Also, SirenSongWoman, as one of the formerly fat, as you say you are, you should be trumpeting a call to arms for these people, telling them to get off their asses, & do something about it. Tearing the obese down on an internet forum is all fun & games. It is anonymous, & I doubt the obese frequent this site often enough to actually read this nonsense. In fact, I posit that shrinking from the issue, and/or accepting it is more harmful than poking fun.
[quote]SirenSongWoman wrote:
As one of the formerly fat I’d like to tackle this one.
Cruelty comes from fear. All of society has a vested interest in having a handy group (or groups) of people to pummel because as long as Those Guys are the freaks and we don’t look or act like Them we’re safe.
By forcing everyone to focus on fat people (or gay people, or green people… whatever) we cautiously steer attention away from us and all our weird little faults and deflect all the negativity onto The Freaks. They’re our scapegoats. And if you surround yourself with nothing but people doing the same thing you reinforce your own sense of righteousness in what your doing. Except that tearing others down to build yourself up is mean, wrong, and cowardly. COWARDLY.
Do you have a mother who’s loved you and been good to you all your life? A wonderful woman who’s never hurt another living soul? A mother who’s fat? How are you going to feel when an obnoxious bunch of terrified, self-loathing punks at the mall decide to make this woman you love a target? They don’t even KNOW her. People are not their uniforms.
If you get off on negatively objectifying people you may fool your buds and they may think you’re cool but look outside your circle and you’ll see hardly nobody else is fooled. Cowardice is tough to hide. At my absolute fattest I felt bad for all those judgmental, cliquish busybody people; ruled into submission by their peers. At my absolute fattest, nobody controlled me - and I feared nothing.
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False, false, false. “Cruelty” does not always come from fear.
I am a Star Wars nerd. Not just one that likes the movies and shit… I read all of the books and web comics. One of the “overboard” Star Wars nerds.
I have a big nose. It’s from all of the Italian people in my family who have big noses also.
I have big ears. I also have short hair, which advertises these stupid ears to the world.
There is nothing overly significant about me. I’m not super awesome.
Disliking fat is not a way to hide these things, because I’m willing to put them out in the open. Disliking fat isn’t always so much disliking the actual physical state of being fat, as it is being annoyed by the kind of person that it takes to be obese. The state of being fat is the effect of a string of mental inferiorities (laziness, lack of determination, a hopeless attitude, etc.).
[quote]Vash wrote:
SirenSongWoman wrote:
But if they aren’t bothering you why do you care? Really?
Why do we care? These people are energetic enough to fight for “size-advancement, size-acceptance, size-appropriate health care,” but are not energetic enough to EAT LESS.
They [and I DO mean that in the Us-Versus-Them mentality] are becoming more “active” in influencing health-related LAW to get rid of those “yucky supplements” with “unhealthy levels of protein and steroids.”
These fat-and-DAMNPROUD fuckers are looking to turn a lack of will-power and urge to consume mass quantities into a fucking ethnic group.
There is something seriously fucking wrong with that.[/quote]
I don’t know any fat people fighting for anything but to be left the heck alone by people who seem to have incredible trouble minding their own business. Man, I could care less what anyone else does. Fat, fit, skinny, gay, straight, black, white… a person’s business is their own. Whenever people carry on about someone who’s not bothering them, for me, it’s like freakin’ being at work, where grown men and women watch everything and run snitching to Management on their co-workers. Every day, I wonder how such people seem to have so much free time when I’m busting my behind. The disease of busybodiness is more of an epidemic these days than obesity ever was or will be. And it’s a hell of a lot more annoying.
SSW, what really pisses me off, is the idea that these obese people feel that they are victims. As if there is no escape from what ails them. And what I find inspiring is when I see a guy who is paralyzed workout harder than me. Because he is HUNGRY.
This is not an illess that has no cure. These people KNOW that their lifestyle along with their habits contribute to their condition. And when one of these people loses weight, they think it is some miracle, an act of God. No, it’s changing bad habits into good habits with lead you toward a specific goal.
I think people often underestimate what they are capable of, and it is SO easy to blame everything else in the world for their failures. Some things are not within your control, but when you eat with a shovel and not a spoon or fork, that is simply not the case. Their obesity is not due to a lack of information, unless you live under a rock, everyone knows to eat wholesome natural food and exercise regularly.
