in the gym, so be it.
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I will. You see unlike when you and I look at IFBB pros, read everything about them in the magazines, even chat and train with NPC competitors (as you’re fond of mentioning) at our respective gyms (I’ve actually trained and prepped a few, along with some professional athletes who have to be honest with me about any PED usage in addition to their definite superior genetics), I’m personal friends with a hell of a lot of the top natty pros, and they all seem to have a very different outlook on matters than you seem to think.
(See my ‘grain of salt’ reference earlier)
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I don’t believe it at all and will wait for them to speak for themselves and say that.[/quote]
And yet all of them seem to be on every other bodybuilding board but this one,… this sole site where you choose to stay, safely away from interacting with any pro competitors, coaches, ‘gurus’… anyone who might call you on any skewed perceptions you may be clinging to.
Yeah well, friends are like that 
S[/quote]
So you actually train and help these pros…they are your friends.
While others here, just have videos from “big folks”.
Imma gonna go ahead and give you the benefit of the doubt on this one.
[quote]UtahLama wrote:
Imma gonna go ahead and give you the benefit of the doubt on this one.[/quote]
Stu IS a pro.
[quote]BrickHead wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]SkyzykS wrote:
No. I’m talking about an intuitive sense of who fits with who, in that most people know (whether they know or not) the difference between a natural build, a somewhat assisted build, and someone who doesn’t want too much blood in their drugstream.
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So you use this to judge who you will and won’t listen to? You judge how big they are and then decide to listen to them based on potential steroid use?
No offense, guy…but it just doesn’t seem like guys who think like this ever have much to worry about looking like they use steroids themselves.
This seems to be the mindset of those who don’t really plan on building much.[/quote]
X, speaking totally serious here. Don’t you think that with all this talk for years–on how OTHERS are not stepping up to the plate, not stacking up, not trying hard, not being huge or very strong, or are inferior to you or others in some way–that you should finally step up to the plate and enter a show in which you will be judged against other men who cut the mustard?
You know, finally, be stacked up against other jacked dudes, people of your own kind, the kind that is really trying hard, who are heavily dedicated. It would be an experience in which you are only surrounded by these people and won’t have the burden of being around people you have to carry on your back with the burden of helping them out and seeing the light. Or perhaps you could tell them they aren’t trying hard enough and seeing how it pans out, or help them with their next show, not just the sort of less consequential e-coaching on these boards.
What do you think?[/quote]
He can’t because he has a job.
LOL
I wonder what CT Fletcher would think of PX’s 50,000 posts of whining and arguing.
[quote]super saiyan wrote:
I wonder what CT Fletcher would think of PX’s 50,000 posts of whining and arguing.
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Why would X care what CT Fletcher thinks?
[quote]Testy1 wrote:
[quote]super saiyan wrote:
I wonder what CT Fletcher would think of PX’s 50,000 posts of whining and arguing.
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Why would X care what CT Fletcher thinks?
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Good question. It’s not like he’s some underdeveloped white dude on the internet.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]SkyzykS wrote:
More specifically, it seems that to take the stance which you have is to say that drugs are not a factor at all. Listen to the drug assisted lifter and do what he says because he’s big![/quote]
Actually, my stance is look at the people who have reached your goal and even passed it in order to get there yourself.
You are the one making drug use the deciding factor here.
I just don’t think that way. I saw progress fairly quickly after I first hit the gym. Perhaps I didn’t give myself enough time stagnating to build the same level of hate towards people using steroids.
No one is saying drugs are not a factor at all. I am saying they are damn sure not THE factor as to why you don’t get “oohs and aaaahs” when you walk outside in a tank top. Your parents had way more to do with that.
[quote]That is ridiculous. I and several people I’ve lifted with have done what are essentially power lifting templates designed for a typical drug assisted lifter, but here’s the catch- None of us were using.
Guess how that turned out?[/quote]
Don’t know…because GENETICS has the most to do with it.
My guess is the guys with the best genetics for it are who would progress the most. You don’t come across as one of those people…which is OK.[/quote]
So you require overwhelming physical evidence that someone is using gear but can just throw out that a big person has great genetics and demand it to be accepted.
Are you fucking serious?
[quote]Pj92x wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]SkyzykS wrote:
More specifically, it seems that to take the stance which you have is to say that drugs are not a factor at all. Listen to the drug assisted lifter and do what he says because he’s big![/quote]
Actually, my stance is look at the people who have reached your goal and even passed it in order to get there yourself.
You are the one making drug use the deciding factor here.
I just don’t think that way. I saw progress fairly quickly after I first hit the gym. Perhaps I didn’t give myself enough time stagnating to build the same level of hate towards people using steroids.
No one is saying drugs are not a factor at all. I am saying they are damn sure not THE factor as to why you don’t get “oohs and aaaahs” when you walk outside in a tank top. Your parents had way more to do with that.
[quote]That is ridiculous. I and several people I’ve lifted with have done what are essentially power lifting templates designed for a typical drug assisted lifter, but here’s the catch- None of us were using.
Guess how that turned out?[/quote]
Don’t know…because GENETICS has the most to do with it.
My guess is the guys with the best genetics for it are who would progress the most. You don’t come across as one of those people…which is OK.[/quote]
So you require overwhelming physical evidence that someone is using gear but can just throw out that a big person has great genetics and demand it to be accepted.
Are you fucking serious?[/quote]
He is 100% serious.
Fwiw- That little experiment quoted above went straight down the line of age. The guy ahead of me dropping first, me and another guy tied until I dislocated my spine and he dropped it just for feeling like compete shit, next younger (about 6 years my junior) hung in there for another month and the final guy- a 20 year old state ranked power lifter- finished out pretty well. A reoccurring groin injury held him up a little but he remained ranked and competitive.
