[quote]orion wrote:
pittbulll wrote:
orion wrote:
pittbulll wrote:
dhickey wrote:
pittbulll wrote:
I feel it is our Government�??s job to protect the workers of America
Not in the constitution and a terrible idea. They’ve tried and caused more damage than good.
just as it the Governments job to protect American Businesses from unfair competitors.
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Not in the constitution and a terrible idea. Has caused much more damage than good.
That is why we have trade agreements with different counties. That is why we would sanction China for helping a certain industry that America allows to operate with no help.
These have been extremly harmfull to our overall quality of life.
The gov’t has no business telling it’s citizens what they buy and who they can buy it from. Like wise, it has no business telling it’s citizens what they can sell thier labor for.
You may have point in time of war with relation to countries we are at war with. Or sanctions for behavior that may be harmfull for the US.
The other question you have to ask yourself is at what cost?
I appreciate the Libertarian point of view, I have voted that way for the last 3 presidential elections. The problem is every body is electing the likes of George Bush, and John McCain, that is like most of the posters on this thread. They despise the poor, and want to enrich the rich.
I would even think that our Immigration problem would be covered by the constitution; it is an invasion of sorts. That would be in the scope of the constitution
Now let´s imagine you could stop immigration.
The real problem is not that people want to come to America but that money that seeks cheap labor meets labor that seeks money that can employ it.
If you stop immigration, the labor will not come to the money, but the money will still go to the labor, which is more convenient anyway.
So, now what?
Will you outlaw investing abroad for American companies?
Business in America has outsourced everything that is profitable to do. There are services that would be impossible to out source that is why flooding the labor market with cheap labor appeals to Corporate America.
True, but think about the implications.
The jobs those Mexicans do are only profitable at their wages-
You think those wages are too low.
What would happen if those Mexicans disappeared?
Would the farmers pay higher wages, accept a loss with every person they hire, or would they just close down?
If they cannot outsource, they can still go broke because they cannot compete with cheap oranges from Guatemala.
Meaning, if the Mexicans won´t luck it for 4$ an hour, nobody will at 5$ an hour.
It would simply mean that it would be more profitable to do the same business abroad.
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The problem is they are not just picking oranges; they are working construction, a business I earn my living at. Being a Contactor I have to maintain Insurance I have to Pay Federal Tax, State Tax I have to pay Sales Tax.
They do not have to pay any of them, what kind of advantage do they have? If they were smart they would not cut my throat, but they do. One in ten customers will pay more to have a reputable contractor do the work.
That is just my industry, The reason place like Circle K and Seven Eleven and the likes can get away paying $8-$9 per hr is the labor market has so many unskilled Immigrants they are fighting over the jobs .
If we were minus the immigrants they would have to pay $11-$12 pr hour would not cut into their profit all that much and the employee could afford to live in the community they work in.
I am not anti Immigration; I am just against an unfair labor market