I used to work with geriatric patients, and I noticed that their level of overall discipline in their lives was much greater than people in my generation. Men and women who were TOUGH, both mentally and physically. Rarely did I see someone who was very large, it was more the exception than the rule. I remember one guy who was a Marine vet who had a knee replacement, who forced himself to walk the day after his surgery, because THAT was his new war. He declared war on his ailments, I actually had to try to restrain him from walking too much.
People handle adversity differently, because their personal belief system is such that they don’t make themselves out to be a victim or helpless.
[quote]MaximusB wrote:
SSW, what really pisses me off, is the idea that these obese people feel that they are victims. As if there is no escape from what ails them. And what I find inspiring is when I see a guy who is paralyzed workout harder than me. Because he is HUNGRY.
This is not an illess that has no cure. These people KNOW that their lifestyle along with their habits contribute to their condition. And when one of these people loses weight, they think it is some miracle, an act of God. No, it’s changing bad habits into good habits with lead you toward a specific goal.
I think people often underestimate what they are capable of, and it is SO easy to blame everything else in the world for their failures. Some things are not within your control, but when you eat with a shovel and not a spoon or fork, that is simply not the case. Their obesity is not due to a lack of information, unless you live under a rock, everyone knows to eat wholesome natural food and exercise regularly.
I used to work with geriatric patients, and I noticed that their level of overall discipline in their lives was much greater than people in my generation. Men and women who were TOUGH, both mentally and physically. Rarely did I see someone who was very large, it was more the exception than the rule. I remember one guy who was a Marine vet who had a knee replacement, who forced himself to walk the day after his surgery, because THAT was his new war. He declared war on his ailments, I actually had to try to restrain him from walking too much.
People handle adversity differently, because their personal belief system is such that they don’t make themselves out to be a victim or helpless.
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People come up to me all the time and ask how I did it and, yea, usually the eager hopeful smile fades when I tell them about my dietary one-eighty and devotion to weight training. But I have never witnessed anyone saying “I’m fat but it’s not my fault…” They know what they need to do, which is why the heavy around me don’t ask me any further questions, until they’re ready. And when they are I’m here with all the help I can offer. Until then, I keep it on the DL.
BTW, I like you Max. But this is one of those things where having actual experience makes all the difference.
[quote]SirenSongWoman wrote:
Vash wrote:
SirenSongWoman wrote:
But if they aren’t bothering you why do you care? Really?
Why do we care? These people are energetic enough to fight for “size-advancement, size-acceptance, size-appropriate health care,” but are not energetic enough to EAT LESS.
They [and I DO mean that in the Us-Versus-Them mentality] are becoming more “active” in influencing health-related LAW to get rid of those “yucky supplements” with “unhealthy levels of protein and steroids.”
These fat-and-DAMNPROUD fuckers are looking to turn a lack of will-power and urge to consume mass quantities into a fucking ethnic group.
There is something seriously fucking wrong with that.
I don’t know any fat people fighting for anything but to be left the heck alone by people who seem to have incredible trouble minding their own business. Man, I could care less what anyone else does. Fat, fit, skinny, gay, straight, black, white… a person’s business is their own. Whenever people carry on about someone who’s not bothering them, for me, it’s like freakin’ being at work, where grown men and women watch everything and run snitching to Management on their co-workers. Every day, I wonder how such people seem to have so much free time when I’m busting my behind. The disease of busybodiness is more of an epidemic these days than obesity ever was or will be. And it’s a hell of a lot more annoying.[/quote]
I’m with her, What you do is your own business as long as it doesn’t effect others, and I’m not gonna lie to me fat jokes are funny, and I got into trouble with this cuz my younger brother while not real obese or anything had about 25 lbs extra weight and while i was just playing with him and joking it hurt his confidence and self esteem. I did’nt think it was a big deal, but it hurt him and certaintly was’nt helping him.So I switched my approach to be more positive, so me and him just started working out together for basketball season coming up and and he’s more determined than ever. Giving 100 percent in the weight room and on his diet, have you ever tried to keep a eight grade kid on just water and clean foods? Well he’s doing it, and I’m very proud of him and this is just the first 2 weeks.
Nobody should hate anybody just cause their different.
not accusing any of you, just giving my two cents on the whole “I hate fat people” thread
I belive you don’t understand how their fatness affects us all.