I thought that was pretty interesting.
As for goals- Since we used free weights I don’t know if it is a fair comparison, but 2 of those guys move way more weight on a bad day than X does on his best.
Not hatin, just sayin!
[quote]The Mighty Stu wrote:
I’m personal friends with a hell of a lot of the top natty pros, and they all seem to have a very different outlook on matters than you seem to think.
(See my ‘grain of salt’ reference earlier)
S[/quote]
Then let them speak for themselves.
You should be taking everyone’s advice with a grain of salt. I am not sure what epiphany you thought would be gained from that pearl.
No one said follow every word that someone huge says.
It HAS been said that people here avoid listening to certain lifters based ONLY on size and perceived steroid use.
It has been said that this is a foolish way to see things because it ignores the perception of thousands of lifters who have good advice and severely limits the newbie lifter.
Please explain in detail why you seem to think all of these people you know would disagree with me on that.
I am sure you will avoid responding directly to that to focus on the most mundane aspect of the post possible.
[quote]Pj92x wrote:
So you require overwhelming physical evidence that someone is using gear but can just throw out that a big person has great genetics and demand it to be accepted.
Are you fucking serious?[/quote]
UH, what?
If someone got really big, then yes, they have good genetics for building muscle.
What is it you misunderstand? Steroid use or not that is generally accepted.
People with poor genetics for muscle building DON’T GET THAT BIG.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]Pj92x wrote:
So you require overwhelming physical evidence that someone is using gear but can just throw out that a big person has great genetics and demand it to be accepted.
Are you fucking serious?[/quote]
UH, what?
If someone got really big, then yes, they have good genetics for building muscle.
What is it you misunderstand? Steroid use or not that is generally accepted.
People with poor genetics for muscle building DON’T GET THAT BIG.[/quote]
Thats the lie you promote so you can say you never took roods.
super skinny ectomorphs like zyzz went from incredibly skinny fucks to 200+ pound absolutely shredded by using tonnes of gear. Gear overcomes your shitty genetics.
Also before you say zyzz is not big. If you were 6 percent body fat you would not be that big.
INB4 i am jelly.
[quote]Pj92x wrote:
super skinny ectomorphs like zyzz went from incredibly skinny fucks to 200+ pound absolutely shredded by using tonnes of gear. Gear overcomes your shitty genetics.[/quote]
Quite a few people have gone from super skinny to 200lbs or more without using steroids. How did you arrive at the conclusion that he wouldn’t have been able to on his own given more time to train?
Further, what does this have to do with what I stated above?
No one gets really big muscles without good genetics.
I don’t care how great you think Zyzz looks.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]Pj92x wrote:
super skinny ectomorphs like zyzz went from incredibly skinny fucks to 200+ pound absolutely shredded by using tonnes of gear. Gear overcomes your shitty genetics.[/quote]
Quite a few people have gone from super skinny to 200lbs or more without using steroids. How did you arrive at the conclusion that he wouldn’t have been able to on his own given more time to train?
Further, what does this have to do with what I stated above?
No one gets really big muscles without good genetics.
I don’t care how great you think Zyzz looks. [/quote]
Sigh, you keep changing the goal posts. You said you can not get big without genetics. 210 pounds at 6 percent body fat is fucking big. Infact earlier in the thread you said that my personal anecdote of skinny guys getting on steroids and getting to 200 plus pounds and you poo pood it and said skinny guys don’t get big fast just because they take steroids if their genetics suck. Now its 210 pounds at 6 percent body fat is not big.
If you cut to 6 percent body fat would you be 210 pounds?
[quote]Pj92x wrote:
If you cut to 6 percent body fat would you be 210 pounds?[/quote]
This question has been posed here about eleventy billion times over the years, don’t expect an answer.
[quote]Pj92x wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]Pj92x wrote:
super skinny ectomorphs like zyzz went from incredibly skinny fucks to 200+ pound absolutely shredded by using tonnes of gear. Gear overcomes your shitty genetics.[/quote]
Quite a few people have gone from super skinny to 200lbs or more without using steroids. How did you arrive at the conclusion that he wouldn’t have been able to on his own given more time to train?
Further, what does this have to do with what I stated above?
No one gets really big muscles without good genetics.
I don’t care how great you think Zyzz looks. [/quote]
Sigh, you keep changing the goal posts. You said you can not get big without genetics. 210 pounds at 6 percent body fat is fucking big. Infact earlier in the thread you said that my personal anecdote of skinny guys getting on steroids and getting to 200 plus pounds and you poo pood it and said skinny guys don’t get big fast just because they take steroids if their genetics suck. Now its 210 pounds at 6 percent body fat is not big.
If you cut to 6 percent body fat would you be 210 pounds?[/quote]
You seem extremely concerned about me. My avatar pic is current. I weigh over 265lbs. This has nothing to do with me but I am doing just fine since you keep wondering.
Once again, Zyzz did not reach some inhuman size so to think he wouldn’t have gotten where he did without drugs over more time is ridiculous.
Once again, you don’t get really big muscles without the genetics for it. Zyzz was by no means that damn huge.
This is 100% false
X, would you care to share shirtless photos taken by SOMEONE ELSE as well as videos of you lifting? You’ve taken liberties in judging many of us, in terms of our effort, size, and strength. Can we do the same for you?
[quote]mbdix wrote:
This is 100% false[/quote]
Wow. If you want to believe otherwise, fine.
But there is no one on a pro stage with poor genetics for building muscle. There is no one with gigantic muscles without good genetics for building muscle.
Maybe if you count synthol, that would be the one way around it. Otherwise, let the madness stop now.
Amazed someone would actually argue against that.