“as long as it doesn’t effect others” im pretty sure it does. From here in the UK at least, there was a case of a girl trying to claim Ã?£20,000 of tax payers money, through the national health service, to stay in a fat camp for which her original scholarship had run out.
Im sorry but im not forking out my hard earned cash to shrink fat people when they could just do it themselves. However by the looks of the Op’s article it seems that people at that level of obesity seem to be trying to out some magic awnser they think the doctors havent been telling them :S dont lecture me about eating habbits?
i see people avoiding the main fucking issue because either they know that they eat shit and are lazy and hence cba to hear the truth and just blame their problem on bad advice. Im sure alot of T-Nationers have tales of the bulge that they’ve encountered that have indeed effected them in sooome way. So that is why we really do… hate fat people.
Edit, just a thought. If fat people can sue Macdonalds for “making them Fat” you rekon some of the bigger members could sue their gym/ supplement company for making them muscley? just a thought
To all you Fatty sympathizers out there…
Three words…
Pizza
Roll
Challenge
EDIT:
This one too LT's Challenge: 24 ounce Smirnoff - YouTube
[quote]Champ1989 wrote:
To all you Fatty sympathizers out there…
Three words…
Pizza
Roll
Challenge
EDIT:
This one too LT's Challenge: 24 ounce Smirnoff - YouTube
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He’s dead by 35.
To those saying that it doesn’t affect others- yeah, not yet at least. Someone else just mentioned it, but the high possibility of tax payers having to fork out money because someone doesn’t want to stop forcing ranch covered pizza down their throat is reason enough to be a little bit pissed.
And, Siren, I hear excuses all of the time. Maybe it’s just because I’m younger, and my generation is full of more pieces of shit than yours is. There’s an entire book of them, right down to the “dieting doesn’t work” lie, and the “I don’t want to lift weights because all of this fat will turn into really gross muscle.”
There was a thread posted a while ago making fun of some Wii game. I agree, it’s pretty dumb, but I’d rather see some fat kid pummelling away at an active video game rather than just doing nothing and staying fat.
my day isnt complete until ive verbally abused a fat person and kicked a hobo.
[quote]matko5 wrote:
Champ1989 wrote:
To all you Fatty sympathizers out there…
Three words…
Pizza
Roll
Challenge
EDIT:
This one too LT's Challenge: 24 ounce Smirnoff - YouTube
He’s dead by 35.[/quote]
HAHAHAHA i hadnt seen the smirnoff chug one. ragheahgeahga hope you like it. WIN!!!
When the level of someone’s weight reaches the point where they seek to force company’s to conform to their standards, at the cost of the company’s wallet (and everyone else paying for those tickets) it becomes EVERYONE’s problem. It costs money in health care, and time, etc. Being morbidly obese HAS an impact on those around you.
“The airlines need to be making bigger seats,” said Peggy Howell, a spokeswoman for the National Association to Advance Fat Acceptance, a group based in San Francisco, California. “It’s not safe to be cramming us into two seats.”
Yes, so the airline is the one to foot that bill, and pass the excess onto other customer’s, who don’t quite require the “two seats”. This is by no means the end all be all of examples, but it is AN example of the MANY ways in which people pushing to create new categories of acceptance causes the many to bend over backwards for the few.
NOTE: I don’t think people are funny who find themselves in such a state, and do not go out of my way to make fun of them, but i will not remain ignorant to the facts on how it can influence the lives of others. Let’s please be honest at the least.
[quote]SirenSongWoman wrote:
As one of the formerly fat I’d like to tackle this one.
Cruelty comes from fear. All of society has a vested interest in having a handy group (or groups) of people to pummel because as long as Those Guys are the freaks and we don’t look or act like Them we’re safe.
By forcing everyone to focus on fat people (or gay people, or green people… whatever) we cautiously steer attention away from us and all our weird little faults and deflect all the negativity onto The Freaks. They’re our scapegoats. And if you surround yourself with nothing but people doing the same thing you reinforce your own sense of righteousness in what your doing. Except that tearing others down to build yourself up is mean, wrong, and cowardly. COWARDLY.
Do you have a mother who’s loved you and been good to you all your life? A wonderful woman who’s never hurt another living soul? A mother who’s fat? How are you going to feel when an obnoxious bunch of terrified, self-loathing punks at the mall decide to make this woman you love a target? They don’t even KNOW her. People are not their uniforms.
If you get off on negatively objectifying people you may fool your buds and they may think you’re cool but look outside your circle and you’ll see hardly nobody else is fooled. Cowardice is tough to hide. At my absolute fattest I felt bad for all those judgmental, cliquish busybody people; ruled into submission by their peers. At my absolute fattest, nobody controlled me - and I feared nothing.
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You are 110% right! I’m tolerant of just about anyone that gets picked on for bullshit reasons. I was bullied as a kid and fought back. Do they think that these people choose to be morbidly obese? I see it as these people probably could help themselves a little more but have a hard time getting a start or think they might be past help. If they can find a little solace in getting support and advice from others just to cope on a day to day basis, good for them.
BG
[quote]beachguy498 wrote:
Do they think that these people choose to be morbidly obese?
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Gee…YES, some of them DO choose to be morbidly obese.
Go educate yourself. You don’t get to be morbidly obese by accident unless there is some serious disease process occurring.
There is an entire subculture that TRIES to get even fatter with some having the specific goal of becoming so fat that they can live off of disability checks for the rest of their life.
In fact, please show me the person that got be over 400lbs BY ACCIDENT.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
beachguy498 wrote:
Do they think that these people choose to be morbidly obese?
Gee…YES, some of them DO choose to be morbidly obese.
Go educate yourself. You don’t get to be morbidly obese by accident unless there is some serious disease process occurring.
There is an entire subculture that TRIES to get even fatter with some having the specific goal of becoming so fat that they can live off of disability checks for the rest of their life.
In fact, please show me the person that got be over 400lbs BY ACCIDENT.[/quote]
so, what?
you just don’t respond to messages I send? or read them? not cool man, not cool
[quote]matko5 wrote:
Champ1989 wrote:
To all you Fatty sympathizers out there…
Three words…
Pizza
Roll
Challenge
EDIT:
This one too LT's Challenge: 24 ounce Smirnoff - YouTube
He’s dead by 35.[/quote]
hearing him eating them pizza rolls was just painful.i got the shivers.that fat bastard.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
beachguy498 wrote:
Do they think that these people choose to be morbidly obese?
Gee…YES, some of them DO choose to be morbidly obese.
Go educate yourself. You don’t get to be morbidly obese by accident unless there is some serious disease process occurring.
There is an entire subculture that TRIES to get even fatter with some having the specific goal of becoming so fat that they can live off of disability checks for the rest of their life.
In fact, please show me the person that got be over 400lbs BY ACCIDENT.[/quote]
X, how did you find a website like that?haha
[quote]SirenSongWoman wrote:
MaximusB wrote:
SSW, what really pisses me off, is the idea that these obese people feel that they are victims. As if there is no escape from what ails them. And what I find inspiring is when I see a guy who is paralyzed workout harder than me. Because he is HUNGRY.
This is not an illess that has no cure. These people KNOW that their lifestyle along with their habits contribute to their condition. And when one of these people loses weight, they think it is some miracle, an act of God. No, it’s changing bad habits into good habits with lead you toward a specific goal.
I think people often underestimate what they are capable of, and it is SO easy to blame everything else in the world for their failures. Some things are not within your control, but when you eat with a shovel and not a spoon or fork, that is simply not the case. Their obesity is not due to a lack of information, unless you live under a rock, everyone knows to eat wholesome natural food and exercise regularly.
I used to work with geriatric patients, and I noticed that their level of overall discipline in their lives was much greater than people in my generation. Men and women who were TOUGH, both mentally and physically. Rarely did I see someone who was very large, it was more the exception than the rule. I remember one guy who was a Marine vet who had a knee replacement, who forced himself to walk the day after his surgery, because THAT was his new war. He declared war on his ailments, I actually had to try to restrain him from walking too much.
People handle adversity differently, because their personal belief system is such that they don’t make themselves out to be a victim or helpless.
People come up to me all the time and ask how I did it and, yea, usually the eager hopeful smile fades when I tell them about my dietary one-eighty and devotion to weight training. But I have never witnessed anyone saying “I’m fat but it’s not my fault…” They know what they need to do, which is why the heavy around me don’t ask me any further questions, until they’re ready. And when they are I’m here with all the help I can offer. Until then, I keep it on the DL.
BTW, I like you Max. But this is one of those things where having actual experience makes all the difference.[/quote]
I have no idea as to why you would think that I don’t have experience with something like this or similar to this.